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Microsoft/Phil Spencer to appear at PC Gamer/AMD's PC gaming show at E3
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dgrdsv
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So you're saying that Win10 will accept Win7 and Win8 keys for initial installation? If this is that simple then why didn't MS say that out loud yet?
H/w monitoring is dependent on Windows edition AFAIK. Boxed versions tend to be more forgiving than digital ones and regional versions can be different here as well.
Crayon
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Yeah as a matter of fact maybe pc game could have been more successful across multiple platforms without microsoft's constantly vying for control.
Have you used steam on a mac or linux machine? It's actually quite nice. That is... what's there is quite nice. Aside from all the games that are windows only thanks largely to directx, you would hardly know what desktop os is running under your game.
I'm just saying that the platform is part of the equation and it makes no sense to remove it from there. The MS platform has been conducive to quite a few PC gaming golden ages.
I disagree. From the Linux side Valve deciding it needed to roll its own distro speaks volumes about how hard it is to target a game for Linux. From the Mac side, is the Witcher 3 even announced for Macs?
SEGAvangelist
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Must be an OEM version thing I guess.
The Mad Draklor
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Sucks that the options on Mac and Linux versions of Steam are limited =/
This is why I'm a lot more excited for Vulkan than DX12 because of its platform agnosticism.
Primethius
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Your missing my point. Of course the platform is relevant. But PC gaming has not always been in the state it currently is. However, the platform back then and the platform now is the same.
So clearly, there are factors other then the platform which has made it a success. Falsely attributing too much success to the platform and using it to defend MS's acts and the treatments their executives receive for things they say about PC gaming just seems to be putting too much value on something that shouldn't.
Crayon
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On linux in particular there's been a relative explosion since the introduction of steam for linux, but compared to the number and importance of games on windows it's laughable or tragic depending on your attitude. On the other hand, taken on it's own merits, it's now viable to use as a gaming platform.
But my point was that the games run just as nice and have all the features (less a little performance hit for the rough and ready opengl) and we as users have nothing to lose and everything to gain from games being os agnostic.
But any post-Vista Windows can upgrade to 10 for free, so why does that even matter?
Crayon
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Because maybe you don't want windows 10? Seriosuly have you considered that?
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loooool omg that was actually super funny to me.
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loooool omg that was actually super funny to me.
Does not compute.
That's all I'm saying and that that is a bit of context that works in Microsoft's favour.
I have not and have never said that the rise of digitial distribution and especially Valve/Steam hasn't been the primary reason that PC gaming is where it's at today. I'm just saying the OS that all of this is running on shouldn't be ignored and it seems to me like it is ITT. A whole hell of a lot of good things have happened on Microsoft Windows.
Plus Nadella isn't Ballmer and Spencer isn't Mattrick or Allard. A lot of posts here feels like slashdot posters talking about Borg Gates of M$ or something.
chromatic9
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Microsoft are just a custodian they won the OS battle. Before PC there was successful Personal Computers with similar games, mods and cracks, video and image editing programs such as Deluxe Paint.
Just look at Steam OS and all the recent games that work. If Microsoft disappear tomorrow, PC gaming carries on and probably does better.
If anything the OS in the last 15 years has been a barrier and 90% of it is aimed at business and for a long while you had no proper choice but to buy a desktop with Windows on. It's a hugely complicated costly system that goes far beyond what the browser and gamer needs. Selling a hugely business oriented OS doesn't fit today for the general consumer hence all the changes.
Just look at Steam OS and all the recent games that work. If Microsoft disappear tomorrow, PC gaming carries on and probably does better.
If anything the OS in the last 15 years has been a barrier and 90% of it is aimed at business and for a long while you had no proper choice but to buy a desktop with Windows on. It's a hugely complicated costly system that goes far beyond what the browser and gamer needs. Selling a hugely business oriented OS doesn't fit today for the general consumer hence all the changes.
dgrdsv
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No, it's certainly not an OEM version but it's not a boxed version either.
I expect something similar to what happened in E3 2006 or E32007 where Microsoft announced the wireless Xbox 360 receiver and a Viva Piñata PC port with the then new GFWL service.
This time it will be the Xbox One wireless receiver plus the new controller and some Xbox One ports.
This time it will be the Xbox One wireless receiver plus the new controller and some Xbox One ports.
With all the hate that goes towards Microsoft in the PC space, no other company has even come close to showing they would be a real and better alternative to what Microsoft gives me. Only Apple comes close and their offering is still subpar. Bottomline it isn't easy, look how hard a time Valve is having creating an OS that is even viable. I welcome the new leadership and will watch and see new additions they make. Truthfully I'm OK with them just releasing new versions of Direct X every few years, that's really the bare minimum. All they need is to create the sandbox let other people play in it.
SEGAvangelist
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Which versions detect hardware changes? Just curious, honestly.
If 90% of Windows is aimed at business than 90% of Linux and OSX is aimed at business. Only console OS are mainly focused on games.
Like I said the fact that Valve had to roll its own distro doesn't speak greatly about Linux prior to SteamOS in terms of games and the slow pace of hardware improvement on Mac doesn't speak well for OSX. And those are the alternatives to Microsoft Windows.
Well then you don't want it.
Microsoft are trying to make it easier for themselves, they don't want another XP situation with Windows 7 so they are luring and pushing consumers and businesses towards upgrading to Windows 10.
chromatic9
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I think you're underestimating the market for home computer games and the gap would be filled if vacated. You look around after 25 years of Microsoft of course there isn't much. Even after all that there's many top PC games you don't even need anything Microsoft to play. Others are there waiting to pick up the batton.
