Ben Carson: stop equating gay rights with the Civil Rights movement

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Why? Because Ben Carson is a fucking idiot, that's why.

"I was a little bit irritated that he was equating the whole [homosexuality] issue with the Civil Rights movement," Carson said Wednesday. "Because, quite frankly, I didn't remember any times when there were signs up that says, you know, 'everybody else here and gay people have to drink at this fountain,'" he said.
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http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/ben_carson_gay_rights_aren_t_civil_rights_because_gay_people_don_t_have_separate_water_fountains

Let's not kid ourselves, by the way. If conservative Christians had the power, they would segregate things between straight and gay people.
 
He also signed a pledge saying that biblical law was superior to American law and that he would not accept the Supreme Court decision. good luck with that in court for stoning your wife.
 
Not at all defending him, he's absolutely wrong, but the title both here and in the link are not what he said at all.

Edit: Holy fuck, I had no idea about that CNN interview. That has to be the most moronic thing I have ever read in my life.
 
It also kind of marginalizes things like Japanese internment camps and other civil rights abuses the US has engaged in...
 
The scary thing is these Republican candidates have had no problem saying some really vile shit in public. Imagine what they really think.
 
Its funny that he says all this stupid shit now because when I was working with him he barely said anything. He was actually a bit of a wierdo.
 
Slayven said:
He does know that after the gays they will come after the melanin endowed folks?
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Carson rests easy with the confidence that those persecutted usually have it coming, as he said in Baltimore:

On Thursday, Carson put that theory to the test, to mixed reviews. He drew on his life experiences to articulate a view that police brutality is real — “I got used to [seeing] people having the crap beat out of them by police” — but that it’s generally targeted at people who are “doing some wrong stuff.” The comments show a tension that all the GOP contenders are grappling with: how to appear compassionate to a black community that feels deeply wronged, while showing support for police as they seek the nomination of a party that deeply values law and order.

“It’s one of the levels of honesty that has to be had within the community,” said Carson, who as a Johns Hopkins pediatric neurosurgeon regularly operated on gunshot wounds to the head. “People must be willing to admit this is a two-way street. I don’t think police go around looking for people to abuse, but I do think if people are doing things, sometimes a situation gets out of hand.”
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Dude's got the black vote on lock.
 
Strike said:
Can't wait for the primaries.
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Every time a GOP candidate touches the hot gay stove, they get burned. They're running for an America that is long gone, existing maybe only in their memories.. so they think they can say stuff like this to some imaginary presidential election-year electorate thinking that the voters will enjoy this. Their mistake is in refusing to acknowledge that Americans have shifted on this realm of issues.

Treatment of LGBT people is a gateway issue; many voters won't even consider a vote for the GOP if the candidate pushes this shit - even if the voter agrees with the GOP on numerous other issues. They're simply not willing to sell-out their friends & family for hopes of a tax cut, or for supposedly smaller government, or from protection against the gun-grabbin' United Nations' black helicopters, or supposedly better national security, etc.

North Carolina today passed a bill that allows government magistrates to turn away couples seeking marriage licenses if the magistrate has a strong religious objection to the marriage.

Michigan has now passed a bill allowing taxpayer-funded religious adoption charities the ability to refuse adoption to same-sex couples.

The GOP is going to keep pushing this. If the Dems have any shred of strategic planning ability in their heads, they'll use this to nail the party repeatedly and loudly.
 
Lionel Richie said:
Not at all defending him, he's absolutely wrong, but the title both here and in the link are not what he said at all.

Edit: Holy fuck, I had no idea about that CNN interview. That has to be the most moronic thing I have ever read in my life.
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Not sure what you mean. He is one of the many people who thinks gay rights is not a civil rights issue. So, yeah, that's what he said.

As for that CNN interview: funnily enough, he came back and apologized for that comment, though somewhat back-handedly, saying that he doesn't know how everyone establishes their sexual identity/orientation and shouldn't have made the claim he did.
 
"I was a little bit irritated that he was equating the whole [homosexuality] issue with the Civil Rights movement," Carson said Wednesday. "Because, quite frankly, I didn't remember any times when there were signs up that says, you know, 'everybody else here and gay people have to drink at this fountain,'" he said.
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He later added, "Yes, I would really appreciate it if you would stop making this comparison, because it's extremely inconvenient for my argument."
 
It is ridiculous to equate what homosexuals go through today with what black people had to go through... The lynchings, the KKK, the fire hoses, the public beatings, the segregation, NOT legally counted as a full human being. How could you argue against that?

we are taking about laws, too, not just public persecution. A black person wasnt legally counted as a full human being.
 
It's tough because they are/were civil rights issues & have a good deal of similarities, but comparing them does do a disservice to the Civil Rights movement
 
"I was a little bit irritated that he was equating the whole [homosexuality] issue with the Civil Rights movement," Carson said Wednesday. "Because, quite frankly, I didn't remember any times when there were signs up that says, you know, 'everybody else here and gay people have to drink at this fountain,'" he said.
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But if the right wing could get away with it, they would happily segregate it.
 
PlayALLtheGames said:
Not sure what you mean. He is one of the many people who thinks gay rights is not a civil rights issue. So, yeah, that's what he said.
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I think especifically here he was comparing it to the African-American Civil Rights Movement. He's an idiot just the same, but for a slightly different reason (:
 
The argument is silly. Although gay people have historically faced terrible issues and still do in certain places or instances, no one is making a 1:1 comparison. I think you have to be blind to say that there are no similarities for the struggles that gay Americans have faced, to other civil rights struggles.
 
