Microsoft/Phil Spencer to appear at PC Gamer/AMD's PC gaming show at E3
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Microsoft have spent huge amounts of money on PC too bro.
I don't think it makes much sense to argue which company is worse. I mean, for example, Sony pulled Everybody's Gone to the Rapture.
It's exceedingly simple really: neither company cares about PC gamers, because neither company is in a position to profit off of every game sale on PC, unlike their proprietary platforms.
The day I believe MS cares about PC gaming is the day they dominate PC game distribution with a platform where they get a percentage off every sale.
The Mad Draklor
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And Ninja Theory said the same thing with Hellblade.
alexandros
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Absolutely not. For all of Microsoft's faults they at least maintain the platform that PC gaming is currently based on, they port (or allow the porting of) some of their Xbox exclusives to PC and they make some (usually half-assed) attempts at offering a somewhat decent service. After the sale of SOE Sony has no relevance whatsoever to PC gaming.
Mass Effect
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Probably just DX12 and Windows 10 stuff, which isn't bad at all, but don't expect any games (outside of like a Fable Legends trailer or something).
And Jesus, are they paying you or something FordGTGuy?
Probably more than you think.
I thought they weren't because they went to Sony for funding and development help and had to give up the IP as a result?
And Jesus, are they paying you or something FordGTGuy?
Probably more than you think.
I thought they weren't because they went to Sony for funding and development help and had to give up the IP as a result?
They have a contract with Sony, but unless things have changed, there was a time at which that contract did not preclude a PC version.
Not instantly wanting to be negative about Phil Spencer at a E3 PC Conference = that I'm being paid....
Another mature comment.
Lots of vitriol over a guy who's been in charge of Xbox for a little over 14 months.
alexandros
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Come on, there's no need for this. He's providing a different view, it doesn't mean he's on MS's payroll.
Yea, if you're being stupidly selective, you could do that.
The Mad Draklor
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Well, his comment is more mature than any of yours...
People aren't wanting to be negative about Phil. They have valid criticisms in which you refuse to acknowledge.
Saying that all they are going to show is a Fable trailer and tell walk off the stage with a smile.... yeah.
Accusing me of being on Microsoft's payroll, I might as well start a counter for that one.
I've only been accused in this thread twice now.
justgames7604
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Not true at all. Sony partially funded one game that is crossplay... Just freaking one man lets not get ahead of ourselves. Sony pay a shit ton to keep games off pc and xbox,games originally pc only are now ps4 exclusives or not on xbox.
MS saved DR3, ported ori (their ip) which was x360 originally until they partnered with Moon studios, ported alot of their software to steam, etc. MS buy games and help fund them same as Sony but its just worse when they do it because its MS.
MS makes games like titanfall happen and allow release on PC when its funded by their xbox division. They arent hostile to PC they just arent active with it either.
Sony actively pay to keep games off of pc. I cant remember the last Paid MS exclusive that wasn't xbox and pc.
MrNyarlathotep
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Ya know, you're right! The Xbox One is a great purchase, and I can't wait for all the fans to see what we have in store at E3! #sayingnothingspecific
Compare to you bringing up Phil with regards to DDoSes?
ShadowSoldier89
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the last time phil spencer went on a stage and claimed to be talking about PC gaming, he fucking announced Xbox one streaming to PC
Why the fuck do you think PC gamers dont trust the guy this time
Mass Effect
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I can't find much beyond speculation, but I've seen people here say that was the case. Maybe it isn't.
Obviously he isn't being paid by them. But fine, you're right.
He also announced Fable Legends for PC and cross-play support and showed off DX12 but sure that's all he announced.
The Mad Draklor
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Which is actually probable and people will not be surprised if that happens. Yes, out of context, it sounds nuts, but with context, it's actually not unreasonable.
Also, you need to cool down. The payroll thing was a joke.
ShadowSoldier89
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1 game few cared about, 2 pieces of catchup. Wow, that was amazing. He said he was going to talk about PC gaming, the majority of his presentation was not about PC gaming
It's hard to take something as a joke when you've been accused of it as many times as I have.
SEGAvangelist
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Gigantic too, and it wasn't even a real gaming event.
ShadowSoldier89
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I find this completely unsurprising
But only big budget games AAA games counts, indies and small games do not count. (This is the same argumentewhen people say that ps4 have no games because they don't have a big game, and we all know that is it bs.)
It incredible the mentality of some people here. It true that they have promise and most of the time never do it and to be skeptical is totally reasonable, but ignore the facts that they have releasing things recently and that head of xbox and microsoft have changed is pretty close minded.
AWizardDidIt
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I'm hoping for Killer Instinct with online cross play between PC and XBOX1. That would do a hell of a lot to keep the online presence for that game going strong.
