You now can get Refunds on Steam

I guess Gabe (I think it was him) was serious a few months ago when he stated that Valve needed to get their act together on customer service, and had some ideas on how to accomplish that.

I've been harsh on Valve sometimes, and will continue to be. But this refund policy is a very good move on their part. Kudos. I do hope they thought this through very carefully, though. A refund system is something that a company needs to get right, or at least in the ballpark of right, on day one.

You are always going to have a small percentage of jerks who will try to game the system, no matter what policies are in place. And there may be a few tech-savvy customers who might be quite successful at doing so, managing to evade Valve's systems to detect abusers. There is no such thing as a flawless refund system. However this percentage should NOT impact the revenue developers receive in any meaningful way. In other words, the contingent of people who will request a refund on a 90-minute good game will be small enough that I doubt that the game's devs will care. Most people aren't assholes and appreciate being treated well, folks. Good games will still sell just as well as before.

That said, I am curious to hear what devs such as Fullbright, Telltale, Dontnod, etc think of this policy.

What will adversely impact dev/pub revenue is games that release in a broken/unplayable state, or games that aren't clear with their system requirements, or games that are just plain shit or boring. And that's a GOOD thing. This will hopefully "encourage" devs to test their games more thoroughly to make sure they're reasonably polished prior to release. I doubt this will encourage multiplatform AAA devs much (Ubisoft will still release hunks of junk), but indies are a different story.

If this works well, it should benefit consumers, Valve, and developers/publishers who put out decent games that work properly..those devs might actually make MORE money. And deservedly damage those that release a pile of crap. Hopefully Valve will internally keep track of "refund rate" and if the percentage exceeds a certain threshold, the game gets de-promoted on the Steam store.

Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo need to implement similar policies ASAP.
 
Up to you, but Steam version is the only version that has online multiplayer capabilities, if that interests you.

?? I thought it was crossplay with ps3 and ps4 versions?

If you know you aren't ever going to play it at home and only on the go then maybe.

It seems more like the kind of game I'd get mileage out of playing in bed before I go sleep or during lunch etc etc. It was $3.74 on steam the other day hence why I picked it up, the vita version is selling right now for $5.
 
This is great because I've been on the fence buying so many games on my PC for fear they won't run well

Now I can try them out and if they're too demanding I can refund and get the PS4 version

I love it
 
I wonder if a refund for a uplay title bought through steam would work.
 
I don't want a refund on some games I just want them off my account,
Can we have that please?

It's been possible to remove games for donkey's years now by just asking. Here's the relevant excerpt from the SSA as it existed all the way back in September 2008:

B. Termination by You.

Information on how to cancel your Account or a particular Subscription can be found at http://www.steampowered.com/. Valve reserves the right to collect fees, surcharges or costs incurred prior to the cancellation of your Account or a particular Subscription. In addition, you are responsible for any charges incurred to third-party vendors or content providers before your cancellation. In the event that your Account or a particular subscription is terminated or canceled by you, no refund, including any Subscription fees, will be granted. In the event that your Account or a particular Subscription is terminated or cancelled by Valve for a violation of this Agreement or improper or illegal activity, no refund, including any Subscription fees, will be granted.


russian box said:
also account name changing

I think Valve should give people who created an account before account names were a thing a chance at setting a proper account name (for those unaware, said folks have e-mail addresses as their account names), but beyond that there's really no need for it since literally all an account name is used for is logging in.
 
So how am I suppose to benefit from this new feature? I'm not allowed to gamble, because if I do to many gambles they will blacklist me from doing it again.

No, this "new you can get a refund" is useless, I will ONLY buy the games I'm 100% sure about still, no gambles, no trying out game I'm not sure about, not when there is a hidden limit, tell me exactly how many games I can gamble on getting first and I might think about it.

It's basic consumer protection. That's how you benefit. It's not in place so you can sample games you may or may not want or expect to run well.
 
It's basic consumer protection. That's how you benefit. It's not in place so you can sample games you may or may not want or expect to run well.

Then maybe they (Valve) need to remove this...

You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam—for any reason. Maybe your PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn't like it.
http://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds
 
Nah, that can stay. If you mistakenly buy something that is unsatisfactory for any of those reasons, you can get a refund. If you use the refund policy as a free "try before you buy" feature, constantly, it's abuse of the policy and they reserve the right to deny you future refunds. It all makes sense.

Such as Maybe your PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn't like it.

They both are pretty much "try before you buy" or "gamble and return if you do not like it".
 
Such as Maybe your PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn't like it.

How many games are expecting to need to return? You should have a pretty good idea of whether you'll like the game before dropping money on it. Someone who returns too many games is either abusing the system or very naive.
 
1. Buy game
2. Play for 90 minutes and get trading cards
3. Refund game
4. Sell cards

Hardly seems worth the trouble for like 30 cents. And if they see an abusive trend they will stop refunding games for that person.

Like most retail stores everywhere.

How many games are expecting to need to return? You should have a pretty good idea of whether you'll like the game before dropping money on it. Someone who returns too many games is either abusing the system or very naive.

I've bought games before that I thought I would love, and ended up not liking. It happens sometimes.

Why don't you stop being so concerned for Valve's bottom line here, they already have people for that.
 
Such as Maybe your PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn't like it.

They both are pretty much "try before you buy" or "gamble and return if you do not like it".

Then, go ahead, use it as you see fit. I think the intent of the policy is clear, but if your interpretation is that is meant to be a free 2 hour rental service, who am I to say different?
 
