The Flash |OT| Gotta Go Fast - Tuesdays 8/7c

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Rafy

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Goddamn, nearly 1,000 posts since I was here a few hours before the episode aired! No way I'm catching up there.

Finale definitely deserves an "A" but dammit Eddie you should've just made an appointment for a vasectomy! Hell, Caitlin was there, she could've probably done it! It looks like though with Eddie killing himself they're going the paradox anyway. Things have pretty much been forced to change now.

OMG, how did I not think of the vasectomy!!! Damn, that makes his decisionlook so stupid. All he had to do is shoot his dick off
 

J4g3r

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Had to make this :D

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Red Hood

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Sweet Lord this is what a season finale should be about, without a doubt the best episode of the season alongside Out of Time (ep. 15). But that cliffhanger thooooo :(

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Face looks very CGI, like, maybe season 2 is taking place in an animated setting, lol.
 

Dryk

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I really don't understand how the PROS come anywhere close to the CONS.
Kind of ruined the episode for me.
If a lifetime of time travel stories have taught me anything it's that once you establish that you only retain memories of the original timeline it's almost never worth changing something that far back. Barry would've restored his childhood but he wouldn't remember any of it, he wouldn't be qualified for whatever other job he had in that timeline, he wouldn't know any of his friends, or even where he lived etc. It's pointless.

Similarly risking destroying the city with a black hole is an easy risk to take when the entire point of the experiment is changing it so that the wormhole never happened.

Made for good drama though.
 
Saw this form the IGN Review

Theoretically, Eddie caused some sort of paradox by killing himself, which caused a chain reaction where Eobard Thawne was never born and Nora Allen was never murdered and the Flash was never born and now the timestream is trying to correct itself. That leaves a giant question mark for the status quo of Season 2. What happens to Barry now? What kind of world will emerge from this disaster? Will Eddie or the real Harrison Wells still have a part to play? There are many burning questions now, and they’ll make the wait for the new season that much harder to bear.


Holy shit how will they deal with this massive paradox?

Eddie killing himself has way bigger implications than we would have had if Barry actually saved his mom

Fucking changes everything
 
No way that Eddie is gone. They wouldn't have shown him being swallowed by the singularity if it wasn't important.
Why wouldn't he be swallowed up by it? It was to emphasize his sacrifice IMO. Having him pop up okay kinda would defeat the purpose of the whole plot point.

His death makes the current timeline impossible and now it's collapsing upon itself. I'm not sure that can be stopped, even if Barry gets there in time. I imagine S2 will start with Barry waking up in a new continuity. Also, time travel be crazy.
 
Why wouldn't he be swallowed up by it? It was to emphasize his sacrifice IMO. Having him pop up okay kinda would defeat the purpose of the whole plot point.

His death makes the current timeline impossible and now it's collapsing upon itself. I'm not sure that can be stopped, even if Barry gets there in time. I imagine S2 will start with Barry waking up in a new continuity. Also, time travel be crazy.

Yeah he basically is gonna wake up in a whole new reality
 

Cynar

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I hope they bring back Eobard and Wells some way. Too good of characters just to let go. Eddie being gone I'd be fine with but if he became a villain I'd probably be a bit annoyed.
 

Wiktor

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Booster Gold is gonna show up to fix the timestream.

Rip Hunter will help to stabilize the timeline. I'm 99% sure of it. Since they will be setting LoT in early episodes of next season it just fits perfectly.

Also...if Barry and his friends won't stop fucking with timelines the second season of LoT should be about the team traveling through time and fixing Barry's fuck ups :D
 
I hope they bring back Eobard and Wells some way. Too good of characters just to let go. Eddie being gone I'd be fine with but if he became a villain I'd probably be a bit annoyed.
I think part of why they did this is so they could bring back the real Dr. Wells. It'll be strange but pretty cool at the same time.

Another question is how this will affect how The Flash and Arrow crossover. If a new reality does take the current one's place, all the relationships between Team Arrow and Team Flash will also be different, and what of the villains in Starling they fought together? It could be a pretty huge can of worms they've opened.
 

ZeroX03

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I think part of why they did this is so they could bring back the real Dr. Wells. It'll be strange but pretty cool at the same time.

Another question is how this will affect how The Flash and Arrow crossover. If a new reality does take the current one's place, all the relationships between Team Arrow and Team Flash will also be different, and what of the villains in Starling they fought together? It could be a pretty huge can of worms they've opened.

I doubt any timeline shifts will change any established character's relationships or memories. They aren't going to throw away a season's worth of work. Instead they'll likely use alternate timelines as Arrow uses flashbacks. And they'll probably be able to pull characters between timelines thanks to Rip Hunter or Cisco or Jay Garrick or whoever.

The S2 teaser, already posted ? Not so much new infos, but it's still something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8aRbzzDE4o

Alternate timelines and mirror realities baby!
 
"Goodbye Dad"

"Goodbye son."

Jesus.

I swear to god if you told me Grant Gustin and Jesse Martin were father and son IRL, I would believe you 100% no questions asked.
 
If a lifetime of time travel stories have taught me anything it's that once you establish that you only retain memories of the original timeline it's almost never worth changing something that far back. Barry would've restored his childhood but he wouldn't remember any of it, he wouldn't be qualified for whatever other job he had in that timeline, he wouldn't know any of his friends, or even where he lived etc. It's pointless.

