Caitlyn Jenner poses on the cover of Vanity Fair
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MightGoThere
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She looks really good, great actually.
I don't know shit about transgender anything so I hope this doesn't come off to offensive. Why does it always seem that people aren't trying to be a real women but the sexualized cultural stereotype of a woman? Maybe it's just only seeing media images of transgender people but they can't be a woman without large breast, long hair, and make up? It seems to be more about the culture caricature then personal identification.
pinkurocket
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I had no idea who this was when I saw the cover earlier on Twitter, now it clicked and I am amazed. She looks gorgeous, I'm glad too have such a great example to educate the people on this topic.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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It is amazing how some people will admittedly be a 100% self-aware asshole like this
They often say it inconveniences them that they have to "go out of their way" to use a different pronoun.
I would understand if you knew someone for 20+ years who was one gender, and then transitioned. You'd probably use the wrong pronouns occasionally, but actually knowing the person, you'd make the effort.
Usually it's towards people they don't even know though, like they might meet a transgender woman, call them she until they find out she's transgender and then will start using "he" instead because to do otherwise is to "go out of their way"
Yeah, basically saying, " Imay come off as bigoted because I am going to say something bigoted but it makes me feel comfy so yeah".
I never understood why people that don't want to discuss, have no intention of discussion, feel the need to post things they know won't go well with the "but" preface when if they feel that strongly they could just not post. Not like there was any attempt to even have meaning to the post.
sixteen-bit
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Congrats to her.
And this thread has me flexin' the ignore button hardcore.
And this thread has me flexin' the ignore button hardcore.
Pai Pai Master
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It was in the Diane Sawyer interview prior to revealing her transition. She said Kanye was the biggest influence on Kim's acceptance of what she was going through.
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Don't say you are aware of the rude thing you are doing and then say you will keep doing it. It isn't about you, so you can do better. Pathetic.
Most gender role expectations are all made up. There's no such thing as a real woman or man considering it's mostly cultural.
Also while some girls won't admit here a lot of the establishment wants that in people who want SRS. Either play the game or don't get approved and it won't be changing anytime soon.
Caitlyn is no a caricature I think she is quite toned down considering the reveal.
There's a good reason you would get banned for it. Kind of makes you wonder if you're saying something you know...ignorant or wrong.
EDIT: But no, it is everyone else who is wrong, and you're right. Something to think about.
firehawk12
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She said it in that interview a month or so ago.
There's no 'might'. You are definitely douchey for it!
Maybe it's worth considering why people get banned for stuff like that?
Imagine you have a friend who you've known for a while, that friend decides to change their name because of whatever reason ie. they either hate it, they want to get rid of it, they couldn't change it before but now can etc etc.
Would you continue to call them with their previous name despite them going all that way to have it changed and get rid of it just because it's more convenient for YOU ? What about the person him/herself who does not like being called that name ?
What if you got stuck by a nickname in your high school days by some bullies that you didn't like as it offends you, would you not want people to stop referring to you with that name ? Or would you prefer to keep it because it's weird for those people who refer to you using your actual name since theyve always used your nickname till date ?
So they should. being an insensitive asshole is a bad thing, believe it or not.
Settled, wasn't it?
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No, they'd call him their "other mom" now. Just like everyone else would call him a "her" now post-transition. It's what SHE would want.
That said, if her kids did call her dad and she isn't offended by it: Who's business is it but theirs?
I suppose that makes sense, thanks. Just was wondering if dad, although traditionally only used with males, would still hold even though she identifies as female.
I'll be helpful and not offended
Where are you getting your information from? There are loads of trans people out there who just look normal and go about their business. You've probably never even noticed them.
If you're looking at "adult" websites, salacious news stories or celebrity photo shoots, of course it's going to be a bit skewed.