I've bought games before that I thought I would love, and ended up not liking. It happens sometimes.

Why don't you stop being so concerned for Valve's bottom line here, they already have people for that.

Exactly. Sometimes. That's why I asked how often he/she was expecting it to happen. Clearly Valve anticipates that it will happen some, or else they would have different literature on the matter. But there comes a point where doing more research will save time and money rather than getting a refund for everything.
 
How many games are expecting to need to return? You should have a pretty good idea of whether you'll like the game before dropping money on it. Someone who returns too many games is either abusing the system or very naive.

Any number of games I like, I mean we have people listing (not necessary in this thread) 10-20 games they think you should try because they are oh so good, well what if I decide to try those 10-20 games, what if I end up disliking them all or most of them, now I can't get a refund because its to many refunds.

No like I've been saying, this "refund" policy will change nothing in my purchase habits until the abuse amount is clearly specified. This refund policy will not make me feel any safer, since I'll only buy the games I'm already sure I want, no gamble of any kind will commence.
 
Any number of games I like, I mean we have people listing (not necessary in this thread) 10-20 games they think you should try because they are oh so good, well what if I decide to try those 10-20 games, what if I end up disliking them all or most of them, now I can't get a refund because its to many refunds.

No like I've been saying, this "refund" policy will change nothing in my purchase habits until the abuse amount is clearly specified. This refund policy will not make me feel any safer, since I'll only buy the games I'm already sure I want, no gamble of any kind will commence.

I think, if you gave a reasonable explanation for each of the requests, then any reasonable human would be sympathetic to your plight. There's no hard number that they're working with, just like there's no hard number of temp-bans that you can get on GAF before being perma-banned.
 
I think, if you gave a reasonable explanation for each of the requests, then any reasonable human would be sympathetic to your plight. There's no hard number that they're working with, just like there's no hard number of temp-bans that you can get on GAF before being perma-banned.

Well the reasonable explanations is the game either do not run well or at all on my hardware or I didn't like the game, I just isn't going to gamble as I said, nothing in this makes me feel safer, if at any time I can get a refund block added to my account, because of that 1 game to much.
 
The best thing about this is that refunds put a fire under the developers asses, helping prevent Situations like Deadly Premonition (which doesn't work for a lot of people and crashes randomly for the rest).
 
The 2 requirements:
-Bought within the last 14 days
-Played for 2 hours or less

Seems reasonable to me
Feels like it'll be abused alot.

As someone who has been wanting to play some games like Five Nights at Freddie's and To the Moon but is pretty sure my pc is to shit to play them and theres no demo to test them out this could help. Feel like if I return games too many times since everything I want, even visual novels which have messed up before won't work will get me banned tho lol.
 
This is great. It get's customers to be less risk adverse in their purchases, potentially getting consumers to buy more often.

The question is, will my need to try out a lot of games, backfire for me by getting banned? As it will ultimately mean I do refund a lot more games too in the process?

What exactly constitutes abuse of the system? It's quite vague. What if I dislike 9/10 games that I try?

Edit: aaannnd beaten.
 
You only play your Vita "on the go"?

I personally wouldn't use the Vita in your house if I have access to multiple versions of the same game and can play it on my computer.

That's me though. That and I was hinting at that Spelunky is a good game on the go.

And no I don't that and I don't have a Vita anymore.

It seems more like the kind of game I'd get mileage out of playing in bed before I go sleep or during lunch etc etc. It was $3.74 on steam the other day hence why I picked it up, the vita version is selling right now for $5.

If that's the case I say get the Vita version.
 
This is great. It get's customers to be less risk adverse in their purchases, potentially getting consumers to buy more often.

Yeah, the ideal scenario here is players being a little more open and devs having more accountability. Not that there isn't any room for abuse, but that's the ideal.
 
Doesn't help much with Early Access games that basically get abandoned quite some time after the refund period. Looking at you, Under the Ocean...
 
Nice, I saw the news popup earlier on my Steam and I was pretty impressed by it.

I wish I could refund my copy of Sleeping Dogs though, I bought it quite awhile ago (Years now) and realized I needed windows 7 to play it, so I never played it since I was running XP at the time.
Eventually my girlfriend gifted me the Definitive Edition as a surprise after that came out and since they're separate products I'm now I'm forever stuck with regular Sleeping Dogs unplayed and never installed.

Seems like a waste when I could use that money to buy other things on Steam I would actually play, but they wouldn't do anything about it sadly.
 
Doesn't help much with Early Access games that basically get abandoned quite some time after the refund period. Looking at you, Under the Ocean...

You can request a refund even after the 14 days have passed. Depending on the game you might have a case.
 
Such as Maybe your PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn't like it.

They both are pretty much "try before you buy" or "gamble and return if you do not like it".

You should read the message they post to every user in the Update News Box. Not sure if anyone screen capped it. They pretty much say they hope it encourages people to try things they are a bit hesitant on - rather than encouraging a try everything approach. Either way, they will have plenty of data on users' activities and probably have some way of determining what they see as Abuse. They may even issue warnings for all we know
 
You should read the message they post to every user in the Update News Box. Not sure if anyone screen capped it. They pretty much say they hope it encourages people to try things they are a bit hesitant on - rather than encouraging a try everything approach. Either way, they will have plenty of data on users' activities and probably have some way of determining what they see as Abuse. They may even issue warnings for all we know

I don't infer that from what you highlighted.
 
Damn. I was hoping they might be able to offer refunds on all the games I've bought that have <2 hours play regardless of when I bought them.

That would be about 80% of my library :(
 
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