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[Slayven]

Where are you getting 13 years from? In this news article her parents stay she started referring to herself as black in 2007 (when she would've been 29 years old).

So she waited until after college(gee I wonder why?).

 

[Zaph]

You just know the old boy on the right was the first of her family to rat her out. Saw those adopted kids accumulating and was like 'Nah'.

 

[Aaronology]

A third of her life in black woman's shoes............

Did that include:

A. You're so well spoken
B. Getting told by a customer that they don't need help then watching them go to the nearest white employee for help
C. Being followed around stores while shopping
D. Miss out on jobs due your name on resumes
E. Get grilled by police over simple shit
F. Get manhandled by police over simple shit
G. Get the police called on you over simple shit
H. Notice people acting uncomfortable while holding conversation with you
I. Have people use slang in conversation as if a friendly gesture to get to know you better
J. Being told to stop being sensitive about race since "majority of America" is past it
K. Get called a nigger
L. Walking on eggshells daily because people would perceive you as short tempered.
M. Having to go beyond the burden of proof to be validated in a court of law.
N. Physical laws on books to help oppress your demographic (Voting Rights, Gun Laws, War on Drugs etc)
O. Have pretty much either negative stereotypes or partially stereotypical depiction of characters in works of fiction
P. Despite above, not enough representation in most media
Q. Have the country operate with a Eurocentric belief of beauty that doesn't reinforce beautiful black women
R. Have a portion of people truly believe that black people are more dangerous than others
S. Have a portion of people who refuse to reason and sympathize with black problems in America
T. Having 1 out of 3 Black Men statistically destined to be locked up in prison!!!!!

I can continue but why do I need to? Im proud to be black, this isn't a daily checklist and my life isn't a pity party. But these are things you will encounter if you are black in this country, Its GUARANTEED.

This lady has never run into any of these issue and never will. The fact you claim she's lived a third of her life in a black woman's shoes shows you have a very delusional perception about the state of this countries race relations.

If someone needs to go through that list to be considered black I guess I should turn in my card yesterday. It's moot anyway, she has black kids, siblings and a black husband so she was already a member of the community and will have to worry about that stuff. That's why her lies are all the more confusing.

 

[Madness]

Well, that's the point isn't it? There's no real valid way for us to say "no this woman isn't black" because there's no way to define what black is to begin. It changes depending the interaction. I'd say it's more troubling for people to tell her what race she is like they know better. Race is self-defined on the census for a reason.

We do know better. She is a white woman named Rachel born in Montana to two white parents Ruth and Larry. To say we can't say that about her is an utter mindfuck to me. This hyper egalitarianism where nothing can be said to anyone, where personal thoughts and feeling triumph self-evident truths and reality is just crazy. She's not black, she never will be black.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Where are you getting 13 years from? In this news article her parents stay she started referring to herself as black in 2007 (when she would've been 29 years old).

Huh, that's my bad and I fully apologize. I thought I read 2002; so it's 8 years rather than 13. That doesn't change the point of the argument, though - you can't be a black woman for eight years, with every single other person perceiving you as black and treating you as such, without experiencing racial discrimination.

EDIT: The Guardian says 2004 - I'm fairly sure I've seen different sources floating around with different dates.

 

[Angryharlot]

So was the family just mad? This is funny as shit but the family really had no good reason to expose this.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Well, that's the point isn't it? There's no real valid way for us to say "no this woman isn't black" because there's no way to define what black is to begin. It changes depending the interaction. I'd say it's more troubling for people to tell her what race she is like they know better. Race is self-defined on the census for a reason.

Yes there is. In the same way we know that Emma Stone isn't Asian American.

 

[Freewheelin']

Well, that's the point isn't it? There's no real valid way for us to say "no this woman isn't black" because there's no way to define what black is to begin. It changes depending the interaction. I'd say it's more troubling for people to tell her what race she is like they know better. Race is self-defined on the census for a reason.

More troubling than what, her behaviour? A white woman, raised in a predominantly white area by white parents can identify as - not black, by the way - African/American? Because she has that right on the census?

 

[Cabbagehead]

So was the family just mad? This is funny as shit but the family really had no good reason to expose this.

Yes they do, shes a lair and they are done with her lying to everyone.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

What? She's been a black woman to everyone who has known her for thirteen years, she almost definitely has been affected by these issues. It's not like everyone else went "obvious white" and treated her like other white people, or we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Clearly, everyone else thought she was black, and therefore treated her like a black woman for those thirteen years - so yeah, she probably has experienced all of those awful things.