I'm a trans woman and I'm not sure I'm a caricature of anything. I won't go into what I wear on a daily basis or my bra size, but I'm a lawyer at a large firm in a stable relationship and I pass so I only disclose my history to friends I can trust. It's usually so tiring though, because I get loads of questions which seem to challenge me to justify my very existence.
Like I said up at the start of the thread, i hope this is just a learning process for people and in 20 years or so, trans anything is where lesbian and gay perception is now.
excelsiorlef
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ohhthegore
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Well I think what they were saying is that they think transgender women always have large breasts, long hair and make up and don't look like "average" women, but rather try to style themselves like supermodels or actresses or something.
They ARE wrong, i'm not defending that, but I don't think they meant any offense by the post, other than the terrible wording of "real women"
excelsiorlef
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Caitlyn Jenner told the story herself in her interview.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/24/bruce-jenner-kanye-west-helped-kim-kardashian
Circle Jerk
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If you know the thing youre saying is shitty or could get you banned, why say it?
Then don't say anything.
Look, no one cares if it's weird for you. Imagine how hard it is for someone to be openly transgender. Is it really too much to ask for you to call her by the pronoun she identifies with?
She lives in high society near the Kadarshians.
She is VERY non stereotype of sexualized woman xD
Also, you don't see non cliche trans woman because .... you rarely see non cliche woman in media =P
WickedLaharl
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This is like warning someone by shooting yourself in the foot.
I'll be helpful and not offended
Where are you getting your information from? There are loads of trans people out there who just look normal and go about their business. You've probably never even noticed them.
If you're looking at "adult" websites, salacious news stories or celebrity photo shoots, of course it's going to be a bit skewed.
I'm a trans woman and I'm not sure I'm a caricature of anything. I won't go into what I wear on a daily basis or my bra size, but I'm a lawyer at a large firm in a stable relationship and I pass so I only disclose my history to friends I can trust. It's usually so tiring though, because I get loads of questions which seem to challenge me to justify my very existence.
Like I said up at the start of the thread, i hope this is just a learning process for people and in 20 years or so, trans anything is where lesbian and gay perception is now.
Funny seeing these 2 posts one after the other, can y'all point out here who needs an attitude adjustment?
EdibleKnife
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She looks amazing. I'm so happy she's fully herself now.
brokenbeans
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Wow I just had to google, she looks fantastic.
aygomyownroad
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Thought it was Jessica Lange. Took a while to figure out who it was.
Fantastic cover and good on Caitlyn. Takes a lot of guts to do what she has done and hopefully with the exposure help people understand transgender folk more.
Fantastic cover and good on Caitlyn. Takes a lot of guts to do what she has done and hopefully with the exposure help people understand transgender folk more.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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You are a Douche and you don't have anything against trans people but you refuse to accept them as people?
Hateful posts like this are so shitty.
excelsiorlef
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I'm sorry not my job to placate people who call trans folk cultural caricatures say they aren't women and judge that they don't have personal identity because of hair and makeup.
If you think I'm the problem because I'm not nice about those implications? Good for you.
A person is asking to be educated on something that they're showing they're ignorant about with the intention to not be offensive in the future, and you snark and insult instead of helping them understand better so they can handle better the issue next time.
It's way more than "not being nice", it's being the kind of people who quickly point out someone is "problematic" and don't say what is problematic about it nor do anything to help.
excelsiorlef
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Dude they knew what they were saying was stupId. You don't preface stuff with I might be ignoant and maybe I don't know shit and then proceed to say it anyway.
I'm sorry but flat out saying we are real women. That we're just caricatures. It's not a question. It is an insult. I mean all I actually did was use their own words against them and confirm to them that yes your are ignorant and yes yoy don't know shit and ask them for their definition of what a real woman is. But no clearly I'm the real intolerant one here.
Again literally not my job to be nice to people who dehumanize trans people. Just asking questions is not an excuse.
There was like a million different ways to say hey why do teans woman often have long hair and makeup (hey look I legit just did it) without accusing them of being fake woman, cultural caricatures and having n9 personal identities.
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