Halo splitscreen co-op RIP 2001-2015
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Err, your post said you did 3-player "co-op."
I thought you might have meant that because it is possible to do 3-player split-screen coop (albeit prone to crashes):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJ7iG8s2tg
Caipirinha
Member
Please be excited for non-Bungie developed Halo games.
MAtgS
Member
We DON'T know the numbers & yet some of us are somehow using unknown statistics to justify the removal of a mode that's been around since day 1. I was presenting an analogy that demonstrates just how absurd of a reasoning that is.
Breakfast at Noon
Member
tales from your arse.
Fair enough
Cant we just check the ammount of trophies got on singleplayer compared to multiplayer to get a idea?
You kow like on PS4 you see a %
Yes, we don't know the numbers precisely. 343i does however... and they are the ones who made the decision.
Does it suck? Yes. Did the framerate have a part to play in why it is gone? Most likely. Is your argument absurd? Also yes.
Breakfast at Noon
Member
at this point in time.. i really do not think 343i knows much..
Trickster
Member
If you don't know the numbers, then how are you qualified to say that more play MP than campaign?
But yeah, we don't know, which is why I litterally said lets pretend we do
But yes, you were presenting an analogy, I merely pointed out that it was flawed.
It can't be a decision they made lightly, the metrics available ostensibly pointed to the splitscreen campaign crowd being too small to justify the development resources.
It's still a bummer for people who enjoy playing with their friend/cousin/fiancé/whatever locally, even if it means taking a hit on framerate, screen estate, level of detail.
It's still a bummer for people who enjoy playing with their friend/cousin/fiancé/whatever locally, even if it means taking a hit on framerate, screen estate, level of detail.
Breakfast at Noon
Member
cant we check how many people unlocked single player trophies compared to multiplayer? I'm sure this would resolve this issue.
On PS4 we can check a % to see, is there nothing like this on xbox? or the website?
Trickster
Member
I don't think you can for xbox achievements.
Either way I don't think it matters whether SP or MP is more played than the other.
The original argument that removing split screen coop is essentially the same as removing campaign, is still flawed unless you're making the argument in a complete vacuum with no context whatsoever
This has nothing to do with what the console is capable of.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
I heard this thread went to hell fast, but I guess I forgot how some people like yourself probably consider this a Bungie vs 343 war.
As much as I loved Bungie's passion when they made Halo games, so many gameplay designs I disagreed with. I've always wanted a faster, more visceral Halo, but Bungie insisted on creating a more random, sluggish and inconsistent game for its competitive multiplayer.
Whereas 343 is adopting ideas not only have I been a long time advocate for (a more powerful weapon sandbox, faster gameplay, interesting movement options, etc.), but aren't afraid to implement fresh ideas. Sometimes at the expense of fan desires, yes, but hopefully they continue listening to feedback and find ways to satisfy its fanbase wherever possible, like they did by putting sprint on a toggle for Custom Games.
Tangent: Andddd speaking of Custom Games, the single most important thing this franchise needs is a
Custom Games Browser.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
I laughed hard way to hard at this joke
<3Aurora Sparkle
Neo Member
Noooooooooooooooooo!!!
Aww man, that sucks so hard.
Me and my hubby have played all the Halo Campaigns with split screen CO-OP and I was really looking forward to doing the same with Halo 5. =/
Man, everything really is shifting to be exclusively online focused. Bleh.
Aww man, that sucks so hard.
Me and my hubby have played all the Halo Campaigns with split screen CO-OP and I was really looking forward to doing the same with Halo 5. =/
Man, everything really is shifting to be exclusively online focused. Bleh.
Not precise numbers, but in this video you have Frankie saying: "Literally more than 50% of our audience only really cares about campaign and story."
It would be interesting to see official numbers, though.
It would be interesting to see official numbers, though.
because fewer people are interested, or because they have no choice because developers and publishers are dropping the feature and pushing people towards online?
Breakfast at Noon
Member
Everyone i know when buying a new shooter, there first question is always "is it splitscreen so i can play it with misses/kids/mates.
Everyone is alwas bummed out when we do not get it.. killzone and battlefield at PS4 launch were gutting
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Oh man, you've decided what I've posted and no matter what I say, you're not going to actually pay attention as far as I can tell.
My point again is this: split screen being removed isn't anywhere near as significant as free maps, dedicated servers. This is not the way the world ends.
...Except in this thread where people are trying to make believe that split screen gaming IS Halo and that it is the key feature. It isn't. Online is more important and it's here that 343 are rolling out some massive improvements. This is brilliant. On this forum all we've got is people calling 343 out for prioritising 60fps - one of the features people were hoping for more of this gen over split screen gaming.
It's not the issue that people are claiming it is. I don't even know what you're arguing about.
legendofjelda
Member
I'm very disappointed about this news. :/
Playing split-screen Halo campaign with a friend has been somewhat of a tradition for me. It's how I originally got hooked on the first game and since then it's been what I looked forward to the most with every new Halo game. Very sad to hear I won't get to do that this time.
Definitely killing a big chunk of my hype for the title. Major bummer.
Playing split-screen Halo campaign with a friend has been somewhat of a tradition for me. It's how I originally got hooked on the first game and since then it's been what I looked forward to the most with every new Halo game. Very sad to hear I won't get to do that this time.