But she did it by choice. As mentioned in the CNN article, "It's not just her appropriation. It's that she claimed an oppression that wasn't hers," wrote user Charles Clymer.

Exact a mundo. I could care less she wants to be black. I care about her faking the struggle. It lessens the real fight, makes it seem trivial that she could make a choice then flip back at any moments notice.

I can't make that choice. I don't have the privilege to make that choice. Thats where the problem is honestly. Full Stop. I was given this skin and I love it to death and I accept everything that comes with it. Thats my choice.

Had this lady just kept it real, I think she would have done more good as a white women with the NAACP. Its not unheard of and honestly black folks didn't obtain civil rights alone. We needed every bit of help from respectable and honest white people of this country to move forward.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Just another example of the government trying to destroy the black community.

 

[KingK]

We've explained it, you're just rejecting those explanations because you keep saying "but look! I can just switch out words and make you say something you didn't!" as if that were some kind of legitimate point you're making.

If you don't understand transgender issues, and you don't understand how this could be offensive, and you genuinely want to understand the difference, MAYBE don't start rejecting the explanations given to you simply because you don't feel like they're satisfying to you, and maybe don't get argumentative toward actual transgendered people who are saying "cut it out, you're being offensive".

I don't think any of my posts have shown anything but genuine confusion/curiosity and a desire to better understand. At least that's what I've been trying to portray. I absolutely understand how what this woman did could be offensive. I was offended when I read the OP for the fourth time and realized it wasn't satire. Then I read the last couple pages and saw Crab's posts and I started to wonder a.)whether it is even possible to identify/see one's self as another race in the same way some people do with gender and b.)if that is possible, whether it should be treated the same as transgender.

The posts I was linked to all criticized her for lying, which, fair enough, but she would obviously never be accepted so I would understand keeping it secret in the same sense that a lot of transgender people keep it secret. So no, that didn't seem like a valid argument. They also criticized her for reducing black identity to stereotypes, which is a common criticism of transgender women, although I'm open to the idea that the criticism could hold more weight here than for gender, especially in this woman's specific case judging by some of the other stuff she's written/done (wrt the fake harassment things).

Somebody later brought up the point that who you're parents are/your family heritage plays a much bigger role in racial identity than gender identity, which I think is a very good point that helps distinguish the two issues. But all I really know abut transgender is that some people feel that they are not the same gender as the sex of the body they were born in, and want to change their sex to reflect how they feel. I don't know if there's any sort of brain chemical/biological component, when trans people usually know they're trans, the academic intricacies of gender identity, etc., which is why I was asking for people better informed to provide some additional explanation.

MAYBE don't respond to genuinely curious people looking to be better informed with a bunch of hostility.

 

[Madness]

Huh, that's my bad and I fully apologize. I thought I read 2002; so it's 8 years rather than 13. That doesn't change the point of the argument, though - you can't be a black woman for eight years, with every single other person perceiving you as black and treating you as such, without experiencing racial discrimination.

Spokane Washington isn't Ferguson Missouri. She likely never even faced real discrimination, especially seeing as how there are numerous issues with all the hate crime complaints she's lodged. Additionally she also has the benefit of growing up white.

Also, she wasn't a black woman for 8 years, you can't be something you're not. Putting on some bronzer and getting your hair braided doesn't make you a black woman. I literally do not know why you do not understand this. You even said you're not American, so I'm assuming you're white/European? Why are you sticking up for this manipulative liar who is rightfully being called out?

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

If someone needs to go through that list to be considered black I guess I should turn in my card yesterday. It's moot anyway, she has black kids, siblings and a black husband so she was already a member of the community and will have to worry about that stuff. That's why her lies are all the more confusing.

The list doesn't define being black, just what may come with the title

 

[Cabbagehead]

Exact a mundo. I could care less she wants to be black. I care about her faking the struggle. It lessens the real fight, makes it seem trivial that she could make a choice then flip back at any moments notice.

I can't make that choice. I don't have the privilege to make that choice. Thats where the problem is honestly. Full Stop. I was given this skin and I love it to death and I accept everything that comes with it. Thats my choice.

