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[Mineshaft_Gap]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XciXCRnqiPw

I know this is old, but it's a story about the U.S. Government spraying poor people in California with radioactive aerosol. This is just one example of unethical human experimentation perpetrated by the government on poor people in the United States. The Tuskegee experiments are one of the best known examples of a government agency using a people on the fringes of society (poor black sharecroppers) and fucking their shit up on syphilis.

For some reason, this stuff really gets to me. What's more, are we to believe that the government just learned better all of a sudden and put a stop to such activities? I don't believe in the whole chemtrail conspiracy, but I would not be surprised at all to find out that some poor black community is being sprayed with some nasty shit. It's happened before.

Let's talk about unethical human experimentation in the United States!

 

[wenis]

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[Ban Puncher]

CHEMTRAILS!!

 

[Simon Belmont]

Conspiracy theories as an idea are flawed.

Edit: Guys - it's an inside joke. Not a tinfoil hat magnet. I really don't care about your views and am not going to engage you.

 

[Mineshaft_Gap]

Conspiracy theories as an idea are flawed.

As a concept. This thread was a mistake, really I was more interested in talking about the experiments we already know about rather than conspiracy theories that are silly and debunked.

I don't think we're supposed to believe that everyone simultaneously had a moral epiphany and decided that spray poor people with nasty shit is wrong, cause governments don't usually bend to moral populism.

I think the more logical answer is that as science has advanced and experimentation has advanced with it, it would be too difficult to keep any large scale unethical testing under wraps for long enough for it to bear fruit, so it doesn't make financial sense. At least, in most developed nations.

Don't get it twisted though, if the government could get away with it, they would. They just can't.

I'd like to think this is true, and at the same time it's still horrifying.

 

[marrec]

I don't think we're supposed to believe that everyone simultaneously had a moral epiphany and decided that spray poor people with nasty shit is wrong, cause governments don't usually bend to moral populism.

I think the more logical answer is that as science has advanced and experimentation has advanced with it, it would be too difficult to keep any large scale unethical testing under wraps for long enough for it to bear fruit, so it doesn't make financial sense. At least, in most developed nations.

Don't get it twisted though, if the government could get away with it, they would. They just can't.

Unless you want to talk about unethical economic experimentation that goes on at a mass scale every year in the US.

 

[Amalthea]

Uh, why would they use easily visible trails of vapor when everything they could spread, like radioactive particles, viruses, bacteria, whatever, would be effectively invisible?

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

Weren't the Tuskegee experiment victims military veterans?

Or am I just getting confused because of the Tuskegee Airmen?

That's not really a conspiracy theory though, that happened. A lot of the "fucked up gov't experimentation" conspiracies are dumber than that. Most are a result of the government not understanding what it was doing at the time, like soaking everything in DDT (even cows) because they didn't know it was shit for birds. Actually completely non-toxic to mammals. Or, like how Las Vegas became a "test bed for fallout research" even though it was just because people didn't understand radioactive fallout at the time and would flock to Las Vegas to watch the atomic tests.

You wanna talk about stuff like The Philadelphia Experiment, you're getting too far out there.

 

[Mineshaft_Gap]

Uh, why would they use easily visible trails of vapor when everything they could spread, like radioactive particles, viruses, bacteria, whatever, would be effectively invisible?

I'm not defending the chemtrail conspiracy theory. I think it's silly. I'm just saying that it's not like there's no precedent for unethical human experimentation. It used to happen all the time. In the video in the OP they show how they used to spray communities from the tops of buildings, out the backs of station wagons, and from airplanes.

 

[turtle553]

They didn't actual infect people with syphilis, just didn't treat the ones that had it. Glass half full. :/

 

[Beelzebufo]

Conspiracy theories as an idea are flawed.

I mean if you were a black man thinking that your "syphilis medicine" treatments were a conspiracy, you would have been right.

And yeah, I think this kind of stuff did stop. Education is more shared now, so you can't exploit a whole group of people like that.

Weren't the Tuskegee experiment victims military veterans?

Or am I just getting confused because of the Tuskegee Airmen?

That's not really a conspiracy theory though, that happened. A lot of the "fucked up gov't experimentation" conspiracies are dumber than that. Most are a result of the government not understanding what it was doing at the time, like soaking everything in DDT (even cows) because they didn't know it was shit for birds. Actually completely non-toxic to mammals. Or, like how Las Vegas became a "test bed for fallout research" even though it was just because people didn't understand radioactive fallout at the time and would flock to Las Vegas to watch the atomic tests.

