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[methane47]

This is would be nice in a bubble, but please, say "well this could be the case and science has figured it out yet!" is not an argument.

If we have no evidence of these things, then that means we have no evidence. Sure we could all be ignorant, but we need evidence to back up our claims, not "well maybe evolution is fake because scientists change their mind sometimes"

And this is all ignoring the fact that there are basically literally 0 known mental differences between different races that aren't related to the culture they grew up in. Maybe that will change eventually, but unless you have evidence to back you up, you cant make those claims

Hmmm I'm not trying to be her defense force, Neither am I trying to say that Trans-ethnic is definitely a thing. Something similar happens in our society already where people completely disregard being the ethnicity that everyone sees them as. Is that ALL self hate? or could there be something more?

You seem to say "science hasn't figured it out as yet isn't an argument". But by this reasoning, anyone born in the wrong body before like 1950 would be considered what? Someone to be ridiculed? Ostracized? For how they felt in their hearts and minds? My point is that maybe there's no evidence because no one has looked?
In my life I've changed my mind on homosexuals and transgendered and transexuals. I wont be so quick to ridicule anyone for who they believe they are anymore.

But all that is a conscious choice by the individuals because they do not like the society they live in, the don't like cultural differences of their 'native' race, they are consciously choosing to not associate with things they do not like, which is completely different to Transgender people, they feel that they weren't born in the correct body and have felt wrong for years, they didn't just decide when they were mature enough "oh i don't like how men are in society i'm going to be a woman" (or vise versa)
Whilst yes i accept that there are similarities on a very basic level in that one person doesn't feel right, but thats as close as it gets

Is it a conscious choice though? I don't think that Tiger Woods one day woke up and said.... hmmm I'm not black... I'm asian. Just like I dont think that Mariah Carey woke up one day and said ... hmm you know what I'm black.
Its just how the person feels and to me there are a lot of similarities between this and homosexuality/gender identity.

Even when she identifies as black she still enjoys the white privilege of everyone defending her stupid ass.

Ouch lol Really good post i must admit.

 

[devilhawk]

Let's review this once again for the scholars who conflate this issue with being transgendered:

Your gender is not inherently determined by your DNA. The color of your skin is. Your gender identity is formed and influenced by your sense of identity in a metaphysical sense. The difference here is you are going against the grain of society's social construct. You reject them. I'm feminine, for example, and I do not need society to tell me that I can't feel feminine because of my DNA/ biological construct.

Metaphysics? Come the fuck on.

I bet every person's gender can be explained by genetics and epigenetics. But what do I know, I'm just a lowly cancer geneticist.

 

[JDSN]

Hmmm I'm not trying to be her defense force, Neither am I trying to say that Trans-ethnic is definitely a thing. Something similar happens in our society already where people completely disregard being the ethnicity that everyone sees them as. Is that ALL self hate? or could there be something more?

You seem to say "science hasn't figured it out as yet isn't an argument". But by this reasoning, anyone born in the wrong body before like 1950 would be considered what? Someone to be ridiculed? Ostracized? For how they felt in their hearts and minds? My point is that maybe there's no evidence because no one has looked?
In my life I've changed my mind on homosexuals and transgendered and transexuals. I wont be so quick to ridicule anyone for who they believe they are anymore..

No sorry, there is nothing more, its internalized hate that causes this couple it with social interactions. Making an hypotetical and saying that somewhere in the future people will figure out there is a black gene doesnt mean you have to set up a question with no basis on reality that also happens discard already existing scientific data about it.

 

[collige]

Metaphysics? Come the fuck on.

I bet every person's gender can be explained by genetics and epigenetics. But what do I know, I'm just a lowly cancer geneticist.

I highly doubt this, especially considering how many different gender identities and expressions there are. Is there even any evidence at all that gender has a genetic basis?

 

[Cap'n Cook]

To the people making the Jenner comparison, I could see where you're coming from, it's kind of an easy comparison, but then I read this http://www.12news.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/06/11/spokane-naacp-president-questions/71101474/

Rachel Dolezal was born in Troy, Montana. Ruthanne and Larry Dolezal said their daughter has always identified with the African American culture and had black siblings who were adopted. They said she went to school in Mississippi and was part of a primarily African American community.