Had this lady just kept it real, I think she would have done more good as a white women with the NAACP. Its not unheard of and honestly black folks didn't obtain civil rights alone. We needed every bit of help from respectable and honest white people of this country to move forward.

Preach

 

[QuicheFontaine]

Huh, that's my bad and I fully apologize. I thought I read 2002; so it's 8 years rather than 13. That doesn't change the point of the argument, though - you can't be a black woman for eight years, with every single other person perceiving you as black and treating you as such, without experiencing racial discrimination.

EDIT: The Guardian says 2004 - I'm fairly sure I've seen different sources floating around with different dates.

Yeah, doesn't really change anything substantively, but I'm just trying to nail the dates down here.

 

[Slayven]

Exact a mundo. I could care less she wants to be black. I care about her faking the struggle. It lessens the real fight, makes it seem trivial that she could make a choice then flip back at any moments notice.

I can't make that choice. I don't have the privilege to make that choice. Thats where the problem is honestly. Full Stop. I was given this skin and I love it to death and I accept everything that comes with it. Thats my choice.

Had this lady just kept it real, I think she would have done more good as a white women with the NAACP. Its not unheard of and honestly black folks didn't obtain civil rights alone. We needed every bit of help from respectable and honest white people of this country to move forward.

Ummm tell them

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Exact a mundo. I could care less she wants to be black. I care about her faking the struggle. It lessens the real fight, makes it seem trivial that she could make a choice then flip back at any moments notice.

I can't make that choice. I don't have the privilege to make that choice. Thats where the problem is honestly. Full Stop. I was given this skin and I love it to death and I accept everything that comes with it. Thats my choice.

Had this lady just kept it real, I think she would have done more good as a white women with the NAACP. Its not unheard of and honestly black folks didn't obtain civil rights alone. We needed every bit of help from respectable and honest white people of this country to move forward.

Yeah, that's fair. As I said earlier, this is the part I'm super uncomfortable with - her lying to others about her background. I can understand why, in part - nobody wants to be the object of ridicule - but I also understand why that's pretty wounding to people from that background.

Can I generalize it though, and give you a situation? Suppose you have a young woman who does wake up in the morning, sees herself in the mirror, and immediately knows that her skin colour is *wrong* - it's not hers/who she is. This is recent - she's felt like this for some time. She probably didn't realize immediately it was her skin-tone and instead just spent her adolescence feeling uncomfortable generally, but as she's grown older she's identified why she always feels wrong with her own body. What should she do in this situation?

 

[Freewheelin']

Say she's out at night and runs into two fucking neo-Klansmen or some shit, and they give her hassle because she's perceived to be black. They might threaten her, chase her. You reckon her perception of herself would extend to that? Keeping up the charade, or turning around and saying "hey, I'm actually white!"

Because black people can't do that. They don't have that choice. it's not even as if she was so fucking devoted she asked for permanent skin pigmentation or whatever scientific shit you could come up with. She puts some bronzer on every day. That's it. That's her way of identifying herself as an African American.

 

[Damerman]

Why have the people around her let her get this far, even if she is doing good things in the world.

this train of thought is absolutely wrong and needs to be adjusted.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Can I generalize it though, and give you a situation?

Nah. I don't think you can, honestly. Because that doesn't really apply here.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Yeah, that's fair. As I said earlier, this is the part I'm super uncomfortable with - her lying to others about her background. I can understand why, in part - nobody wants to be the object of ridicule - but I also understand why that's pretty wounding to people from that background.

Can I generalize it though, and give you a situation? Suppose you have a young woman who does wake up in the morning, sees herself in the mirror, and immediately knows that her skin colour is *wrong* - it's not hers/who she is. This is recent - she's felt like this for some time. She probably didn't realize immediately it was her skin-tone and instead just spent her adolescence feeling uncomfortable generally, but as she's grown older she's identified why she always feels wrong with her own body. What should she do in this situation?

Okay are you literally trying to say they she was born black in white skin? What is this fuckery type thinking. This is some mental gymnastics.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Spokane Washington isn't Ferguson Missouri. She likely never even faced real discrimination, especially seeing as how there are numerous issues with all the hate crime complaints she's lodged. Additionally she also has the benefit of growing up white.

Are you saying that if you spend 8 years in Spokane, you won't bump into racists? Seriously?