You wanna talk about stuff like The Philadelphia Experiment, you're getting too far out there.

Everyone involved with the Tuskegee experiments knew what they were doing (it wasn't just incompetence) and they actively lied and withheld information. It was absolutely horrible, and is something they teach in morality classes for any health profession. My university employed one of the researchers for like a single year a long long time ago, and it still stands as one of the biggest black marks in our history because the whole thing was so goddam awful.

They didn't actual infect people with syphilis, just didn't treat the ones that had it. Glass half full. :/

Yeah, but that glass is half-full with a poison that kept people from actually seeking out treatment. They even contacted other doctors in the area and told them not to give them the real treatment. So like if for some reason you were (justifiably) paranoid and you thought "I'm going to get medicine from someone else even though I already have medicine, just in case this is some bullshit experiment", you're still shit out of luck.

The study itself was also based primarily on racist pseudoscience. There's really nothing good about it in any way.

 

[BocoDragon]

Conspiracy theories as an idea are flawed.

That's nonsense.

Many many conspiracy theories are wrong. But conspiracies happen all the time, and people can have accurate theories about them.

I have a theory that Sony is conspiring in secret to build a PS5 and sell it to the masses.

 

[terrisus]

For "conspiracy theories," there's always Tunguska.


But, yeah, plenty of unethical/no longer allowed testing and experiments that have happened over the years.
As someone who has had to perform research with protected populations in the past, there are all sorts of hoops to jump through now.

 

[jmood88]

They didn't actual infect people with syphilis, just didn't treat the ones that had it. Glass half full. :/

...all while telling the people involved that they were giving them a drug when they weren't, even after a cure had been found. They just say there and watched people suffer with a disease they could easily cure. That shit makes me mad every time I think about it.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

They didn't actual infect people with syphilis, just didn't treat the ones that had it. Glass half full. :/

My mom's best friend and that lady's brother went through trials for polio treatments (vaccines? I don't recall). They both had it, she got the treatment, he got the control, she lived, he died.

Life sucks sometimes.

 

[John Kowalski]

Don't say your thread was a mistake. Never say that.

 

[Veritigo_X]

As a concept. This thread was a mistake, really I was more interested in talking about the experiments we already know about rather than conspiracy theories that are silly and debunked.

Probably shouldn't have began with "I'm not a believer in conspiracy theories but..".

 

[Mineshaft_Gap]

They didn't actual infect people with syphilis, just didn't treat the ones that had it. Glass half full. :/

Well, they didn't that time.

"Sorry for infecting you with syphilis, Guatemala. Our bad!" - Hillary Clinton

 

[marrec]

Well, they didn't that time.

"Sorry for infecting you with syphilis, Guatemala. Our bad!" - Hillary Clinton

Man, we were REALLY interested in Syphilis.

 

[Mineshaft_Gap]

...all while telling the people involved that they were giving them a drug when they weren't, even after a cure had been found. They just say there and watched people suffer with a disease they could easily cure. That shit makes me mad every time I think about it.

Which led to spouses and children being infected.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

I mean if you were a black man thinking that your "syphilis medicine" treatments were a conspiracy, you would have been right.

And yeah, I think this kind of stuff did stop. Education is more shared now, so you can't exploit a whole group of people like that.


Everyone involved with the Tuskegee experiments knew what they were doing (it wasn't just incompetence) and they actively lied and withheld information. It was absolutely horrible, and is something they teach in morality classes for any health profession. My university employed one of the researchers for like a single year a long long time ago, and it still stands as one of the biggest black marks in our history because the whole thing was so goddam awful.


Yeah, but that glass is half-full with a poison that kept people from actually seeking out treatment. They even contacted other doctors in the area and told them not to give them the real treatment. So like if for some reason you were (justifiably) paranoid and you thought "I'm going to get medicine from someone else even though I already have medicine, just in case this is some bullshit experiment", you're still shit out of luck.

The study itself was also based primarily on racist pseudoscience. There's really nothing good about it in any way.

Yeah I know that that was a willful and disgusting act by the government, that's why I took the time to distinguish it from real conspiracy theories. As in the ones that aren't provable or true.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Man, we were REALLY interesting in Syphilis.

Probably because it has (unfounded) historically racist connotations, so it's one of the few diseases you could have justified only studying non-white people for back then.

Yeah I know that that was a willful and disgusting act by the government, that's why I took the time to distinguish it from real conspiracy theories. As in the ones that aren't provable or true.

I mean but before it was proven true, it was just a conspiracy theory like any other

 

[KidGalactus]

Weren't the Tuskegee experiment victims military veterans?