SteamOS is based on Debian ...
Crayon
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... and all *buntus are based on debian, and mint is based on debian.... It's really not so fragmented. I've run almost a dozen distros lately and they all work with steam.
Yes, exactly. We get zero benefit from this at best. Those of us who want anything other than windows 10, be it windows 7, or osx, or open source will have to use Vulkan and hope dx loses some grip.
... and all *buntus are based on debian, and mint is based on debian.... It's really not so fragmented. I've run almost a dozen distros lately and they all work with steam.
Yes, exactly. We get zero benefit from this at best. Those of us who want anything other than windows 10, be it windows 7, or osx, or open source will have to use Vulkan and hope dx loses some grip.
As long as I don't have to pay for online gaming or have to buy it in the Windows Store, I'm interested in all games that Spencer is about to announce for Windows 10
yes, I am sure that it makes a whole lot of sense to microsoft to satisfy your demands.
halo mcc, halo 5, horizon 2, forza 5 & 6, gears 4 coming riiight 'up! specially for you! on steam of course!
dgrdsv
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Any digitally bought version I think. I have a Win8Pro and it does loose activation on a videocard change.
I don't know how it is with Win8 but in Win7 lineup the only version which didn't drop activation on h/w changes was boxed Win7Ultimate if my memory serves me right.
And all of them detect h/w changes, but the tolerance to them is different between editions.
SEGAvangelist
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Weird. I have digital versions of both Windows 8 Pro and Windows 8.1 Pro and have never had an issue when changing video cards.
Having used Windows 10 for the past couple of months...I truly believe you'll have a hard time on DX losing it's grip. It's definitely going to be as big as Windows 7.
Uh, Age of Empires 2 was the single most requested game on GoG and Steam for a long while. Now it's the single most played RTS on Steam. Not exactly "hardly anyone."
Albert Penello
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we've announced that. coming this year.
Yesssss you're back!
TC McQueen
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I lost my Windows 8 Pro activation when one of my RAM sticks went bad, but I had no problems changing GPUs.
I'm pointing out that golden ages have happened for PC games on Microsoft Windows. That's a fact. What might have happened in an alternate future or history where MS Windows ceases to exist or never existed is speculation but both alternatives to Windows have challenges that Microsoft's platform don't have. Fragmentation at the O/S level at one (to the point that there's no common desktop even) and slow hardware upgrades at the other.
Head.spawn
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I thought you mentioned it here like two years ago.. where is it?
Hooking my wireless controller to a cord just feels wrong.
We understand why MS makes DX12 W10 exclusive - to sweeten the deal. And that is totally ok (at least for me).
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It's not exclusive because they give it away. That's some crude logic. DX 10 was Vista exclusive, DX 11 W7 exclusive, DX 11 W8 exclusive (although they didn't give those away for free). MS always used Dx as a sales argument to upgrade. They never cared about openess and they don't do it now with Windows 10.
That is ok and it is their right to handle it like this. It's their business model. But don't paint a picture where MS' DX politics have ever been about beiing open. That's just wrong.
OpenGL runs on every OS, whether it is ARM or x86 based and on smartphones or a desktop pc. MS could do the same with Dx, if it would make sense to them.
They did some good things with DX and that is cool, but they don't give W10 away "to improve our gaming". They have good business reasons to do so and Dx 12 is just one point to get more people to update as early as possible.
justsomeguy
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Edit: Nvm , so beaten
BennyBlanco
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Cool. Is it gonna be a package deal like the 360 controller + dongle? I've been holding off on getting one because I don't want to have to rebuy for the official dongle. The knockoff 360 dongles are terrible.
Albert Penello
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You are right. Always in the plan, we were going back and forth on how we would do it. As I'm sure you've all seen we've been prioritizing other stuff (like the monthly updates). Which I like, but that's why stuff like this gets delayed.
so how is the show coming up Albert? are you excited? anything happening that will catch us unaware?
It will be 100% dedicated to Crackdown. Everything else like Halo 5, Forza, etc will be moved to Gamescom, TGS and EGX.
SEGAvangelist
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Would be funny if Phil just played the first Crackdown for 90 min. on stage.
That's my dream E3 briefing.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Don't be like that. Glass half full buddy.
"We're growing the Killer Instinct player base by releasing KI on Windows 10 with cross play! And it can run at 60 frames on Surface 4!!! And its cross buy!!!!!"
I would die.
the first crackdown? no! but 90 minutes causing havoc on nextgen version and making azure crash from too much destruction, now I'd pay to see that
yes this and general windows performance as kind of side story as that is I'm still curious if the rest will perform as well as dx12
BananasWithGuns
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Well, Major Nelson is teasing a "surprise," whatever that could be.
http://majornelson.com/2015/06/03/xbox-at-e3-2015/
http://majornelson.com/2015/06/03/xbox-at-e3-2015/
Head.spawn
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Gotcha. As long as it works and looks awesome, I'm on board day one. I might even buy another controller just for my computer.
Updates have been great, keep up the good work with that. I'm looking forward to the Win 10 update coming soon.
Kinect Sports for Windows!
Albert Penello
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You know I don't know. I'm invited to the reviews and dress rehearsals, and to be honest I've avoided as much as I can. I know bits-and-pieces, but I miss the old days of just showing up and being excited, so I'm avoiding spoilers that way I can enjoy it just like everyone else.
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