You might read it and think to yourself well there you go, she has always felt she identifies with black people and grew up around black people since a child. I read it and thought, well if she grew up with just white siblings and was part of a primarily white community would she feel the same? I highly doubt it. Trans people will be trans no matter what environment they grow up in.

 

[Jarate]

Hmmm I'm not trying to be her defense force, Neither am I trying to say that Trans-ethnic is definitely a thing. Something similar happens in our society already where people completely disregard being the ethnicity that everyone sees them as. Is that ALL self hate? or could there be something more?

You seem to say "science hasn't figured it out as yet isn't an argument". But by this reasoning, anyone born in the wrong body before like 1950 would be considered what? Someone to be ridiculed? Ostracized? For how they felt in their hearts and minds? My point is that maybe there's no evidence because no one has looked?
In my life I've changed my mind on homosexuals and transgendered and transexuals. I wont be so quick to ridicule anyone for who they believe they are anymore.



Is it a conscious choice though? I don't think that Tiger Woods one day woke up and said.... hmmm I'm not black... I'm asian. Just like I dont think that Mariah Carey woke up one day and said ... hmm you know what I'm black.
Its just how the person feels and to me there are a lot of similarities between this and homosexuality/gender identity.

You dont wake up one day and "feel" like being trans or gay. You are literally born that way. Even with that in mind, race isn't similar to those things at all. Race is literally a set of biological differences that are physical that manifest themselves based off of where they are that we as a society created to help seperate and categorize people.

You can't wake up and "choose" to be black because there's literally 0 mental reasons too. There's 0 differences between how a black mans brain operates and how a white mans brain operates. And the only way they would be similar is that if you were to admit that there are literal mental differences between a black person and a white person. Which, maybe science hasnt found that shit yet, but since there's no evidence to prove that not only do we have different mental capabilities then people of other races, but that someone can literally be born in the wrong, It's hard for me to agree that they are in anyway similar

I highly doubt this, especially considering how many different gender identities and expressions there are. Is there even any evidence at all that gender has a genetic basis?

yes and it was posted earlier in the thread, there are literally inherent differences in the way that men and women think.

 

[raebodep]

Can i be a trans vegetable?

Pretending you're in a coma?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

You can't think of any reason to find someone wanting to be a different skin color as horrific? Here's a hypothetical: Imagine if we lived in a world where people of a certain skin color were deemed by people of another skin color who wield great power as less than human and unworthy of respect and dignity. I know it's a stretch, but just try to imagine how those people might be made to feel so badly about themselves that they'd sometimes wish to be born a different color because they know life would be easier, that they'd rather not live in envy and terror of people of a different skin color. Do you think that scenario might be bad?

Responding by PM, again. Probably easier for people responding to me to just skip posting it in the thread.

 

[dankir]

So I have a few questions

- Did she break any laws?

- Was she actually effective at her job and got shit done for colored people in Spokane

- There have been white people leading NAACP branches so does she keep her job?

 

[methane47]

Metaphysics? Come the fuck on.

I bet every person's gender can be explained by genetics and epigenetics. But what do I know, I'm just a lowly cancer geneticist.

what does being a cancer geneticist have to do with defining gender though lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgqM6xeZHNM

 

[Slayven]

Can i be a trans vegetable?

no but you can be a trans fat.

 

[Cabbagehead]

http://jezebel.com/when-rachel-dole..._source=jezebel_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

It’s the day after Rachel Dolezal blew up Twitter and thoroughly confused people. Who was this white woman pretending to be black, we all wondered, so black she became the president of the Spokane, Washington NAACP? Where did she come from? Well, she came, in part, from the historically black Howard University.

Dolezal graduated from Howard with her Masters in Fine Art in 2002 alongside an administration source at the university who spoke to Jezebel on Friday under the condition of anonymity. When I called the school to confirm Dolezal had attended and graduated from the predominantly African American institution, the man who answered the phone had no idea about the social media firestorm Dolezal had ignited but he remembered her name.

