What about Bat-Mite?
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What about Bat-Mite?
Jorok Goldblade
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Xamtheking
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They should make commentary about Batman vs. Superman in Season 2
I mean they can't have him in a jail cell for like 3 seasons.
If he wasn't dead, then Wells wouldn't have vaporized. That said he can always be resurrected.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I do think Wells' need for a time machine should be explored a bit more. If Barry successfully saved his Mom and stopped the original Reverse Flash, wouldn't Wells fade out of existence just the same?
I think that he fully expected Barry to go back in time and get killed by a Younger Reverse Flash, which would still strand Wells in that time period, causing the events as they happened in this timeline and necessitating Wells using a time machine to get the hell out of there.
I think that he fully expected Barry to go back in time and get killed by a Younger Reverse Flash, which would still strand Wells in that time period, causing the events as they happened in this timeline and necessitating Wells using a time machine to get the hell out of there.
BronsonLee
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Or the girl Eddie ends up getting pregnant isn't down with gunshot wounds!
roflwaffles
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Xamtheking
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Barry should have just told the Reverse Flash right before he was about to kill his mom that he would be stuck here and I'm pretty damn sure RF would have worked with Barry and not killed his mom so he could get back to his own time
The problem is that the current timeline has been the "wrong" one too long not to just be the de facto "right" one at this point. There's no guarantee they'd restore whatever the "original" timeline was since you still have an event occurring which isn't simply erased (Future Future Flash and Reverse Flash traveling to Barry's home in the past and fighting there) but rather altered.
I would accept a little handwaving here, in favor of more coherent character development. Have team Flash manufacture enough physical evidence to make it look like Nora died still, just that body is missing. Father could still get blamed, go to jail. All basic timeline events remain intact, maybe allow for subtle differences to crop up.
Joe and Barry have better relationship than me and my own pops
To be fair that is a high fucking bar.
Barry and Joe are the best.
BronsonLee
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An idiot
I don't think RF would've been down to listen to his archnemesis!
Xamtheking
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RF isn't stupid, and he would be able to pick up on the concept pretty quickly
Also, killing Barry's mom made him the Flash, so it might even cause the Flash to pop out of existance
BronsonLee
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He would've had approximately 00.0000000001 seconds before RF merc'd his ass. No time.
He should've told future him to suck it and saved his mom, though.
Delta Assault
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So long and thanks for all the grass.
Other Barry knows best.
Aeternus Malum
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i'm almost certain that Future Flash was Flashpoint Flash
I'm sure I'm not the first to realize it or point it out but it just caught my attention
Begaria
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Jest Chillin
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I... didn't think the finale was great. It was ok. It felt like a lot of exposition that just reinforced the relationships as we already knew them to exist.. then pulled time travel non-shenanigans to change... mostly nothing.
I did enjoy Cisco's being informed of his powers and Eddie's sacrifice. Both of those are big moments going forward I think. It was also cool to see the glimpse at Killer Frost. Outside of that though.. this felt like it should've been the episode right before the finale. Ending it on a cliffhanger the way they did just fell flat for me.
I did enjoy Cisco's being informed of his powers and Eddie's sacrifice. Both of those are big moments going forward I think. It was also cool to see the glimpse at Killer Frost. Outside of that though.. this felt like it should've been the episode right before the finale. Ending it on a cliffhanger the way they did just fell flat for me.
Jorok Goldblade
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It was more like a Smallville finale, which usually ended with every character in some sort of mortal peril that is cleaned up within the first ten minutes of the season premiere than an Arrow finale, which largely ties up the season.
If they're bringing the multiverse into season 2, it makes Cisco awakening as Vibe pretty useful. New52 Vibe can sense breaches between universes.
Delta Assault
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Uh. I mean... is there still
a Flashpoint Flash? The whole idea of Flashpoint was kinda killed in this episode, wasn't it?
I wonder what Ciscos powers are (or are they just he can see changes in other timelines)?
Yea i think it was, I also liked that they showed a brief clip of the Legends of Tomorrow trailer while in the speed force.
Also mentioning Rip Hunter at the end, I'm kinda expecting him to show up early season 2 now and then lead into getting the team together for Legends of Tomorrow.
Also annoyed at the cliffhanger but at least we know its not canceled.
I would still love the "Flash. Point. Paradox." trio of titles for the 3 shows
unholyrevenger72
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I just have to point this out but,
this is one of the most fucked up/most destructive moments I've ever seen in a comic book film. I mean, holy shit, that tower and its surroundings is going up in smokes! This would be all over the world with all the chaos!
You need to watch Man of Steel, or maybe you have and you just blocked out the huge loss of life
Septimus Prime
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Was it just me, or was Eobard afraid of Jay Garrick? Like, it was all good, but then he saw the helmet, stopped in his tracks, and was just like, "Yeah, okay. I have to go now. Peace."
1. Nothing at all, since we can have two copies of Barry being around at the same time, due to them originating in parallel timelines, why would the alternate Eobard be affected?
2. Eobard would have been gone already, and everything he did would be undone, with no one but Cisco remembering the timeline where he existed. This doesn't work, though, because it would create a time paradox, where the motions to erase him would never have been initiated in the first place.
I mean, I get why they did what they did (and it looked really cool), but I don't think it should have happened that way.
That actually kind of bothers me. I don't understand why Eobard would fade away the way he does because that doesn't happen with anyone else. It should have been one of two things that happened:
1. Nothing at all, since we can have two copies of Barry being around at the same time, due to them originating in parallel timelines, why would the alternate Eobard be affected?
