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[Dunlop]

In addition to this, Barry created a black hole and didn't even save his mother.

Pretty huge failday for old flash.

Assuming the black hole it's closed right away all of those people in the building that was sucked up are dead.

Flash has officially killed more people than Arrow lol

 

[CryptiK]

I think the singularity eating the city is the "undo" happening. The singularity re-opened after Eobard is "erased". That causes the paradox, which causes the Singularity.

I'm guessing Barry will run into the Singularity and come out in a different Parallel Universe.
The one he's leaving behind is basically toast, as it can't exist any more.

I'm also guessing that Season 2 will open with Barry waking up in a very different "place".
In Flashpoint he wakes up at his desk at the police station, right?

They've mentioned multiple parallel universes for Season 2. So it's possible Barry will fluctuate between two or more Parallel Universes.

What was that show where every time the main character went to sleep he switched Universes? One was red and one was orange or something?

Really makes me think season 2 is gonna be the beginning of a new timeline

Doubt the current one will exist unless they are gonna explore a post apocalyptic Central City setting

They can't just kill off that Universe. Thats where Arrow exists. So its not toast.

 

[The Technomancer]

Also, okay okay I know pseudoscience, can't take it seriously, whatever, you're telling me the speed the Flash has to get up to to travel through time is only Mach 2? That's it? 0.00002% of the speed of light?

 

[Xamtheking]

Also, okay okay I know pseudoscience, can't take it seriously, whatever, you're telling me the speed the Flash has to get up to to travel through time is only Mach 2? That's it? 0.00002% of the speed of light?

Well he got the assist from the proton, brah

 

[DrROBschiz]

They can't just kill off that Universe. Thats where Arrow exists. So its not toast.

Well

Think about how Arrow ended.... Wasnt it kind of weird and out of place to just have him ride of in the sunset like that?

Plus the writers already said there is gonna be a huge universe wide shift

Its gonna pave the way for everything going forward clearly

 

[ReiGun]

Well he got the assist from the proton, brah

Yeah I imagine if he were trying to do it on his own, he'd have to go a lot faster.

 

[V_Arnold]

Why was Eobard so scared when the old timey Flash helmet came through the portal? Was he scared that another Flash was going to come through?

It was the Doctor all along. He wanted to throw a Fez, those do not exist in this timeline. That is why he was scared.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Well

Think about how Arrow ended.... Wasnt it kind of weird and out of place to just have him ride of in the sunset like that?

Plus the writers already said there is gonna be a huge universe wide shift

Its gonna pave the way for everything going forward clearly

If they have the balls to kill off that entire universe that would be something else.

 

[the_firewithin]

They can't just kill off that Universe. Thats where Arrow exists. So its not toast.

if that is were current arrowverse takes place then it should be wiped / reset

 

[V_Arnold]

If it takes a universe reboot for Olicity to be defeated, so be it.

SO BE IT.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

If it takes a universe reboot for Olicity to be defeated, so be it.

SO BE IT.

I said this in the other thread, Olicity is the least of Arrow's problems.

 

[CryptiK]

Well

Think about how Arrow ended.... Wasnt it kind of weird and out of place to just have him ride of in the sunset like that?

Plus the writers already said there is gonna be a huge universe wide shift

Its gonna pave the way for everything going forward clearly

Wont happen. Would be way to hard to explain for the people who don't watch the Flash. If anything it will be resolved within the first two episode or will be season long and lead into Legends of Tomorrow.

if that is were current arrowverse takes place then it should be wiped / reset

I agree lol.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

for real, I think I squealed like a girl when I saw the helmet lol

Same here. I jumped in my seat a bit and my wife looked at me and asked what the helmet was.


And as long as we are talking alternate universe stuff, let's have a universe where The Barrowman gets speed force. Just to amplify his swagger.

 

[Wiktor]

Also, okay okay I know pseudoscience, can't take it seriously, whatever, you're telling me the speed the Flash has to get up to to travel through time is only Mach 2? That's it? 0.00002% of the speed of light?

I think the particle was traveling at light speed. He just crashed into it.