Definitely killing a big chunk of my hype for the title. Major bummer.
If you don't have an Xbox One, don't even know whether achievements are checked like, why are you even in the thread arguing? 343 knows and they decided it was small enough to cut. Anecdotally, I can also say I don't know a single person in real life anymore who plays split screen campaign with people. Most of us who grew up with Halo are now in our 20's to 40's.
Your posts read like you're ridiculously upset, that it was such a pivotal feature, that 343 doesn't know what they're doing. Split screen campaign on the same console is a niche activity and always will be going forward. It's why so many games are cutting it. Maybe it's time to accept this as an industry standard moving forward.
Don'tBeWeird
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I had a ton of fun playing local co-op in the previous Halo games. I believe it's one of the reasons why the first game was so successful.
Very disappointing.
Very disappointing.
DrLudgerBrink
Member
While it is disappointing, it's not nearly the dealbreaker people seem to think it is. This anti-343i hyperbole is getting old fast.
That regardless of whether your conclusion is right, your argument does a poor job of establishing the premise about the low popularity of split-screen co-op.
I.e. I've been attempting to discuss the validity of arguments being thrown about.
I'm not saying it's insignificant, I'm really disappointed by the lack of it. More commenting on the internet's love of complaining. There was a lot of extremely positive news from the GI article and the only thing which has gained any real traction here is a negative comment.
No. Pretty much all split-screen games have tradeoffs, and have had them for decades. It's a well understood and accepted concept. If you want full blown IQ and framerate, you play single screen. If you want to have fun with a local buddy, some sacrifices have to be made. The mere presence of split-screen as an option has no bearing on the graphics of the single-screen mode of play.
But you know, screw options, right? I don't use them, and the ten Halo fans I know don't use them. That's like 99% of gamers.
They do actually.
This team has only released one game so far, but the online co-op didn't have any problems when my friends and I played through the campaign at least. I don't remember seeing a lot of complaints about it either.
Sucks. Just went through the Halo: MCC with my girlfriend and we had a lot of fun.
Sometimes I feel developers have a bit of tunnel vision when making these games. Like they're surrounded by people who also own their own systems with their copy of the game so they focus on making an experience for that environment forgetting about everyone else.
Sometimes I feel developers have a bit of tunnel vision when making these games. Like they're surrounded by people who also own their own systems with their copy of the game so they focus on making an experience for that environment forgetting about everyone else.
I told my brother about it, because I always play my 1st playthrough of a new Halo game with my brother in splitscreen, and he's kinda sad. I told him, that I'll play the game 1st and then I'll watch him play afterwards. It's not a huge issue for me, but I can understand why it is for others. Cutting a feature is always a loss for some people.
People had the same reactions, when they said 2 player split screen for Halo 5 MP will be the maximum.
lmao
They will have 2 player splitscreen.
https://twitter.com/joshingtonstate/status/545000766969114625
People had the same reactions, when they said 2 player split screen for Halo 5 MP will be the maximum.
lmao
They will have 2 player splitscreen.
https://twitter.com/joshingtonstate/status/545000766969114625
I played through Halo 4 campaign in splitscreen co-op this year. It was not amazing but still a good co-op experience.
We're playing Gears of War Judgment these days.
Why drop it ? I'm not seeing any progress here. It's really disappointing.
I will probably buy a new home console at the end of the year, the Xbox One has lost attraction with this news.
We're playing Gears of War Judgment these days.
Why drop it ? I'm not seeing any progress here. It's really disappointing.
I will probably buy a new home console at the end of the year, the Xbox One has lost attraction with this news.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
No LAN? Every single major Halo game so far has LAN
No LAN? Every single major Halo game so far has LAN
I think that's because the Xbox One doesn't have LAN support.
Fox Mulder
Member
Lame, played co-op campaigns since the first one.
Halo isnt for me anymore apparently, as I dont give a shit about online multiplayer. 343 really killed the series for me.
Halo isnt for me anymore apparently, as I dont give a shit about online multiplayer. 343 really killed the series for me.
Obviously it is a big deal to people, more so than stuff that is told but no one has actually, you know, experienced yet.
Stuff based on actual experience is more important to many than abstract knowledge.
Coop campaign is awesome. Played it a lot with my dorm mates.
Oh well other games to play.
I'm someone who ignored all the negativity around the Xbox One and was alwaya open to the idea of getting one even before the policy reversals, and also was a big fan of Halo 4 compared to everything else I heard and the bad impression from a lot of people. Halo remains my favourite FPS.
However thiw actually is a deal breaker, something I've never had for pretty much and game I'm interested in. Me and my brother played coop on Legendary through all the the Halo's and it was awesome. The lack of it here is just severely disappointing
However thiw actually is a deal breaker, something I've never had for pretty much and game I'm interested in. Me and my brother played coop on Legendary through all the the Halo's and it was awesome. The lack of it here is just severely disappointing
John Kowalski
Banned
Man Drew is gonna be so sad.
Trickster
Member
I'd be interested to have someone with knowledge on this matter say whether or not this is true. Because I think I remember reading something about this once from Bungie in regards to what the affects were on the overall graphics they could push, when they also had to account for the fact that they'd have to create the game to support split screen coop.
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