Have you heard about the classic mode stretch goal? 6 levels done in the style of the classic games. We hit it just today.
Koji Igarashi Kickstarts Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night (2.5D, backdash, 2018)
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Have you heard about the classic mode stretch goal? 6 levels done in the style of the classic games. We hit it just today.
El Pescado
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I did. Sounds fantastic. I like Virt joining the project too.
Hurry up and hit 3,000,000 so I can throw my money in. Ha ha ha.
*a choir of angels*
It woooooooon't, it fucking woooooon't, there is zero reason or evidence to suggest it even coooooould.~~~~
*pipe organ groans*
bottleneck the other platforms to make it run on wii u
Finale Fireworker
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bottleneck the other platforms to make it run on wii u
My buddy.
The Kickstarter explicitly says that no other platforms were considered in the original plans so the game would be completely unrestricted and could run on Unreal 4.
Wii U doesn't even have Unreal 4 support.
Any down ports would have to be done after the game is completed and ported to another engine completely.
The main game will not be affected or hindered by later ports because they say, specifically, they were not willing to compromise the vision of the game for the sake of full multi platform support.
Why do you think it's a three million dollar stretch goal?
Much more interested in an orchestrated OST than 8-bit tracks. I like a lot of 8-bit music but the 8-bit boner in the indie scene gets a bit much sometimes (I get that's its cheap to do of course). Virt (and the people they already have) are super talented though.
Isn't $3 million cheap for a Wii U version (given what everybody has said about engine issues with Unreal 4 and what not)?
Kojima isn't working on this because she wasn't available. Money isn't going to change that to say nothing of the fact that there is no point in replacing the artist they already have - it just costs them extra money, is disrespectful to the first artist (or at least it feels like it is, I might be over-thinking this point) and doesn't represent a strict upgrade.
If you throw your money in now, it will get to $3 million faster and you won't be charged till the end of the campaign anyway.
Isn't $3 million cheap for a Wii U version (given what everybody has said about engine issues with Unreal 4 and what not)?
Kojima isn't working on this because she wasn't available. Money isn't going to change that to say nothing of the fact that there is no point in replacing the artist they already have - it just costs them extra money, is disrespectful to the first artist (or at least it feels like it is, I might be over-thinking this point) and doesn't represent a strict upgrade.
If you throw your money in now, it will get to $3 million faster and you won't be charged till the end of the campaign anyway.
Finale Fireworker
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Coming to Easy Bake Ovens in 2017.
Finale Fireworker
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What monster designs? That one weird one in the demo art? Not a lot to go on there. I bet we won't even see that creature in the game.
Chrono Helix
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I still don't get the point of the WiiU version. I could kind of understand if this was coming next year, but at bare minimum we are being given the March 2017 date. The platform could have easily been replaced by that point, or at the very least its replacement will be on the horizon. That's assuming the game isn't delayed back a bit, which it likely will be.
Mr_Antimatter
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Virt is awesome, a super welcome addition.
But where my orchestrated soundtrack at. The way they're handling stretch goals "reveals" is incredibly annoying to me. And the next one is a Wii U version? Gah. Is an orchestrated OST even coming?
Also, I dunno how I feel about a Wii U port, it's a UE4 game. Wonder how is it going to be handled.
Probably farmed out to a dev who will downport it to unreal 3.
Oh damn, if this comes to Wii U on disc I am there.
Theoretically absolutely. Is it the best use of the money? No idea.
I don't get the point of a PS4 version but I have no issue with people wanting it.
Theoretically absolutely. Is it the best use of the money? No idea.
I don't get the point of a PS4 version but I have no issue with people wanting it.
- Nintendo has a history of supporting backwards compatibility. I wouldn't be surprised if the NX can play WiiU games
- Once the NX comes out, all the WiiUs in existence don't all explode
- PS3 and 360 games are still coming out even though the PS4 and XBone are out. The same can be seen going into previous generations for all 1st parties
- The WiiU is a known entity. What is the NX? For all we know if could be a VR headset or some shit - nobody outside of Nintendo knows. Easier to make promises for a known entity
Unknown Soldier
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Nintendo NEEDS to abandon backwards compatibility, one of the biggest reasons why the Wii U is simply inadequate today is it's CPU design which literally dates back to the GameCube.
There doesn't need to be a Wii U version of this game but hey, if they get $3 million they might actually have enough to farm a down-port out to High Voltage or something.