 

[Xamtheking]

Same here. I jumped in my seat a bit and my wife looked at me and asked what the helmet was.


And as long as we are talking alternate universe stuff, let's have a universe where The Barrowman gets speed force. Just to amplify his swagger.

HEYO CAPTAIN JACK

 

[DrROBschiz]

Also, okay okay I know pseudoscience, can't take it seriously, whatever, you're telling me the speed the Flash has to get up to to travel through time is only Mach 2? That's it? 0.00002% of the speed of light?

Back in the day it was 88 mph bro

 

[Anbokr]

As fun as the show can be to watch, it does become a bit of a chore when bizarre comic book logic takes over completely as in this episode. Someone with the kind of grief issues Barry apparently has where he still can't let go of a death after 15 yrs and would be willing to completely sacrifice a timeline for the sake of that person would be clinically committed in the real world, but somehow instead he finds a whole crew of co-dependent enablers who are basically cheering him on. The "dilemma" just feels a little too forced at times like this.

I think they justified it as Eobard screwed with what was actually supposed to happen, so Barry is just going to set things right. They all went against it too when finding out about the potential black hole, but then it was revealed, oh ok, we got 1min and 52 seconds to close the thing before the black hole--so no risk unless everyone at the control panel or what not suddenly dies. As for the singularity after Eddie dies, who the hell knew that was going to happen when Time got really fukt with?

 

[PhoncipleBone]

HEYO CAPTAIN JACK

Captain Jack with speed force would be hilarious. He would probably just run around town, screen thirty people or so, then come right back to the same room and people would have no idea he even left.

 

[Xamtheking]

Captain Jack with speed force would be hilarious. He would probably just run around town, screen thirty people or so, then come right back to the same room and people would have no idea he even left.

Doctor Who + Arrowverse crossover

Spoiler

BELIEVE IN THE HEART OF THE CARDS

 

[Grym]

As fun as the show can be to watch, it does become a bit of a chore when bizarre comic book logic takes over completely as in this episode. Someone with the kind of grief issues Barry apparently has where he still can't let go of a death after 15 yrs and would be willing to completely sacrifice a timeline for the sake of that person would be clinically committed in the real world, but somehow instead he finds a whole crew of co-dependent enablers who are basically cheering him on. The "dilemma" just feels a little too forced at times like this.

I dunno. I know quite a few people IRL who have lost parents at a young age who I think would probably literally do anything in their power to have a few more moments with them for closure. Losing a parent (especially in childhood) can fuck you up and lead to a lot of regrets and what ifs that last a very long time.

The enablers on the other hand...yeah you have a point there. I don't see their motivations other than for Joe (wants to support his son in anything he wants/needs) and Henry (is unwavering in pride for what his son has become and wants nothing to screw with that)

 

[HeisenbergLannister]

I cried. I laughed. I gasped. I yelled "motherfucker!" at the cliffhanger.

Well done, Flash.

Now please hurry back.

 

[morningbus]

I hope some of you take as much personal accountability as you're shifting on to Barry.

"Yes officer, I know I wasn't involved in the accident in any way, but I was 3 cars up and hit my brakes pretty hard so clearly I am responsible for this person's death."

 

[exmachina64]

I dunno. I know quite a few people IRL who have lost parents at a young age who I think would probably literally do anything in their power to have a few more moments with them for closure. Losing a parent (especially in childhood) can fuck you up and lead to a lot of regrets and what ifs that last a very long time.

The enablers on the other hand...yeah you have a point there. I don't see their motivations other than for Joe (wants to support his son in anything he wants/needs) and Henry (is unwavering in pride for what his son has become and wants nothing to screw with that)

Something about the sentence, "Joe wants to support his son in rewriting reality," makes me laugh.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

From Mark Waid's twitter feed. "Auditioning for Season 2."

I wonder how old these pics are.

 

[Grym]

Something about the sentence, "Joe wants to support his son in rewriting reality," makes me laugh.

Maybe. As a father though, I would be willing to go pretty damn far in doing my best to meet the emotional needs of my children even at my own expense. But no time travel or alternate reality or multiverses have a bearing on that in my real life so I can't say how far that would actually go in such a scenario...