“I know her and I remember her husband who went to medical school here,” he told Jezebel after he confirmed her graduation date over the phone. “All of her time has been controversial here, like when she presented her thesis.”

Dolezal’s final thesis was a series of paintings presented from the perspective of a black man and the late Dean Tritobia Benjamin, a formidable scholar whose specialty was black women in the arts, wanted to know how Dolezal felt qualified to tell this type of story as a white woman.

“Her thesis presented an inner journey of what goes on inside the mind of a black male,” he said. “This was ten years ago but I still remember one was a three dimensional piece of a man was being consumed by a fire all the way into the ground. The rest of her work were two dimensional paintings.”

Dolezal’s reverse passing—new term! new term!—would not have been tolerated at Howard, says our source along with another Howard graduate named Shannon Washington, who took a class with Dolezal in the early aughts. Besides, Dolezal looked white back then.

“She had straight, blonde hair,” he said.

“She didn’t look the way she looks now at all in school, that’s why when I initially saw the story I didn’t recognize her!” Washington told Jezebel. “She looks about three shades darker.”

While at Howard, Washington took an experimental studio course with Dolezal who was an MFA student-teacher at that time.

“She was a good teacher and never came off as ‘trying’ to be black to me,” said Washington. “She was Rachel, a white woman who could paint really well. She painted Black people but, being at Howard, I saw it as her painting the world around her. No one asked about her ethnicity because we didn’t need to. No one assumed she was black.”

 

[The Technomancer]

I've refrained from commenting because of just how fucking weird this whole thing is

 

[devilhawk]

I highly doubt this, especially considering how many different gender identities and expressions there are. Is there even any evidence at all that gender has a genetic basis?

Absolutely. Epigenetics and gender is a huge emerging field.

Epigenetics in itself is fairly new. I highly doubt but a few people on this forum even know what it is. It involves things beyond the simple DNA code that effects what genes are transcribed or inhibited. Epigenetics undoubtedly explains gender.

what does being a cancer geneticist have to do with defining gender though lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgqM6xeZHNM

I just wanted to be honest and say that I am not a gender geneticist. But I sure as hell know more about genetics than the poster talking about fucking metaphysics.

Edit: An authoritative fallacy comment in reply to my post dismissing metaphysics? hahahaha

 

[collige]

You dont wake up one day and "feel" like being trans or gay. You are literally born that way. Even with that in mind, race isn't similar to those things at all. Race is literally a set of biological differences that are physical that manifest themselves based off of where they are that we as a society created to help seperate and categorize people.

You can't wake up and "choose" to be black because there's literally 0 mental reasons too. There's 0 differences between how a black mans brain operates and how a white mans brain operates. And the only way they would be similar is that if you were to admit that there are literal mental differences between a black person and a white person. Which, maybe science hasnt found that shit yet, but since there's no evidence to prove that not only do we have different mental capabilities then people of other races, but that someone can literally be born in the wrong, It's hard for me to agree that they are in anyway similar



yes and it was posted earlier in the thread, there are literally inherent differences in the way that men and women think.

I'm not disputing the differences in brain scans between people who identify as men vs. women, I'm specifically arguing that there's no evidence that this difference is borne from genetics. Biological != genetic.

Regardless, I think this essentialist approach to talking about gender identity is a dangerously conservative way of thinking about gender issues.

 

[J10]

Responding by PM, again. Probably easier for people responding to me to just skip posting it in the thread.

Don't bother. It won't go through. If you're not gonna reply here I won't see it.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Not much I can do, then.

 

[Jarate]

I'm not disputing the differences in brain scans between people who identify as men vs. women, I'm specifically arguing that there's no evidence that this difference is borne from genetics. Biological != genetic.

Regardless, I think this essentialist approach to talking about gender identity is a dangerously conservative way of thinking about gender issues.

Im sorry that facts, and evidence are "essentialist" and "conservative" but that's literally what you need to back up a claim that can be, and has been proven before

I think your argument is similar to a person who doesnt believe in Evolution, it's ignorant of factual data that exists in the real world

And the issue was that she "identified herself as black" its that she lied herself to a position that probably depended a lot on the basis of her struggles as a "black women."