Also, she wasn't a black woman for 8 years, you can't be something you're not. Putting on some bronzer and getting your hair braided doesn't make you a black woman. I literally do not know why you do not understand this. You even said you're not American, so I'm assuming you're white/European? Why are you sticking up for this manipulative liar who is rightfully being called out?

You're not even listening to what I'm saying. I'm saying that *other people thought she was*. Therefore, for those 8 years or 11 years or 13 years or however, long it was, *other people treated her like she was*. She probably understands racial discrimination relatively well at this point, or at least better than people who have lived that life for no years.

I'm white/European. I'm also a minority in a way I'd prefer not to disclose on GAF, and it wouldn't be relevant to my argument in either case. I'm sticking up for her because there is a possibility that she is uncomfortable in her own body and found a body she was comfortable with; I've explained that multiple times. If she's making it up for attention; I think she needs urgent mental treatment and agree it is disturbing; there is also a probability she's not.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Huh, that's my bad and I fully apologize. I thought I read 2002; so it's 8 years rather than 13. That doesn't change the point of the argument, though - you can't be a black woman for eight years, with every single other person perceiving you as black and treating you as such, without experiencing racial discrimination.

EDIT: The Guardian says 2004 - I'm fairly sure I've seen different sources floating around with different dates.

Here:

Dolezal’s mother, Ruthanne Dolezal, said Thursday by phone from her home in Northwest Montana that she has had no contact with her daughter in years. She said her daughter began to “disguise herself” in 2006 or 2007

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/jun/11/board-member-had-longstanding-doubts-about-truthfu/

I believe you read something into that Guardian piece that isn't actually stated:

They claim that she began to adapt her appearance following her divorce in 2004.

It says her DIVORCE was in 2004. It doesn't actually say that 2004 was when she started changing her appearance. Just after that event. Regardless, she was well into her adult life in her late 20s whenever she started this.

 

[braves01]

So was the family just mad? This is funny as shit but the family really had no good reason to expose this.

That's what it seems like to me notwithstanding the kindly fishy hate mail. Seems like she'd made a pretty smooth transition before her family dispute stirred this up. She seems sincere in her identification.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Okay are you literally trying to say they she was born black in white skin? What is this fuckery type thinking. This is some mental gymnastics.

You have people with phantom limbs, people who have limbs that don't belong to them, people who don't identify with their body's sex, people who feel like their body is someone else's, people who feel like their appearance is someone else's (BDD), and you're questioning whether there are people who can feel like their skin is wrong? The human brain is weird as fuck.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

Can I generalize it though, and give you a situation? Suppose you have a young woman who does wake up in the morning, sees herself in the mirror, and immediately knows that her skin colour is *wrong* - it's not hers/who she is. This is recent - she's felt like this for some time. She probably didn't realize immediately it was her skin-tone and instead just spent her adolescence feeling uncomfortable generally, but as she's grown older she's identified why she always feels wrong with her own body. What should she do in this situation?

You may not like my answer.

Just be yourself man. You can hate yourself any which way. You can get any type of body mod surgery possible to become the way you want to look but it will never help your situation.

It will never help because that shit starts from deep inside. If you truly aren't happy, you have to find what makes you happy. Find out what is the core root of your being and work out from there. Once you find out who you truly are, then nobody else can tell you different and no other external stigma will affect you.

One of the very rare true facts of this world, IMO.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Can I generalize it though, and give you a situation?

no

 

[Anoregon]

Well, that's the point isn't it? There's no real valid way for us to say "no this woman isn't black" because there's no way to define what black is to begin. It changes depending the interaction. I'd say it's more troubling for people to tell her what race she is like they know better. Race is self-defined on the census for a reason.

This... is kind of nonsense. If a 6 foot 6 dude walks around telling everyone that he is short, that's not some choice that he gets to identify as. It's just factually incorrect. "Deciding" what race you is understandable for people of mixed parentage/ancestry, and their experience dictates that, but beyond that it's pretty ludicrous. It just becomes co-opting and demeaning.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

no

Thank you for that revealing and insightful post. A+, would read again, brilliant comment.

 

[Aaronology]

Spokane Washington isn't Ferguson Missouri. She likely never even faced real discrimination, especially seeing as how there are numerous issues with all the hate crime complaints she's lodged.

Also, she wasn't a black woman for 8 years, you can't be something you're not. Putting on some bronzer and getting your hair braided doesn't make you a black woman. I literally do not know why you do not understand this. You even said you're not American, so I'm assuming you're white/European? Why are you sticking up for this manipulative liar who is rightfully being called out?