I understand people wanting it, nor do I begrudge them for it, but it just seems like something that should be evaluated closer to release once they see where Nintendo is going with their hardware. I feel like the people who would want a WiiU version might feel a bit burned if they end up with a WiiU game when they would probably want it for newer Nintendo hardware. Particularly in this case where the port will have to farmed out to deal with the UE4 issue. So I don't get the point of a WiiU version being a stretch goal. Hopefully they don't try to bring in the 3DS and Vita as well.
Iga wants my money, obviously.
The whole point of this campaign has been to liberate an unknown number of dollars from my wallet.
I mean I've gotten great usage out of backwards compatibility in every system I've owned that had it. Backwards compatibility on the PS2 let me catch up on most of the PS1 library for example. It was how I was able to play Symphony of the Night! So I disagree? I mean you can replicate it with the Virtual Console but if I can use physical versions of classic games and/or not have to rebuy my old games if I want to replay that seems like a win to me.
As for the bolded, don't you dare jinx this! :/ >_<
Mr_Antimatter
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I get a lot of use out of it year 1, but rarely after that. I've a huge backlog of ps1-3 games that I still need to finish, but it's hard to tear myself from my ps4 games.
Ditto for the PC. Lots of classic games I've gotten from GOG that need playing.
- Nintendo has a history of supporting backwards compatibility. I wouldn't be surprised if the NX can play WiiU games
- Once the NX comes out, all the WiiUs in existence don't all explode
- PS3 and 360 games are still coming out even though the PS4 and XBone are out. The same can be seen going into previous generations for all 1st parties
- The WiiU is a known entity. What is the NX? For all we know if could be a VR headset or some shit - nobody outside of Nintendo knows. Easier to make promises for a known entity
Speaking of known entities, I'm not sure where all these crystal balls are coming from and why people are convinced this game with a soft release date will be out after the NX, which has no release date.
- Nintendo has a history of supporting backwards compatibility. I wouldn't be surprised if the NX can play WiiU games
- Once the NX comes out, all the WiiUs in existence don't all explode
- PS3 and 360 games are still coming out even though the PS4 and XBone are out. The same can be seen going into previous generations for all 1st parties
- The WiiU is a known entity. What is the NX? For all we know if could be a VR headset or some shit - nobody outside of Nintendo knows. Easier to make promises for a known entity
PS3/360 still sells enough after all these years, doesn't the WiiU sell on par with those consoles, isn't that pretty bad for a two year old console? Can't imagine how the WiiU's will sell in 2 years.
Unknown Soldier
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Well the Wii U has been an unmitigated disaster so it stands to reason Nintendo will want to replace it ASAP. They aren't going to sit the entire generation out with the Wii U and if they push the NX out by 2016 with hardware comparable to what's in the PS4 and Bone they still have a shot this generation to make some noise instead of vanishing completely into mobile like Konami.
So people are saying this shouldn't come to the Wii U because they're full of frothing, irrational hate for it. Gotcha.
Unknown Soldier
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LMAO if that's what you got out of my post then I really can't help you.
Well the Wii U has been an unmitigated disaster so it stands to reason Nintendo will want to replace it ASAP. They aren't going to sit the entire generation out with the Wii U and if they push the NX out by 2016 with hardware comparable to what's in the PS4 and Bone they still have a shot this generation to make some noise instead of vanishing completely into mobile like Konami.
Yeah not sure where I came to that conclusion.
Thing is they're not releasing anything in 2016. They stated specifically that they're not even going to start talking about it until 2016.
I do chuckle at the whole "Nintendo vanishing off into mobile" despite the fact that they're still making a profit off of Wii U even as it's failing. Unlike Sony, where the PS3 wiped the PS1 and PS2 profits into oblivion, helping nearly collapse the company and getting Kaz Hirai fired as CEO.
3rd party will never flock to Nintendo unless it's to make shovelware if the console's Wii levels of successful. It's the old axiom of "not enough marketshare" vs "Nintendo fans don't buy 3rd party games/we can't compete with Nintendo 1st party games."
The point is that games coming out for previous gen systems when the newest gen is still pretty new is the norm. It has always happened. As such, this game coming for WiiU is a complete non-issue. Why is this even a point of discussion?
WiiU is a sales flop but Konami has been shit for years, the situations aren't comparable at all. Either way, making promises for a platform you know nothing about (NX) is stupid and dangerous. If they can get the resources to release this on the WiiU, even if they have to farm a port to another developer, there's no reason not to do it.
Well, they've said they will be discussing it next year, so I don't see how it could be coming any later than than some time in 2017.