Or am I just getting confused because of the Tuskegee Airmen?

That's not really a conspiracy theory though, that happened. A lot of the "fucked up gov't experimentation" conspiracies are dumber than that. Most are a result of the government not understanding what it was doing at the time, like soaking everything in DDT (even cows) because they didn't know it was shit for birds. Actually completely non-toxic to mammals. Or, like how Las Vegas became a "test bed for fallout research" even though it was just because people didn't understand radioactive fallout at the time and would flock to Las Vegas to watch the atomic tests.

You wanna talk about stuff like The Philadelphia Experiment, you're getting too far out there.

Conspiracy doesn't only mean "manufactured idea that validates paranoia" (though it can).

A conspiracy is a plan carried out on secret. Tuskegee was a conspiracy, and there are conspiracies being carried out even now.

 

[Amalthea]

I'm not defending the chemtrail conspiracy theory. I think it's silly. I'm just saying that it's not like there's no precedent for unethical human experimentation. It used to happen all the time. In the video in the OP they show how they used to spray communities from the tops of buildings, out the backs of station wagons, and from airplanes.

The problem is that nowadays this happens more likely in some remote third-world places and nobody cares. And the other problem is that we are basically spied out in a huge conspiracy-style fashion and everybody knows it and nobody cares.

No, it gotta be Emperor Obama who uses Japanese Muslim Zombie Kamikaze pilots to spray chemtrails containing measles vaccine into the sky to make everybody autistic so that the US government can easily disarm the population and take over their own country.

 

[Principate]

Conspiracy theories are right every once in a while. Honestly we live in a time when the US government literally spies on you, the country has a police force and justice system so corrupt it officers can murder minorities in broad daylight, on Camera and receive minimal consequences, and bribery isw basically legalised and an already very right wing country.

I could never scoff or laugh at some random government conspiracies because it wouldn't even surprise me if It were true anymore. Reality of things we know, that are continuing to happen, frighten me far, far more.

 

[Simon Belmont]

That's nonsense.

Many many conspiracy theories are wrong. But conspiracies happen all the time, and people can have accurate theories about them.

I have a theory that Sony is conspiring in secret to build a PS5 and sell it to the masses.

I mean if you were a black man thinking that your "syphilis medicine" treatments were a conspiracy, you would have been right.

And yeah, I think this kind of stuff did stop. Education is more shared now, so you can't exploit a whole group of people like that.


Everyone involved with the Tuskegee experiments knew what they were doing (it wasn't just incompetence) and they actively lied and withheld information. It was absolutely horrible, and is something they teach in morality classes for any health profession. My university employed one of the researchers for like a single year a long long time ago, and it still stands as one of the biggest black marks in our history because the whole thing was so goddam awful.


Yeah, but that glass is half-full with a poison that kept people from actually seeking out treatment. They even contacted other doctors in the area and told them not to give them the real treatment. So like if for some reason you were (justifiably) paranoid and you thought "I'm going to get medicine from someone else even though I already have medicine, just in case this is some bullshit experiment", you're still shit out of luck.

The study itself was also based primarily on racist pseudoscience. There's really nothing good about it in any way.

Whooosh

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

Conspiracy doesn't only mean "manufactured idea that validates paranoia" (though it can).

A conspiracy is a plan carried out on secret. Tuskegee was a conspiracy, and there are conspiracies being carried out even now.

Yeah you're right but I always have made a distinction between the word "conspiracy" on its own vs. as a part of "conspiracy theory." In my mind "conspiracy theories" are manufactured to justify paranoia, whereas credible theories that may concern a conspiracy are just "theories" since they are testable/provable.

I guess that doesn't make a lot of sense now that I say it out loud, though.

 

[Mineshaft_Gap]

The problem is that nowadays this happens more likely in some remote third-world places and nobody cares. And the other problem is that we are basically spied out in a huge conspiracy-style fashion and everybody knows it and nobody cares.

No, it gotta be Emperor Obama who uses Japanese Muslim Zombie Kamikaze pilots to spray chemtrails containing measles vaccine into the sky to make everybody autistic so that the US government can easily disarm the population and take over their own country.

Shove your straw man up your ass please.

reptilian shapeshisfters are real. ive seen one

Targzissians are obviously reptilian.

 

[Lazyslob]

reptilian shapeshisfters are real. ive seen one

 

[mre]

Weren't the Tuskegee experiment victims military veterans?

Or am I just getting confused because of the Tuskegee Airmen?

No and yes.