 

[Agent Gibbs]

Is it a conscious choice though? I don't think that Tiger Woods one day woke up and said.... hmmm I'm not black... I'm asian. Just like I dont think that Mariah Carey woke up one day and said ... hmm you know what I'm black.
Its just how the person feels and to me there are a lot of similarities between this and homosexuality/gender identity.

but Tiger Woods has Asian decent, Mirah Carey has African decent....they are already of that race, although mixed with others, they have the luxury of that back ground to draw from - This woman is White and she's chosen to be black. I can't comment on your previous examples, with out reference to their ethnicity and gemological back grounds

I am of English, French, German and Irish decent, i decided to adopt french culture and try to look french* i could because i am of french decent, if i suddenly decided i am Japanesse and started to alter my appearance accordingly i'd be rightfully ridiculed

*my example falls down a little there, how would i look french? adopt all the stereotypical traits? in a sort of casual racist way? you could however say that this woman did that herself, she chose what she perceived to be black hair styles and culture aspects in addition to the blatant skin pigment changes, casual racism really

I just think the differences between transgender & homosexuality (is that really getting brought into this now) are far greater than any similarities between any perceived transracial elements, i mean you are born gay or trans, you can't be born transracial that is based on your perceived interpretation and preferences to society, i'd argue if you prefer black skin tones its just that, a preference, nothing in your brain dictates you have should have a certain skin tone

 

[Bold One]

My mind is still exploding

 

[Mass One]

There's alot of things wrong with whole situtaions and reactions. My main issue is with the whole black thing itself. Unless I'm mistaken, she didn't invent a time machine to travel back in time and made one of her ancestor mate with a african who was aboard the middle passage? She isn't black and never was. There isn't enough magic in hogwarts that can change that.

She could have felt black? Sure, it is extremely apparent that she did but that doesn't make it good or right. What she did was take some stereotypes about whatever it means to be black and make a person about. It definitely trivializes being black if you can just get bronze tanner and go to stylist.

I find this all kinds of sad. Like if Denzel Washington announced he was asian. How many stereotypes would it take for Denzel to become korean. Professor at KAIST? Doesn't sleep with the fan on? Loves Seoul Food?

 

[JeTmAn81]

This story is national news today. It's actually #2 on my Google news homepage (not tailored), right after "Democrats reject Obama on trade". Amazing.

 

[maquiladora]

Can i be a trans vegetable?

I have heard that some otherkin do identify as non-animal or even inanimate objects. Though it's hard to tell when some are trolling and others are serious about it.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Can i be a trans vegetable?

You mean pizza?

 

[methane47]

No sorry, there is nothing more, its internalized hate that causes this couple it with social interactions. Making an hypotetical and saying that somewhere in the future people will figure out there is a black gene doesnt mean you have to set up a question with no basis on reality that also happens discard already existing scientific data about it.

I wouldn't say some where in the future. Doesn't every human on the planet have sub-saharan DNA in their blood?

You dont wake up one day and "feel" like being trans or gay. You are literally born that way. Even with that in mind, race isn't similar to those things at all. Race is literally a set of biological differences that are physical that manifest themselves based off of where they are that we as a society created to help seperate and categorize people.

You can't wake up and "choose" to be black because there's literally 0 mental reasons too. There's 0 differences between how a black mans brain operates and how a white mans brain operates. And the only way they would be similar is that if you were to admit that there are literal mental differences between a black person and a white person. Which, maybe science hasnt found that shit yet, but since there's no evidence to prove that not only do we have different mental capabilities then people of other races, but that someone can literally be born in the wrong, It's hard for me to agree that they are in anyway similar

yes and it was posted earlier in the thread, there are literally inherent differences in the way that men and women think.

Ok given the fact that every human being on the planet is related.
How much percent black do you need to be so that from the day you could differentiate race you felt that you were the wrong one?