2. Eobard would have been gone already, and everything he did would be undone, with no one but Cisco remembering the timeline where he existed. This doesn't work, though, because it would create a time paradox, where the motions to erase him would never have been initiated in the first place.
I mean, I get why they did what they did (and it looked really cool), but I don't think it should have happened that way.
Presumably he went back, saved his mom, created the flashpoint timeline, went back again and stopped himself from saving his mom to prevent the flashpoint timeline from happening.
Septimus Prime
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I thought it was really nice how Barry didn't question his alternate self and trusted that it was the right decision to listen to himself about not saving his mom.
Yes, I think joke was a bad word choice.
No he simply told Barry the reason didn't matter anymore.
WanderingWind
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As somewhat of an expert in these matters, let me explain all the perceived paradoxes to those of you not familiar with the works of a certain Doctor.
It's all due to wibbly, wobbly timey-wimey stuff.
It's all due to wibbly, wobbly timey-wimey stuff.
Shit, that'd be perfect. And iirc, Berlanti or Kreisberg did say they wanted to kick off S2 with a big Rogues episode because the crew on the original Flash show had said that, if they were renewed for a second year, they would have begun with a big Rogues episode. What if S2 of this show also begins as S2 of the original Flash series?
Vulcano's assistant
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Eddie be like "Wildcard, bitches!"
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Being completely unfamiliar wihanything Flash before this show, that finale made my head hurt.
broncobuster
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With the original intro and everything. Too perfect to happen.
Literally every single complaint about time paradoxes can be explained with
Doesn't Geoff Johns hate the Speed Force?
That's what amazes me about how hard they're going for it in the show.
Timey-wimey and speedforce are basically the same thing.
Schweinehund
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Would laugh if Superman does it to WW when she's got Max Lord's neck in her hands.
WrenchNinja
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Johns used the speed force all of the time in his stories after Waid created it. If he hated it, he has a funny way of showing it.
I've just watched it. Incredible.
Then I watched the last ten minutes again. Still God like.
The wait for Season 2 is going to be long but damn if I wasn't broadsided by the scene with his mother and Eddie's wildcard. I felt sure he was going to change everything, especially as they seemed to be setting up Cisco / Vibe. I figured even if nobody else remembered each other in the new reality, Cisco would have been able to bring everyone together. I can see how I should have seen it all coming but man...
Season 2 is going to be interesting and have a lot of explaining to do. If RF was erased from existence it explains why their current universe was eating itself up... No RF means he never came to be, never went back in time to kill Barry, nor was he able to help him and bring forward the date of Barry's powers. In short, everything should be undone. Unless Barry just straight up stops a black hole in S02E01 - I think we might actually still get Flashpoint.
What if we start with a new fucked up universe? What if Rip Hunter's first order of business is to visit that universe and help Barry prevent Eobard's initial time travelling interference? What if killing Barry wasn't the first attempt on the Flash's lineage that Eobard made? Perhaps he'd went after Nora's father first. What if RFs absence or this new reality is what is responsible for Vandal Savage being able to wage chaos for Legends of Tomorrow?
Supposing they correct the timeline, Barry's mom lives, the timeline still changes, Barry still becomes the flash, Eddie lives a happy uneventful life (with Cisco hopefully dreaming about his heroism) ...and Arrow Season 3 didn't happen! It'd be a better reason for Sara Lance being alive than anything else
Then I watched the last ten minutes again. Still God like.
The wait for Season 2 is going to be long but damn if I wasn't broadsided by the scene with his mother and Eddie's wildcard. I felt sure he was going to change everything, especially as they seemed to be setting up Cisco / Vibe. I figured even if nobody else remembered each other in the new reality, Cisco would have been able to bring everyone together. I can see how I should have seen it all coming but man...
Season 2 is going to be interesting and have a lot of explaining to do. If RF was erased from existence it explains why their current universe was eating itself up... No RF means he never came to be, never went back in time to kill Barry, nor was he able to help him and bring forward the date of Barry's powers. In short, everything should be undone. Unless Barry just straight up stops a black hole in S02E01 - I think we might actually still get Flashpoint.
What if we start with a new fucked up universe? What if Rip Hunter's first order of business is to visit that universe and help Barry prevent Eobard's initial time travelling interference? What if killing Barry wasn't the first attempt on the Flash's lineage that Eobard made? Perhaps he'd went after Nora's father first. What if RFs absence or this new reality is what is responsible for Vandal Savage being able to wage chaos for Legends of Tomorrow?
Supposing they correct the timeline, Barry's mom lives, the timeline still changes, Barry still becomes the flash, Eddie lives a happy uneventful life (with Cisco hopefully dreaming about his heroism) ...and Arrow Season 3 didn't happen! It'd be a better reason for Sara Lance being alive than anything else
Zeouterlimits
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Yeah, possibly my favourite part of the episode.
OH SHIT... 1990S COLD VS WENTWORTH MILLER COLD
SO MUCH HYPE.
If they do this...it would go down as the greatest television show in history and forever. It wouldn't even be a question.
Miles Quaritch
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Maybe that version of Wells is dead? That time line is over but Eddie still lives and comes back as the original RF?
Seems crazy that the entire Thawne bloodline is gone from existence. Flash with RF seems hollow, there's literally no one who can push him to his limits.
Yeah, I'm really curious as to what Cisco's powers are. More so after Wells begged him to help. Seems like Cisco has some pretty OP power up in the works? He can change reality on the fly or isolate certain people/events from time-line changes?
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