... do cis women not do this?
Caitlyn Jenner poses on the cover of Vanity Fair
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... do cis women not do this?
Apologies, I genuinely just wasn't thinking when I typed. I think its fantastic that she is able to be herself and express that publicly. I'll be more careful in future.
EdibleKnife
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Seriously. "Be pretty" is the overwhelming societal narrative fed to all women. Why would a trans woman aim for different?
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Really?
Don't be such a defeatist. For all you know saying her will feel normal to you in 6 months.
It takes getting used to for me as well; I just try to avoid gender naming conventions in general for now as I don't want to offend but also don't want to sound or fee awkward. Say them/they and try to get used to the idea in your own head.
I hope to some day be past my own weird issues with calling transgender females her/she; it's probably an insecurity thing honestly.
trans and cis women AIM FOR DIFERENT, but media ignore us =P
As funny as that scene is, is this really appropriate for this thread? so stupid.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Welp...
You'd be surprised. I'm a great guy. =D
ElectricBlanketFire
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So your gimmick is unfunny sexual jokes?
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it's nothing to stunt
Track day brah
your gimmick is not a good one
it's a better look to apologize for making a shitty joke than to tell everyone else not to be offended
EdibleKnife
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Ah. Well this exposure hopefully is the first step in breaking preconceived notions down. Unless the media continues to do the thing where they only shed light on something if someone famous is involved.
Not intolerant, just needlessly agressive, people won't learn and evolve if you spit poison at them for not knowing, and your attitude was highlighted by the post before yours.
Yes, it sucks that people say things that come off wrong due to their ignorance, they don't know better, but you do and could also have handled it better, and the post before yours is an example, and im not saying you should be nice to them either, but being informative instead of just dishing insults and insults alone is better for everyone involved.
Ha! Yeah. I would be surprised.
I'll be your trans AMA while I'm in the mood. Why can't you accept my gender identity?
I can't believe I wrote that!
I just wish people wouldnt call for pitch forks for having opinions like that.No one grows from that.
HORRORSHØW
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she looks great. bravo for having the courage to live as you are.
I'll be helpful and not offended
Where are you getting your information from? There are loads of trans people out there who just look normal and go about their business. You've probably never even noticed them.
If you're looking at "adult" websites, salacious news stories or celebrity photo shoots, of course it's going to be a bit skewed.
I'm a trans woman and I'm not sure I'm a caricature of anything. I won't go into what I wear on a daily basis or my bra size, but I'm a lawyer at a large firm in a stable relationship and I pass so I only disclose my history to friends I can trust. It's usually so tiring though, because I get loads of questions which seem to challenge me to justify my very existence.
Like I said up at the start of the thread, i hope this is just a learning process for people and in 20 years or so, trans anything is where lesbian and gay perception is now.
Thanks for your reply. Like I said I think it has a lot to do with only seeing images of people trying to be seen. I think profiles of more normal people would help a lot but I can totally understand why people wouldn't do this given our societies behavior. I believe gay and lesbian rights really didn't catch on until people started to know all types of gay people and not just think of the butch lesbian and flamboyant gay male stereotypes.
Real women are all types of women but transgender women in the media are always over glamorized(in style) large breasted women. To me it's like they couldn't feel feminine with small boobs and short hair. I agree that wasn't the case in the interview Jenner did but I didn't see it.
I respect you as a fellow human being and as an equal. Not superior or inferior to me in any way. However this is a delicate subject that is often bait, so I'd rather not post in the thread anymore (Yaaaaay! =D )
I apologize if my comments insulted anyone. It's not my intention. PM's are fine, but I won't risk my account here.
As a final comment, I completely respect Jenner's transition and I actually applaud Jenner for all the bravery. I wish Caitlyn the absolute best.
Most women in the media are over glamorized.
loaf of bread
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How does the actual genitalia surgery work? I can kind of understand the male genitalia because it's mostly external but how do they deal with removing/adding the female genitalia being how it is. I don't really know much about how it works.
Yet you won't respect their wishes to be called a certain pronoun? That is not equal.
I'm assuming you are male, would you be totally okay with someone constantly calling you "she"?
That's a shame. I'd rather discuss it with you respectfully and try and understand what's stopping you from accepting trans people as their "true" / "acquired" / "new" / "whatever" gender. I'm not trying to bait you.
I don't believe that Jenner did that part or is going to have that specific surgery in the future. At least that's what I gathered from the interview.
Is it ? i don't get .. what is the punchline ? Why are you comparing her to the queen of england ?
Circle Jerk
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Wow youre kinda creepy
WickedLaharl
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You don't respect her at all and since making that clear you refuse to even attempt to clarify your position like a coward.
-MD-
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You definitely get it, you're just baiting.
excelsiorlef
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She looks like Michelle Forbes in this one.
EdibleKnife
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Some people have so little to think about or contribute that they can't do anything but be awful. I just like to think that their lives are hell so this is how they respond to people who are actually happy.
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I'd just like to say, i would date a transgender.
Except that you're misusing the joke, because the issue going on on this thread lacks the context from the movie.
The scene from the movie is funny only because Austin discovered an undercover spy mascarading as a woman in a prior scene and in that clip he mistakenly assaults a woman who looked like the disguise from the previous scene.
Posting the clip like that it's clear you're just mocking Jenner.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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You won't jeopardize your account with your hate speech? That's sweet.
You're not considering them to be an equal if you refuse to accept their identity and treat them with respect by using their actual identity. So no, it's not bait you're just a hateful person.
I got it when I was thinking it was just an insult.... now that it is a joke I don't see how saying that she is anything on that video can be the punchline of a joke because it makes no sense
Despite the crude and dehumanizing statement, I actually like the sentiment behind it. IE - they don't care what the person was born as, they're happy with what they are currently.
I respect the attitude behind it, even if it came through as completely crass and disgusting.
NinjaBoiX
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Good for her, she looks great too!
I said something really insensitive in the company of a trans friend recently and she got really upset, but it was borne out of a lack of tact rather than a lack of compassion.
Basically this.
I said something really insensitive in the company of a trans friend recently and she got really upset, but it was borne out of a lack of tact rather than a lack of compassion.
DoktorEvil
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Generally, if you do not have a compliment or affirmation to offer someone in light of significantly life change, keep your mouth shut.
Don't know how people haven't learned yet to exercise tact.
Don't know how people haven't learned yet to exercise tact.
Kiever Sher
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Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Hahaha my first thought was "wait, they have another kid?"
Anyways, she looks fucking great.
Anyways, she looks fucking great.
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