Does Barack obama being black 50% mean he able to believe he himself is black?
What about 25% black?
15% black

All humans have a black "gene" somewhere in their DNA. If you can believe someone can be born trans because of their genetic make up. even before they can perceive gender. Don't you think its possible to feel you are a different race because of genetics as well?

I mean if this chick with straight hair and freckles is black. Then WHO AM I to tell her no? WHO AM I to tell a person how they should or shouldn't consider themselves?

 

[Cap'n Cook]

I just watch a segment on CNN, apparently she claims that her biological parents would beat and abuse her because the color of her skin. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!?!?!?!

 

[OnPoint]

The only thing I can think of

She's like the real-life female analog to J-Roc

 

[collige]

Im sorry that facts, and evidence are "essentialist" and "conservative" but that's literally what you need to back up a claim that can be, and has been proven before

I think your argument is similar to a person who doesnt believe in Evolution, it's ignorant of factual data that exists in the real world

And the issue was that she "identified herself as black" its that she lied herself to a position that probably depended a lot on the basis of her struggles as a "black women."

What are you talking about? I, being generally ignorant of the study of epigenetics, specifically challenged devilhawk's assertion that genetics could totally explain the existence of transgenderism. The differences between genders are not what I'm debating, the cause is and that's totally up in the air from a scientific perspective AFAIK. The woman from the OP has nothing to do with this either.

 

[Trotski7]

Next thing you know, Dio is going to unmask himself as Barack Obama.

 

[FortuneFaded]

I believe this story is just the tip of the iceberg. There's probably plenty of white people masquerading as black. In fact, when I watched the Wu-Tang Clan on the Daily Show, I swear the member on the right is not black:

 

[Jarate]

I believe this story is just the tip of the iceberg. There's probably plenty of white people masquerading as black. In fact, when I watched the Wu-Tang Clan on the Daily Show, I swear the member on the right is not black:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedy_(rapper)

 

[Cabbagehead]

I wouldn't say some where in the future. Doesn't every human on the planet have sub-saharan DNA in their blood?



Ok given the fact that every human being on the planet is related.
How much percent black do you need to be so that from the day you could differentiate race you felt that you were the wrong one?

Does Barack obama being black 50% mean he able to believe he himself is black?
What about 25% black?
15% black

All humans have a black "gene" somewhere in their DNA. If you can believe someone can be born trans because of their genetic make up. even before they can perceive gender. Don't you think its possible to feel you are a different race because of genetics as well?

I mean if this chick with straight hair and freckles is black. Then WHO AM I to tell her no? WHO AM I to tell a person how they should or shouldn't consider themselves?

Look at her parents.

 

[RP912]

My mind is still exploding

dude...you just don't know. This is some Mel Brooks type of shit.

 

[KingK]

Usually one of the best things to do if you are ignorant is to consider "Maybe what im posting could be offensive" if it is, then you should honestly ask nicely in the thread what the differences are, or use a google to search to figure it out. People are going to be upset for you conlfating the two, because it is very offensive to trans persons, and really all you needed to do was google this before possibly posting something ignorant and hurtful

I dont expect everyone to be knowledgeable on all subjects, but if I wanted to discuss something that I know might possibly offend someone, I should be ready with actual knowledge and evidence before the start of that discussion.

I mean, the bold is literally what I did (I even noted that my initial reaction to the story was to think it was offensive) and it still took pages for anyone to give me an actual answer. I don't believe at any point I definitively conflated the two as opposed to genuinely asking for the difference, and if anyone finds something I posted offensive, I'd like them to point it out so that I know. I think every post I made explicitly said that I was asking for people to provide a good explanation on why they are different, that I felt instinctively that they were different and couldn't articulate why, but that I hadn't yet seen a good rebuttal to the points Crab was raising which were causing me to doubt my initial reaction.

Learning that trans people biologically have the brain of a different gender definitely makes it pretty damn clear. And as I've also said, I think the reason I originally felt uncomfortable with the story before I knew that, is that I still knew biological differences between male and female brains exist. So it made more sense to be able to feel like an opposite gender as opposed to a different race, where there are no real biological differences to feel or emulate.

But I'll stop talking about this as I feel it's getting off topic.