 

[Eggbok]

reptilian shapeshisfters are real. ive seen one

 

[terrisus]

Which led to spouses and children being infected.

"?"

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

It seems to me the majority of hardcore conspiracy theorists (the ones who believe in the really far-out stuff that's extremely unlikely) tend to be white, and usually harbor racist notions. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them don't even care or know about the Tuskegee experiment because it didn't effect them, and was carried out on an "undesirable" group of people to them.

I imagine a lot of hardcore conspiracy theorists have such far-flung conspiracies almost out of some weird persecution complex, like they need to make up ways the government is attacking them to make them feel superior and to justify their idea that they're racially superior and thus there is a group of "others" seeking to take them down.

I did research into Alien Abductions once, and I found a lot of people who carry those beliefs tended to hold white supremacist notions as well---there's a common idea of "nordic aliens" who basically abduct people to breed a new super race of alien-human hybrid ubermencsh.

 

[Mineshaft_Gap]

there's a common idea of "nordic aliens" who basically abduct people to breed a new super race of alien-human hybrid ubermencsh.

So basically Thor and Jane?

God, Odin's gonna be pissed when he finds out about Natalie Portman...

 

[marrec]

Here you go OP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

Notice that as we get into the late 20th century these experimentations trail off. It is interesting how willing we've been in the past to do this kind of stuff.

I imagine we're just outsourcing it now.

 

[Silexx]

Whooosh

To be fair, you missed the delivery on that one. Now NHL-GAF has to take the L.

You let us down, Simon, you let us down.

 

[Amalthea]

Shove your straw man up your ass please.

I wanted to say that whenever a conspiracy proves to be true people mostly care not enough to produce a real outrage over it.
While others invest a huge amount of attention at obviously fake theories.
It's a vicious cycle.

And I'm not pointing my finger at you or anyone in this thread.

 

[sooperkool]

Man, we were REALLY interested in Syphilis.

At the time, Syphillis was damn near a plague that drove people crazy and eventually killed them. Its not some harmless irritant.

 

[Neuromancer]

Project MKUltra was really fucked up.

Project MKUltra — sometimes referred to as the CIA's mind control program — was the code name given to an illegal program of experiments on human subjects, designed and undertaken by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Experiments on humans were intended to identify and develop drugs and procedures to be used in interrogations and torture, in order to weaken the individual to force confessions through mind control.

Organized through the Scientific Intelligence Division of the CIA, the project coordinated with the Special Operations Division of the U.S. Army's Chemical Corps.[1] The program began in the early 1950s, was officially sanctioned in 1953, was reduced in scope in 1964, further curtailed in 1967 and officially halted in 1973.[2] The program engaged in many illegal activities;[3][4][5] in particular it used unwitting U.S. and Canadian citizens as its test subjects, which led to controversy regarding its legitimacy.[3](p74)[6][7][8] MKUltra used numerous methodologies to manipulate people's mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs (especially LSD) and other chemicals, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, isolation, verbal and sexual abuse, as well as various forms of torture.[9]

The scope of Project MKUltra was broad, with research undertaken at 80 institutions, including 44 colleges and universities, as well as hospitals, prisons and pharmaceutical companies.[10] The CIA operated through these institutions using front organizations, although sometimes top officials at these institutions were aware of the CIA's involvement.[11] As the US Supreme Court later noted, MKULTRA was:

concerned with "the research and development of chemical, biological, and radiological materials capable of employment in clandestine operations to control human behavior." The program consisted of some 149 subprojects which the Agency contracted out to various universities, research foundations, and similar institutions. At least 80 institutions and 185 private researchers participated. Because the Agency funded MKULTRA indirectly, many of the participating individuals were unaware that they were dealing with the Agency.[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

 

[Simon Belmont]

To be fair, you misses the delivery on that one. Now NHL-GAF has to take the L.

You let us down, Simon, you let us down.

I know. I should have looked it up. I'm going to have to spend a few games in the press box.

 

[marrec]

At the time, Syphillis was damn near a plague that drove people crazy and eventually killed them. Its not some harmless irritant.

Well obviously it was real shitty but we we're injecting it into EVERYBODY.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Well, they didn't that time.

"Sorry for infecting you with syphilis, Guatemala. Our bad!" - Hillary Clinton

Yo what the fuck.

 

[poppabk]

I don't think we're supposed to believe that everyone simultaneously had a moral epiphany and decided that spray poor people with nasty shit is wrong, cause governments don't usually bend to moral populism.