Let me preface my post by saying I'm not defending her. Dolezal is clearly in the wrong and my personal opinion is the woman needs help of the serious nature. But her outting has spawned a lot of interesting discussion because... aha, when has this happened before?

If she was perceived as black by black & white people and consequently treated as a black woman, behaved as a black woman, dealt with black issues directly and indirectly via her husband/kids/siblings who are black themselves then is it accurate to say she lived as a black woman? I think so.

I've never thought of Obama as anything but a black guy, regardless of what percentage his heritage isn't. If someone identifies as black, is perceived as black by others (with all that entails), and has black heritage then they're black in my book. Dolezal failed that last little bit, true, but no one knew that but her.

 

[Freewheelin']

This... is kind of nonsense. If a 6 foot 6 dude walks around telling everyone that he is short, that's not some choice that he gets to identify as. It's just factually incorrect. "Deciding" what race you is understandable for people of mixed parentage/ancestry, and their experience dictates that, but beyond that it's pretty ludicrous. It just becomes co-opting and demeaning.

ding ding ding

 

[numble]

Yeah, that's fair. As I said earlier, this is the part I'm super uncomfortable with - her lying to others about her background. I can understand why, in part - nobody wants to be the object of ridicule - but I also understand why that's pretty wounding to people from that background.

Can I generalize it though, and give you a situation? Suppose you have a young woman who does wake up in the morning, sees herself in the mirror, and immediately knows that her skin colour is *wrong* - it's not hers/who she is. This is recent - she's felt like this for some time. She probably didn't realize immediately it was her skin-tone and instead just spent her adolescence feeling uncomfortable generally, but as she's grown older she's identified why she always feels wrong with her own body. What should she do in this situation?

Claim her brother is her son?
Claim a different man is her father?
File false police reports about discrimination?
Speak of how her "ancestors" had their rights violated?

 

[Madness]

You're literally talking nothing though. Making up hypotheticals about this poor tragic woman who has grown up looking in mirrors seeing someone shes not and romanticizing it as if it's real.

As a white/european I don't know how you'll ever understand this woman cannot and will not ever be black. There is no such thing as transracial and transethnicity. You can wish to be whatever you want, doesn't mean it's true.

You're sticking up for her with almost zero evidence, zero life experience on what it means to be black in America, zero awareness of the issues in these communities. And yet you want to give out weird generalizations based on your own feelings.

 

[JDSN]

Yeah, that's fair. As I said earlier, this is the part I'm super uncomfortable with - her lying to others about her background. I can understand why, in part - nobody wants to be the object of ridicule - but I also understand why that's pretty wounding to people from that background.

Can I generalize it though, and give you a situation? Suppose you have a young woman who does wake up in the morning, sees herself in the mirror, and immediately knows that her skin colour is *wrong* - it's not hers/who she is. This is recent - she's felt like this for some time. She probably didn't realize immediately it was her skin-tone and instead just spent her adolescence feeling uncomfortable generally, but as she's grown older she's identified why she always feels wrong with her own body. What should she do in this situation?

She should get a CT scan right away.

The diagnosis of body and gender disphoria is really dificult to make, there are many many disseases both physical and mental to discard before you get to it, with some transgender people having to visit physians for over two years and seeing their reaction to hormones before even putting the surgery card on the table. There is nothing about transracial people in current medical literature that I know of, there is some stuff about races and estetic surgery but its mostly related to things like internalized racism, which are more prone to happen to minorities.

But even with an open mind on the subject and with the evidence show, im more likely to believe this person is a liar.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

She didn't just walk around with white skin saying "I'm black", she modified her appearance to suit to the best of her abilities. The relevant analogy is a tall guy getting spinal surgery so that he goes from 6'6'' to 5'6'' - at which point, yes, he is short.

 

[Kreed]

Yeah, that's fair. As I said earlier, this is the part I'm super uncomfortable with - her lying to others about her background. I can understand why, in part - nobody wants to be the object of ridicule - but I also understand why that's pretty wounding to people from that background.

Can I generalize it though, and give you a situation? Suppose you have a young woman who does wake up in the morning, sees herself in the mirror, and immediately knows that her skin colour is *wrong* - it's not hers/who she is. This is recent - she's felt like this for some time. She probably didn't realize immediately it was her skin-tone and instead just spent her adolescence feeling uncomfortable generally, but as she's grown older she's identified why she always feels wrong with her own body. What should she do in this situation?