 

[Crocodile]

She literally paused the game, went into life's settings and changed the Difficultly level from Easy to Ready to Die.

omg this is gold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKRj_h7vmMM&t=8m16s

Interviewer: "are you african-american?"

Rachel: "I...I dont understand the question"

Interviewer: "Are your parents white?"

*walks off*

racist elementary school teacher flips her shit on Facebook

police shut down two little girls lemonade stand

naacp leader falls into a vat of chocolate pudding and decided to roll with it

this whole day has be one big SNL episode

THE PLOT THICKENS

So lets keep this rolling...

Brehs....her husband wrote a rap song about her

HE MADE AN R&B CUT FOR HER TOO

Apparently from a fashion show she attended.

BREHS! IT'S NOT EVEN FRIDAY!

My last dig at her because, she is clearly not right in the head (and I'm actually beginning to feel sorry for her):



This woman went deep deep undercover.

This is SSJ4 white guilt folks.

Done

this is my stop... i can't even begin to explain how backwards that is, never mind the amount of levels that this transcends.

I'm not gonna lie, i think this woman solved racism and she has transcended into a being that is utterly, unequivocally and irrevocably inscrutable. this is just... nah, this is my stop, i gotta go.

Evilore was in on it.

11 pages into this thread and I eventually had to stop. Dear Lord Almighty O_O

Also quoting this because I agree with it:

It's one thing to genuinely want to improve civil rights, to feel a connection to a different culture. It's quite another when you flat out lie about your own heritage, your father, and try to pass yourself off as someone you're not. She's reduced black women to a caricature. She thinks they either have kinky hair afros like this or braids like this, trying to darken her skin so she appears black. Some of her tweets she's acting like she's been a victim herself, lying about threats. This does nothing for anyone. In fact, that Tyreese tweet she's actually talking down to him and warning him about marrying a white woman, when she herself is a white woman married to a black man.

How can she sit there on a soapbox and talk about what it's like to be black in America when she isn't? Just because you date people of colour or marry them, doesn't give you a free pass to speak for them or their experiences. Be an ally to people of colour, don't co-opt their experiences as your own and pretend you know what you're talking about.

Someone said it's the same as people of colour wanting to be white. No its not. People of colour in white societies have to try and assimilate otherwise they are marginalized forever. If the Sikh doesn't cut his hair or shave his beard, he is considered a terrorist. Many people of colour have to change their names, they have to downplay their religion, their culture. This woman, despite being afforded all the privilege of being a white woman in the US wants to also accept the burdens and challenges of being black in America. But she's not and she won't be. She's made a lucrative career out of this false victimization in a sense. But how is a leader in an organization called 'national association for the advancement of colored people' going to reduce colored people down to stereotypes? She wears 'black' as if it's a costume. 'Time for me to go to work, go get my bronzer'. I wouldn't be surprised if she also didn't co-opt some speech patterns or pretend to speak in ebonics as well.

 

[Black-Wind]

I think everyone should care about it. 1. She lied. 2. She said a lot of denigrating things about black men and women all while carrying out her little farce. 3. She apparently staged multiple hate crimes for the sake of feeling good about her deception.

How familiar are you with this story, though? I mean, you're already basically just guessing at key aspects of it.

I mean, in the abstract, maybe it sounds like it could be kosher. But she's drafting strangers to pose as her father, she's claiming her adopted brother as her son, she's apparently falsifying harrassment claims, so on and so forth.

So not only is she not benefiting the community through her position of influence, she's going out of her way to belittle it in multiple instances, and she's being *very* shady about it as well.

People lie about their past all the time. Like ... is there just flat out no case of a transgendered person lying about their past if they can pass and are post-op? It's just easier in some cases than explaining stuff if you're trying to live a new life and I get that.
(and before someone bites my head off I'm not exactly comparing her to trans folk. It is a decent example imo, like someone lying about where they were raised because they want to appear to be from a different group and live a different life. People lie, news at 9)

And again, I'm not saying she's normal. She's a whacky ass lady, that's clear. IMO the "So not only is she not benefiting the community through her position of influence, she's going out of her way to belittle it in multiple instances" stuff should speak more about the NAACP than her.