The only reason why 3rd party is shovel ware on the wii/wii u is cause they're underpowered. Publishers don't wanna re-do a game like AssCreed or COD to make a worse version on a console that no one wants. If the Wii U had decent specs, they could just do a straight port same as the Xbone/PS4/PC version. Also no one likes the shit gamepad. If Nintendo just went with a traditional controller and decent specs, theyd be able to compete
Uh... you do know that the Wii U hasn't been doing very well, don't you? I mean, regardless of all the great games that have come out for it and how hyped its fans still are, when you look at its sales and Nintendo's sales historically, it's doing pretty bad. If you look at it's sales and video game console sales presently, it's doing pretty bad.
From a business perspective, I don't think that calling it a disaster stems from "frothing irrational hate". Other publishers have noticed that, hence the lack of third party support, hence the "sitting a generation out". Plus it isn't getting official support from newer game engines like UE4, and its specs can't match the output of the two newer consoles, not to mention the PC, and thus it won't be able to match every game that's with more powerful platforms in mind, hence the "sitting a generation out".
Only the vanishing like Konami thing is a great exaggeration. Nintendo still has its Scrooge McDuck treasure stores.
Everyone was hyped for PS2 cause PSX was godly plus the shitty media format that no one used. Throw a DVD drive in it and I have a feeling it might be different.
Look, when the developers weren't sure if they would even hit 500k (LOL but whatever) they realized that the only way to make and release the game on all three systems with a budget of $5 million would be to make the game in something like Unreal 3 or whatever and they didn't want to do that. So they chose Unreal 4 and excluded WiiU. Now that its obvious they are swimming in money, they can afford to continue making the game in Unreal 4 and the down/sideways/diagonally port the game to WiiU where they know there is an additional receptive audience. More people now get to play the game. Win-Win-Win. Why is this a contentious subject?
Lee Chaolan
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If it's a Wii U version, then great for those that own the Console. it would encourage more donations from those with Nintendo consoles to then unlock more goals and make the game even better for everyone. I don't buy into this bottleneck thing to make it worse on the other platforms. Will probably be a later port anyway.
Either way, Go Iga!
Either way, Go Iga!
Personally, I was hoping the $3,000,000 stretch goal would be a pizza party with IGA for all the backers, so I'm a little bummed about that not happening.
Unknown Soldier
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Everything I said is factually correct.
The Wii U's sales are tracking so low that it's selling slower than the GC did. If this isn't an unmitigated disaster, I want to see your definition of what one is.
Keeping the Wii U would be the same as abandoning this console generation, and maybe consoles in general. Getting the NX out the door ASAP would give them another chance at this generation, which is why it's so reasonable to predict they would want to push it out by 2016 if it's a console.
Assuming the NX is a console, of course. Nintendo has been mum as to what NX actually is. If NX isn't a console, it's safe to assume that Nintendo intends to abandon home consoles, which would absolutely be a rational business decision since they have been facing declining console success every generation with the sole exception of the original Wii. Their 2nd most successful console after the Wii was the original NES. The SNES sold less than NES did. The N64 sold less than SNES. The GC sold less than N64. And the Wii U is their worst-selling console yet.
Nintendo would be derelicting their duty to shareholders if they didn't seriously consider abandoning the home console market which is becoming increasingly marginal for them. No one should be surprised that Nintendo's stock started skyrocketing when they finally announced they were getting into mobile, and also they've been making money hand over fist from Amiibos. It's become increasingly clear that home consoles are not the path to Nintendo's future and from a business perspective now is a good time to walk away.
They are complaining that the team might sacrifice part of the visuals in order to have the game working on more systems without having to work much between versions. Cross gen games got some flack before for it so its not something new tbh.
What part of "it's still making a profit off of each unit" do you not understand? They've had 3 quarters of losses in 125 years of business, mostly due to massive expansions in Japan and Europe, as well as the huge stock buyback from the Yamaguchi family.
Yeah it's their worst selling console, but they're not just going to straight up abandon it next year. Last thing they want to do is push out another console that wasn't ready.
2017, yeah most likely. That's 5 years which is fair enough.
It's a 2.5D game in the animated artstyle of Guilty Gear Xrd. You're not exactly going to lose some incredible image quality if you move to another console.
Sojiro
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This so much.
theSlacker
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I feel ya, and hope the same. Knowing it for sure now is about the first negative thing about the game that I can worry about though.
Yup. Just hope that it doesn't effect anything.
That does sound like it would be a better idea. Especially if it is an after the fact port like I would hope it would be. I can understand them aiming for systems that they know are out if they are going to be working on them immediately, but that shouldn't matter if the port is coming after and not going to hold back normal development. Either way there are people that will see this as a ton of money that could have been spent directly on the game, instead of paying another company to port it to another engine.