Similarly risking destroying the city with a black hole is an easy risk to take when the entire point of the experiment is changing it so that the wormhole never happened.

Made for good drama though.
Although in the end of Flashpoint
Barry keeps the memories of both timelines
 
I doubt any timeline shifts will change any established character's relationships or memories. They aren't going to throw away a season's worth of work. Instead they'll likely use alternate timelines as Arrow uses flashbacks. And they'll probably be able to pull characters between timelines thanks to Rip Hunter or Cisco or Jay Garrick or whoever.
Maybe, but juggling multiple timelines on an ongoing basis seems like a lot of work. There has to be some consequences to the actions that unfolded in the finale, and not just "well, it's a different timeline". In that case what about the timeline with the tsunami? Is that gonna play a part?

I think they're going focus on one mainly, with some parts of others intersecting, as opposed to following multiple realities simultaneously. I could see them doing so far a bit possibly, but not as a standard for the entire show going forward.
 

ZeroX03

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Maybe, but juggling multiple timelines on an ongoing basis seems like a lot of work. There has to be some consequences to the actions that unfolded in the finale, and not just "well, it's a different timeline". In that case what about the timeline with the tsunami? Is that gonna play a part?

I think they're going focus on one mainly, with some parts of others intersecting, as opposed to following multiple realities all at the same time.

Arrow episodes are like 10% flashback, that's not a really a lot of multiple timelines to juggle. And Flash doesn't use flashbacks as much anyway. But they mentioned multiverse and they aren't going to throw away character relationships and development so what other route is there?

Prime (Flash & Arrow) with a secondary timeline that intersects occasionally (Jay & OG Wells & Eobard).

Seems you interpreted my post as meaning they'd split time equally between two timelines, that wasn't what I meant.
 

Dryk

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Although in the end of Flashpoint
Barry keeps the memories of both timelines
This Barry doesn't know that though, he only has his own time-travel experience to go on. I just thought it was a bit weird that he seemed to completely forget it at the beginning of the episode.
 

Mariolee

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So Barry's dad is a big fan of superhero comics and was thinking about Bruce Wayne and Peter Parker's origin stories when he was talking to Barry about the time travel option? And also recalling that one episode of Star Trek TNG, "Tapestry", where Q gave Picard the chance to go back and change his past and he did but turned out to be a lowly boring ensign?

Well then answer me this, how do you know Barry doean't turn out to be a piece of shit if he grew up with a normal family? How can you assure that if you were in Henry's position? There have been plenty of kids who resent their parents even if the parenta are genuinely nice people. Hell, we even saw a glimpse of Barry in prison. What if that was the alternate reality's future if he saved his mom? Get it now?
 
Arrow episodes are like 10% flashback, that's not a really a lot of multiple timelines to juggle. And Flash doesn't use flashbacks as much anyway. But they mentioned multiverse and they aren't going to throw away character relationships and development so what other route is there?

Prime (Flash & Arrow) with a secondary timeline that intersects occasionally (Jay & OG Wells & Eobard).

Seems you interpreted my post as meaning they'd split time equally between two timelines, that wasn't what I meant.
Eh, I don't think the timeline we have now is gonna stay the main timeline. That could also play a part in the Firestorm situation and Sara's role as the White Canary in Legends of Tomorrow, and why Snart is suddenly "okay" with playing the hero.

As I said before, with Eddie's death, the current timeline shouldn't even exist. Even if Barry runs really, really fast, how would that change things? Barry as he is now can't exist anymore, along with a plethora of other facts. If S2 starts with Barry fixing everything and nothing changes, then I feel like the entire storyline they've been setting up was kinda pointless. There has to be events/repercussions that Barry can't fix or the show is gonna become really stale.
 

ZeroX03

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Eh, I don't think the timeline we have now is gonna stay the main timeline. That could also play a part in the Firestorm situation and Sara's role as the White Canary in Legends of Tomorrow, and why Snart is suddenly "okay" with playing the hero.

As I said before, with Eddie's death, the current timeline shouldn't even exist. Even if Barry runs really, really fast, who would that change things? Barry as he is now can't exist anymore, along with a plethora of other facts. If S2 starts with Barry fixing everything and nothing changes, then I feel like the entire storyline they've been setting up was kinda pointless. There has to be events/repercussions that Barry can't fix or the show is gonna become really stale.

Have you read a lot of Flash? Captain Cold helps plenty. Primarily for his own selfish reasons, but there's plenty of examples of him being a morally compromised 'hero'. He doesn't like the world or his city being put in harm's way. He just wants the freedom to steal shit.

Basically they're not going to fuck with Arrow, which means their hands are tied with a whole bunch of things. Even if they go to a new reality it'll be a reality where everything in Arrow happened the same and the characters act the same. Not to mention you've got time traveling Rip Hunter flying around so the impact of time traveling is going to be greatly diminished. The payoff to the S1 story was Eobard's death and Barry's mother.

e: and if the Legends of Tomorrow preview is canon - not sure on that one yet, they may reshoot - then it's confirmed the Arrow team have the same relationship with Barry.
 
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