What's worse than a racist white person is a homophobic/racist minority. You'd think they would know better about discrimination but nope, they are just as bad, if not worse.
 
Carson told Fox News, "I would love for the gay community to answer this question for me: What position can a person take who has absolutely no animosity toward gay people, but believes in traditional marriage, that would be satisfactory to them?," he asked.

Carson says he's "very happy to compromise" on the issue, but he hasn't "heard an answer" yet.
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"Gay people, can't we just compromise? We both make concessions: you don't get married, and I don't get called a homophobe. So simple!"
 
LosDaddie said:
It's tough because they are/were civil rights issues & have a good deal of similarities, but comparing them does do a disservice to the Civil Rights movement
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The point of comparisons and analogies is never to say "these things are exactly the same in all respects," but to make a particular point of comparison.

Both gays and blacks suffer discrimination as a minority. Both groups faced conservative opposition to their attempts at equality, with both being compared (negatively) to socialism. In both cases, opponents argued that this would destroy traditional values. Just as interracial couples were not allowed to be married, so too are gay couples not allowed.

There are lots of similarities, but people who find the comparison inconvenient for their argument will point out that there are differences, too. My response to that is "Well, of course, different things are never perfectly alike. That doesn't mean that there aren't specific points of similarity."

When you say a boat is like a car except for the ocean, someone could say "No! A boat doesn't have wheels. A boat doesn't even need an engine in many cases. These are huge differences!" Obviously, this misses the entire point of analogies.
 
Making a big deal over any one case of civil rights is about reminding everyone civil rights vigilance is crucial precisely because history has shown us how bad things can get.

And as others have said, the right wing would treat LGBT persons as horribly as they possibly could if they could get away with it. In this context, all civil rights battles are as important because with dehumanization and oppression, every slippery slope ends up at the same place.
 
BigDes said:
You can't prove that is homophobic, maybe the guy got really angry and in the heat of the moment had an anti-lbgt sign designed, printed and then delivered to him so he put it up.
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It clearly means no rainbows. How anyone could be confused by this is beyond me. Who the hell would have the nerve to bring a rainbow inside a store anyways?
 
BigDes said:
You can't prove that is homophobic, maybe the guy got really angry and in the heat of the moment had an anti-lbgt sign designed, printed and then delivered to him so he put it up.
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I'm more confused over what the "Yes to beards" sticker means more than anything.
 
Cyan said:
"Gay people, can't we just compromise? We both make concessions: you don't get married, and I don't get called a homophobe. So simple!"
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Eh, they actually had that "compromise" opportunity with the whole "civil unions" thing. I know it's ultimately "separate but equal" but I've talked to a few gay people who would've taken all the legal benefits of marriage but didn't really give a shit if it was called "marriage." Conservatives just kept pushing until that wasn't on the table, though.

I also know that that wouldn't have been enough for a lot of LGBT people and ultimately not true equality. Just saying, he had his offer of compromise.
 
CrimzonSamurai said:
Eh, they actually had that "compromise" opportunity with the whole "civil unions" thing. I know it's ultimately "separate but equal" but I've talked to a few gay people who would've taken all the legal benefits of marriage but didn't really give a shit if it was called "marriage." Conservatives just kept pushing until that wasn't on the table, though.

I also know that that wouldn't have been enough for a lot of LGBT people and ultimately not true equality. Just saying, he had his offer of compromise.
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Make all legal contracts civil unions and then any straight people who want to can have a marriage ceremony, why should anyone settle for something that is like but not the same.
 
PlayALLtheGames said:
Let's not kid ourselves, by the way. If conservative Christians had the power, they would segregate things between straight and gay people.
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There was a mini protest at BRAZILIAN CONGRESS by the conservative religious lawmaker dudes there against the gay parade

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(included in the image they used : lots of non gay parade acts)
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
Make all legal contracts civil unions and then any straight people who want to can have a marriage ceremony, why should anyone settle for something that is like but not the same.
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Still not equal if only straight people could have the ceremony, though. The position was untenable from the start, but it could've at least reduced the scale of marriage equality as a wedge issue for a time and gained conservatives more votes.
 
womfalcs3 said:
It is ridiculous to equate what homosexuals go through today with what black people had to go through... The lynchings, the KKK, the fire hoses, the public beatings, the segregation, NOT legally counted as a full human being. How could you argue against that?
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You're on a different conversation. The point here is that gay rights are a matter of civil rights, and people who say they aren't, either because they don't have segregated water fountains, or some other reason, are wrong.

Now, I wouldn't necessarily argue against what you said, though I also wouldn't call it ridiculous to draw a comparison, seeing as LGBT people are bullied, shamed, beaten near death and even fatally, and driven to suicide for their sexual orientation in America all the time. I guess there's no KKK equivalent but how about all the "family" associations that preach homosexuality is the reason for 9/11 and hurricane Katrina, and that tolerance of them is going to destroy American society? Or how gay couples aren't legally recognized and the lobbying done by the religious right to make sure it not only stays that way, but that sexual behavior is legislated to make homosexual acts criminal?
 
CrimzonSamurai said:
Still not equal if only straight people could have the ceremony, though. The position was untenable from the start, but it could've at least reduced the scale of marriage equality as a wedge issue for a time and gained conservatives more votes.
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It is equal though, I don't know many gays that would want the marriage ceremony considering religion is so against us. If you separate the legal contract from the ceremony it levels the playing field. The only reason people push for marriage is because that's the only thing on offer.
 
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