I'm not gonna jump on her for the base topic here (presenting herself as a different "race").

 

[excelsiorlef]

I just watch a segment on CNN, apparently she claims that her biological parents would beat and abuse her because the color of her skin. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!?!?!?!

What the fuck does that even mean. Is she now claiming she got beat for being white by her white parents? Or is she saying she git beat for being black (which she is not)? What the hell.

 

[Cabbagehead]

People lie about their past all the time. Like ... is there just flat out no case of a transgendered person lying about their past if they can pass and are post-op? It's just easier in some cases than explaining stuff if you're trying to live a new life and I get that.
(and before someone bites my head off I'm not exactly comparing her to trans folk. It is a decent example imo, like someone lying about where they were raised because they want to appear to be from a different group and live a different life. People lie, news at 9)

And again, I'm not saying she's normal. She's a whacky ass lady, that's clear. IMO the "So not only is she not benefiting the community through her position of influence, she's going out of her way to belittle it in multiple instances" stuff should speak more about the NAACP than her.

I'm not gonna jump on her for the base topic here (presenting herself as a different "race").

 

[methane47]

I just watch a segment on CNN, apparently she claims that her biological parents would beat and abuse her because the color of her skin. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!?!?!?!

LOL jeezus

 

[Stevetopsy]

It's probably misplaced, but I can't help but feel really bad for her. I think it's obvious that "being african american" is very important to her for whatever reason and it's probably how she feels most comfortable. It must feel like her whole world has come crashing down now that this is out in the open. What a crazy story though.

 

[JDSN]

I just watch a segment on CNN, apparently she claims that her biological parents would beat and abuse her because the color of her skin. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!?!?!?!

Who are we to tell her that this choice she made might have be influenced by abuse that caused her to reject her parents, race included? After all she is transethnic so any explanation, alternate theory or common sense instantly go out of the window when imposibilities based on ignorance becomes realities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedy_(rapper)

It was a joke, he was talking about Jordan Keppler who pretended to be group during the interview.

 

[Robot Pants]

Can I laugh?

 

[J10]

I just watch a segment on CNN, apparently she claims that her biological parents would beat and abuse her because the color of her skin. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!?!?!?!

So her parents thought she wasn't black enough and that's why they adopted a bunch of black kids. It's all starting to make sense. They were trying to start a plantation. She joined the NAACP to combat them.

 

[Aaronology]

There it fucking is.

It's like a biological reflex. It's as if some people can't help it.

Let's be clear. Are you two calling half the people having this discussion closet racists?

Speak plainly.

 

[wildfire]

I glossed over this thread so many times because I thought it was a joke title or something but...

Wow.

I don't even know what to think about this.

I wish Devo still used this forum at times like this.

 

[methane47]

Who are we to tell her that this choice she made might have be influenced by abuse that caused her to reject her parents, race included? After all she is transethnic so any explanation, alternate theory or common sense instantly go out of the window when imposibilities based on ignorance becomes realities.

Aren't these the same exact arguments used against gays?

- Weren't born that way
- Its not natural
- You were abused.
- She doesn't really think she's black, she's just pretending [edit: added]

 

[poppabk]

I thought it was a ridiculous example as well. No one would think a black albino is white because by features alone they are not Caucasian.

Seems a strange thread to make that argument in.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Aren't these the same exact arguments used against gays?

- Weren't born that way
- Its not natural
- You were abused.

We don't even know if that's the truth.

 

[NumberTwo]

So her parents thought she wasn't black enough and that's why they adopted a bunch of black kids. It's all starting to make sense. They were trying to start a plantation. She joined the NAACP to combat them.

This reads a lot like a pitch for a film. Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?

TOTAL SPECULATION:

I almost think it started as her being intensely interested in African culture and art, motivating her to dress and do her hair the way she did, and it just snow balled from there.

African Culture. Not. Even. Once. Fox News reports. You decide.

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

I just watch a segment on CNN, apparently she claims that her biological parents would beat and abuse her because the color of her skin. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!?!?!?!

She's still lying is what's going on.