 

[Dunlop]

I hope some of you take as much personal accountability as you're shifting on to Barry.

"Yes officer, I know I wasn't involved in the accident in any way, but I was 3 cars up and hit my brakes pretty hard so clearly I am responsible for this person's death."

?

I like the the possibilities that will open for the show but he 100% caused this for selfish reasons. Risked the world (literally) to bring his family back.

Unless the vortex is some kind of reboot, Barry is responsible for many deaths

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

From Mark Waid's twitter feed. "Auditioning for Season 2."

I wonder how old these pics are.

Wonder if they'll go for an older Jay Garrick or someone Barry's age.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Wonder if they'll go for an older Jay Garrick or someone Barry's age.

They should go older.

 

[Grym]

?

I like the the possibilities that will open for the show but he 100% caused this for selfish reasons. Risked the world (literally) to bring his family back.

Unless the vortex is some kind of reboot, Berry is responsible for many deaths

Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong but Barry wasn't actually responsible though, right? He chose not to change the past (thanks to future Barry); he didn't save his mother. Eddie - through killing himself - is the one who created the paradox and therefore vortex and therefore the deaths...no?

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong but Barry wasn't actually responsible though, right? He chose not to change the past (thanks to future Barry); he didn't save his mother. Eddie - through killing himself - is the one who created the paradox and therefore vortex and therefore the deaths...no?

And Eddie wouldn't have killed himself if Reverse Flash didn't need to be stopped. And if Barry didn't piss off RF in the future, then RF would never be stuck there causing the mess in the first place. So it is Barry's fault no matter what. He needs to be punished for his crimes.

Spoiler

I am joking of course, but you know someone is going to use that logic.

 

[Dunlop]

Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong but Barry wasn't actually responsible though, right? He chose not to change the past (thanks to future Barry); he didn't save his mother. Eddie - through killing himself - is the one who created the paradox and therefore vortex and therefore the deaths...no?

Yes but letting Wells out initiated the whole thing
...Lol I need to go rewatch the end

 

[WrenchNinja]

And Eddie wouldn't have killed himself if Reverse Flash didn't need to be stopped. And if Barry didn't piss off RF in the future, then RF would never be stuck there causing the mess in the first place. So it is Barry's fault no matter what. He needs to be punished for his crimes.

Spoiler

I am joking of course, but you know someone is going to use that logic.

Well you really nailed Zoom logic

 

[ReiGun]

I dunno. I know quite a few people IRL who have lost parents at a young age who I think would probably literally do anything in their power to have a few more moments with them for closure. Losing a parent (especially in childhood) can fuck you up and lead to a lot of regrets and what ifs that last a very long time.

The enablers on the other hand...yeah you have a point there. I don't see their motivations other than for Joe (wants to support his son in anything he wants/needs) and Henry (is unwavering in pride for what his son has become and wants nothing to screw with that)

Their motivations were pretty clear I thought. Cisco didn't want to do it, but went along because he cared about Barry. Stein was in it for the science of it all. Caitlin and Ronnie, who themselves were just reunited through rather strange circumstances, probably understood where Barry was coming from. Plus, Caitlin, being a doctor, is always going to put saving lives first. And Iris just told Barry to be selfish for once and do whatever made him happiest.

 

[Toki767]

So I guess if Barry ends up in another timeline, it'll be the timeline where Thawne doesn't go back in time meaning Wells is still alive, Oliver doesn't hang up the Arrow hood, and Superman is in that timeline to set up the Supergirl show being in the same universe?

 

[Grym]

And Eddie wouldn't have killed himself if Reverse Flash didn't need to be stopped. And if Barry didn't piss off RF in the future, then RF would never be stuck there causing the mess in the first place. So it is Barry's fault no matter what. He needs to be punished for his crimes.

Spoiler

I am joking of course, but you know someone is going to use that logic.

Right. That's kinda what I was expecting

And if Henry Allen hadn't decided to bang Nora Allen, Barry would have never been able to piss off RF hah how far down the causality chain do we go before we place the blame?