I think the more logical answer is that as science has advanced and experimentation has advanced with it, it would be too difficult to keep any large scale unethical testing under wraps for long enough for it to bear fruit, so it doesn't make financial sense. At least, in most developed nations.

Don't get it twisted though, if the government could get away with it, they would. They just can't.

Unless you want to talk about unethical economic experimentation that goes on at a mass scale every year in the US.

It's not that everyone had a moral epiphany (most people probably realized back then that infecting poor black men with syphilis without there knowledge was wring) , it's just that in response to such incidents we put in place requirements to prevent it and set-up government bodies to over see them.
Medicine didn't need to be demonstrated to be safe or labelled until a company decided to dissolve their cough remedy in ethelyne glycol as kids liked the sweet taste.

 

[GungHo]

As a concept. This thread was a mistake, really I was more interested in talking about the experiments we already know about rather than conspiracy theories that are silly and debunked.

The only issue here is in the terminology and it's acquired baggage. "Conspiracy theory" carries a connotation that the ultimate basis of the theory lies within a social disorder. People don't usually consider Watergate or Iran-Contra conspiracy theories even though they objectively fit the definition, because they verifiably happened. People usually reserve the "conspiracy theory" for stuff that has a pseudoscientific or pseudohistorical basis that appeals to weak minds, like Eurabia.

 

[unsightly]

What the fuck does that even mean? You're not a believer in conspiracy theories? People have never conspired to do anything that they wouldn't want others to know about??

What a stupid thing to say. I know it's not just _this_ thread title, it just kills me every time. OK, You don't believe in sasquatch, or chemtrails, or anything Alex Jones yells about, so instead you head towards the other extreme of believing everything is as it seems. Cool story, bro.

It's always used like a disclaimer - "I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but..." then they go on to try and raise awareness about a specific conspiracy for which they have personally seen proof. Exactly the same as someone saying "I'm not racist, but.." which is basically a giant warning sign that says "INCOMING RACIST COMMENT" to anyone with half a brain. Lol

 

[komplanen]

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LMAO First post gold

 

[astroturfing]

Yo what the fuck.

USA fucked South America up for a long time and in a myriad of ways, you didn't know?

 

[Mineshaft_Gap]

What the fuck does that even mean? You're not a believer in conspiracy theories? People have never conspired to do anything that they wouldn't want others to know about??

What a stupid thing to say. I know it's not just _this_ thread title, it just kills me every time. OK, You don't believe in sasquatch, or chemtrails, or anything Alex Jones yells about, so instead you head towards the other extreme of believing everything is as it seems. Cool story, bro.

It's always used like a disclaimer - "I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but..." then they go on to try and raise awareness about a specific conspiracy for which they have personally seen proof. Exactly the same as someone saying "I'm not racist, but.." which is basically a giant warning sign that says "INCOMING RACIST COMMENT" to anyone with half a brain. Lol

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[GungHo]

What the fuck does that even mean? You're not a believer in conspiracy theories? People have never conspired to do anything that they wouldn't want others to know about??

What a stupid thing to say. I know it's not just _this_ thread title, it just kills me every time. OK, You don't believe in sasquatch, or chemtrails, or anything Alex Jones yells about, so instead you head towards the other extreme of believing everything is as it seems. Cool story, bro.

It's always used like a disclaimer - "I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but..." then they go on to try and raise awareness about a specific conspiracy for which they have personally seen proof. Exactly the same as someone saying "I'm not racist, but.." which is basically a giant warning sign that says "INCOMING RACIST COMMENT" to anyone with half a brain. Lol

So, which one is your favorite? The Truther stuff goes elsewhere, but happy to hear about the water fluoridation or Babylonian Catholicism that's clearly waiting to get out.

 

[hohoXD123]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XciXCRnqiPw

I know this is old, but it's a story about the U.S. Government spraying poor people in California with radioactive aerosol. This is just one example of unethical human experimentation perpetrated by the government on poor people in the United States. The Tuskegee experiments are one of the best known examples of a government agency using a people on the fringes of society (poor black sharecroppers) and fucking their shit up on syphilis.

For some reason, this stuff really gets to me. What's more, are we to believe that the government just learned better all of a sudden and put a stop to such activities? I don't believe in the whole chemtrail conspiracy, but I would not be surprised at all to find out that some poor black community is being sprayed with some nasty shit. It's happened before.

Let's talk about unethical human experimentation in the United States!

Wouldn't say it was sudden but regulations were put in place as a result of that and other experiments to prevent them happening again. I believe all credible journals/funding organisations require ethical committee approval for all trials, you wouldn't be able to do something like that, expect to get funding and then get published.