Skin color attraction/preference is a social construct. This scenario you're describing wouldn't happen without social influence telling her that her skin tone is better or worse than another skin tone. In addition, there is a lot more to ethnicity than hair color and hair texture. If she wanted to get a tan, she could do that without wanting to change her ethnicity.

This is not the same as people within the LGBT community, which I believe you are trying to make a comparison to, which has science behind it as to why your scenario can and does happen in their community.

 

[Freewheelin']

She didn't just walk around with white skin saying "I'm black", she modified her appearance to suit to the best of her abilities. The relevant analogy is a tall guy getting spinal surgery so that he goes from 6'6'' to 5'6'' - at which point, yes, he is short.

She curled her hair and put some fucking bronzer on. That's equivalent to walking around like you're doing the limbo.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Get an MRA.

The diagnosis of body disphoria is really dificult to make, there are many many disseases both physical and mental to discard before you get to it, with some transgender people having to visit physians for over two years and seeing their reaction to hormones before even putting the surgery card on the table. There is nothing about transracial people in current medical literature that I know of, there is some stuff about races but its mostly related to things like internalized racism, which are more prone to happen to minorities.

But even with an open mind and the subject, im more likely to believe that this woman is a liar.

See, I agree with this post, basically completely. I think this woman needs medical attention urgently. I also think it's more probable than not she's a liar - although, given the depth of her commitment to the lie, it probably represents a mental disorder in and of itself. The only difference is that I'm not going to call it a lie until someone with the relevant qualifications on mental disorders and the such comes out and says so, because, on the chance it isn't a lie... well, I wouldn't want to be her reading these last 20 pages.

 

[DECK'ARD]

She didn't just walk around with white skin saying "I'm black", she modified her appearance to suit to the best of her abilities. The relevant analogy is a tall guy getting spinal surgery so that he goes from 6'6'' to 5'6'' - at which point, yes, he is short.

Your posts are making my brain hurt.

 

[Wallach]

Can we just get a moratorium on analogies altogether in this fucking thread?

 

[SmokyDave]

She curled her hair and put some fucking bronzer on. That's equivalent to walking around like you're doing the limbo.

It worked though. She was exposed by her parents, not her community.

 

[Madness]

She didn't just walk around with white skin saying "I'm black", she modified her appearance to suit to the best of her abilities. The relevant analogy is a tall guy getting spinal surgery so that he goes from 6'6'' to 5'6'' - at which point, yes, he is short.

I really have to believe this is some expert level trolling here. Saying because there is the phenomenon of Phantom limbs, there has to be an explanation for people feeling their race is wrong? Are you really trying to say what she did is the same as an impossible scenario of spine cutting? It's like wtf are you doing or even arguing for?

 

[Anoregon]

She curled her hair and put some fucking bronzer on. That's equivalent to walking around like you're doing the limbo.

Or walking on your knees with little shoes on your kneecaps so you look like a dwarf.

 

[Trey]

shit, I was born #WrongFinacial, can I get my forty acres and a mule America this aint a joke b

nigga

 

[Bobby Roberts]

It's like wtf are you doing or even arguing for?

It's just severely misplaced sympathy/empathy.

 

[Freewheelin']

It worked though. She was exposed by her parents, not her community.

Genuinely boggles my mind. Has to be some sort of Emperor's New Clothes situation

 

[Bad_Boy]

im starting to see why my statements earlier in this thread were stupid. i take it all back.

this lady crazy af.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I really have to believe this is some expert level trolling here. Saying because there is the phenomenon of Phantom limbs, there has to be an explanation for people feeling their race is wrong? Are you really trying to say what she did is the same as an impossible scenario of spine cutting? It's like wtf are you doing or even arguing for?

I'm not saying it's the same as a spine-cutting analogy, I'm pointing out how that was a stupid analogy to begin with. She didn't just ask people to call herself black, she literally transformed herself to the best of her abilities into being a black woman, and lived like that for however many years. The transformation was sufficiently accurate that nobody caught on in almost a decade.

 

[beasty]

I dont have a problem with her doing this. From what I read it doesnt seem like she is hurting anyone.

I just wish she was more honest about what she is doing. You gonna open yourself up to attacks and criticism when you lie and continue to lie.