SenjutsuSage
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Microsoft is the company that made the thing, as well as the operating system it will run on, so they have as much right as any company to be represented in some form at that show.
But it's always entertaining to witness the bitterness towards them, especially when they're making big contributions that people are looking forward to.
It was a long time ago so I am hazy on the specifics of the conversation, but I asked the developer directly, and the answer was something like "We have not signed anything preventing a PC release".
Obviously that's not the same as "It will come to PC". It would also be true if they had signed a 10 year timed exclusivity deal.
The Mad Draklor
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Enough with the victim complex. So you're putting the blame on other people instead of evaluating yourself. No wonder why...
Mass Effect
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I wasn't being serious, but sorry regardless.
But your posts have been needlessly defensive of Microsoft.
Honestly the bottom-line is they need everyone to move onto Windows 10 and that includes gamers too which represent a very vocal group.
Having incentives such as DX12 and cross-buy, cross-play and streaming help sweeten the deal.
I'm not claiming to have a victim complex, only stating facts... but sure whatever you want to believe.
Serious answer: because the only platform Windows is actually relevant on right now is PC (they're failing on servers, mobile and devices), and one of the only reasons to use a PC outside of work for most people is gaming.
That's why they were somewhat quick to react when DirectX (and with it, OS lock-in for most PC games) was threatened to be overtaken by cross-platform APIs.
SenjutsuSage
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You better get in line behind me. I'm sure I hold the record for that charge
We shall fight for that title of honor!
One of the whole points behind DX12 is that it's a cross-platform API.
In fact one of the reasons for the existence of DX12 is that it's part of the backbone of Windows 10 being pushed across all of their devices.
As much as people want to contribute the existence of DX12 to competition a large part of it is their new Windows 10 strategy. The ability to write code for Desktop and just need to recompile it for Phone or Xbox is pretty amazing(of course there are interface differences but some applications lend themselves better than others to this change.).
DirectX 12, Windows 10 Xbox features and a few Xbone/PC crossplatform games are great things Microsoft is doing for PC gaming, i think we can't ask them far more than that, Microsoft has to sell Xbox One too, that's where most of gaming related money comes from, they can't afford to bring all the major Xbox One exclusive to PC, that would mean kill Xbox One, which is already behind PS4 so far, with their own hands.
The Mad Draklor
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"Claiming to have a victim complex"? What a weird way to word things...
What you have presented were opinions, not facts. What other people presented were facts and opinions that were well-support by facts.
justgames7604
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Your in a debate, cool. But do you have to be an asshole too?
The problem here is that Microsoft used to make cool PC games, occupying a bunch of unique niches pretty much all to themselves. They've now left all of these niches behind, and none of the titles that you're talking about make up for them. Bringing a bunch of Xbone games to the PC won't do anything for me if I'm looking for another Close Combat or Mechcommander. I understand why Microsoft may not want to come back to these kinds of games, but that doesn't exactly make me feel any better about what they're doing.
Primethius
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It's always entertaining when people ignore the reasons why someone might be hesitant in making such generalized statements.
Mass Effect
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Oh well that's good then. I guess people just assumed since they're getting funding from Sony now as well as help from SSM that Sony got the IP rights in exchange.
Because of an ever-growing PC market that Microsoft runs the risk of becoming increasingly irrelevant from? Especially now that they're facing competition in multiple areas like APIs and operating systems. They obviously care to some degree considering DX12's massive improvement and the Windows 10 upgrade plan.
DarthWalden
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What did you expect? For him to announce every xB1 game to launch simultaneously on PC?
CaptainMellow
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Masterchief collection for PC...... preinstalled with windows 10
Crimsonclaw111
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Something as simple as unfucking their GFWL store exclusive releases would be pretty easy.
MrNyarlathotep
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I find it hard to give credit to MS for certain MS published indie titles - which are only MS published because that was forced upon otherwise publisherless indie developers who wanted to release titles on XBLA.
It's like giving a blackmailer credit for not releasing damaging evidence against you
John Bender
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"Everybody's Gone to the Rapture" is a Sony owned IP. Just like God of War or Uncharted. So you can be sure it will stay PlayStation exclusive.
Microsoft has many businesses outside of gaming, and most of these are a lot more important to boot. Windows is one of the key strategic products that Microsoft must succeed with if they want to maintain their profit margins. This position has been threatened by the relative failure of Windows 8, and Microsoft needs to make sure that it doesn't happen with Windows 10. The free upgrades and DirectX 12 are major moves to keep PC gamers committed to the platform.
Why would you want that? Our savior Spencer has graced us all with Candy Crush preinstalled. Don't get greedy man.
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