 

[Freewheelin']

Incredible end to a great first season

 

[FaustsBoon]

Here's a question... Why did Wells/Thawne look horrified at seeing Jay Garrick's helmet?

For one, it implies that they have met, or he knows of him, but beyond that isn't Garrick significantly less of a super-powered threat than Barry? Its been a while, but isn't Garrick similar to how the JSA's "Green Lantern" Alan Scott is not remotely on the same power level as Hal, et al?

My personal fanboy fantasy is that the helmet actually is a nod to Kingdom Come Wally who is essentially at God-mode speeds at all times.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Well, you could blame RF for how things ended. If he never told Eddie about his future, Eddie never would have considered suicide, nor would he know he was RFs ancestor. He might figure it out based on name, but not as explicitly spelled out as RF made it.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Here's a question... Why did Wells/Thawne look horrified at seeing Jay Garrick's helmet?

For one, it implies that they have met, or he knows of him, but beyond that isn't Garrick significantly less of a super-powered threat than Barry? Its been a while, but isn't Garrick similar to how the JSA's "Green Lantern" Alan Scott is not remotely on the same power level as Hal, et al?

My personal fanboy fantasy is that the helmet actually is a nod to Kingdom Come Wally who is essentially at God-mode speeds at all times.

Alan Scott is way more powerful than Hal Jordan

Garrick is the slowest Flash.

 

[ReiGun]

New universe = new rules. This Garrick could be just as powerful as Barry, or at least, more powerful than Eobard.

I also like the idea that it's KC Flash, who would demolish Eobard in the time it takes you to blink.

 

[GulAtiCa]

One thing I'm unclear of, why in the world would they ever agree to let the RF go?

 

[morningbus]

Here's a question... Why did Wells/Thawne look horrified at seeing Jay Garrick's helmet?

For one, it implies that they have met, or he knows of him, but beyond that isn't Garrick significantly less of a super-powered threat than Barry? Its been a while, but isn't Garrick similar to how the JSA's "Green Lantern" Alan Scott is not remotely on the same power level as Hal, et al?

My personal fanboy fantasy is that the helmet actually is a nod to Kingdom Come Wally who is essentially at God-mode speeds at all times.

I wouldn't really call the look on his face "horrified."

Maybe more like, "Uh, I'd rather not deal with that shit."

 

[PhoncipleBone]

One thing I'm unclear of, why in the world would they ever agree to let the RF go?

Get's him out of their hair. They don't have to worry about him anymore if he isn't in their time. At least that is what they were probably thinking.

 

[Dunlop]

Get's him out of their hair. They don't have to worry about him anymore if he isn't in their time. At least that is what they were probably thinking.

He was locked in a cell without his power source.

Letting him go could easily lead to revenge 2.0

 

[GulAtiCa]

He was locked in a cell without his power source.

Letting him go could easily lead to revenge 2.0

Yeah seriously. they already had him locked up. Sending him to the future where there is so much tech, so much possibilities to get back his powers for good is such a dumb idea.

Oh well, fun episode. Luckily that problem solved itself. Though since comic and all, you just know he will be back.

 

[Nafai1123]

Did anyone manage to catch the flashes of the future when Barry was channeling the Speedforce? At least it seemed like some of the scenes were from the future.

 

[GulAtiCa]

Did anyone manage to catch the flashes of the future when Barry was channeling the Speedforce? At least it seemed like some of the scenes were from the future.

Yep, http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164553879&postcount=18775

 

[PhoncipleBone]

He was locked in a cell without his power source.

Letting him go could easily lead to revenge 2.0

They were probably just stuck on the issue of what happened with the other rogues getting out.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Guys, I think we all needed to take a step back and just stand in awe of the fact that this was just the first season of Flash. ANY other show this would have been like a S3 finale but Flash crew just don't seem to give a fuck and just throws awesome shit at us constantly.

 

[Entryhazard]

They can't just kill off that Universe. Thats where Arrow exists. So its not toast.

Not having some changes and reverting to status quo after 2-3 episodes would be fucking stupid though.

They can totally change the timeline with the significant variations pertaining Central City leaving Starling largely unaltered (for example you can have the real Wells on board and it will just be a disappearing file in the SCPD records)