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[The Silver]

Skin condition didn't force him bleach his entire body and straighten his hair and file is nose down to a razor blade edge!



I failed!

are you serious? MJ didn't start going around claiming he was now a white man, he didn't start lying about his parents race, he didn't claim "white heritage" for himself. what he did to his body is irrelevant

 

[Aaronology]

I already did.

I don't have any problem calling a spade a spade. If I was accusing anyone of racism, there'd be no confusion in my words.

Anything else you'd like to clear up, friend?

Yes.

You've said people are giving Rachel Dolezal's deception a pass because she is white. Can you point to where that has happened in this thread, Chie?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Only after she passes the NAT (N*gga Aptitude Test). Sample test questions below:

I know none of these answers and I hope the answer to the last question is E. It's the only one I feel like I have a good guess on. The dude in the 3rd question is from...Friday, right? That's A or B.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Tim wise is proof that you can advocate on behalf of black people without coopting race

True, but she doesn't want to be white, she wants to be black.

 

[KingK]

On Gaming Side. Check for threads about PSP games with elderly demons.

LOL! I feel kinda bad because I'm becoming more and more convinced that this woman is mentally unstable the more information comes out, but some of the posts in this thread are fucking hilarious.

I want to know too, cause folks keep saying this. is it truly progressive if you can only understand a black woman's struggle is if she is a white woman?

Can we please stop with the subtle implications that everyone who was "defending" her or not immediately accusing her of being a terrible human being are actually racists? This is legitimately a bizarre and confusing situation. Plus I'm pretty sure I recognize a good chunk of the posters here from police brutality threads in the past (specifically Crab, I think), and they certainly weren't on the #notallcops side or anything so I doubt there's anything in most of the posts histories to back up the assertion.

 

[JDSN]

I know none of these answers and I hope the answer to the last question is E. It's the only one I feel like I have a good guess on.

The first one is probably pasta but that can be done by logic,no idea about the second one.

 

[Cabbagehead]

True, but she doesn't want to be white, she wants to be black.

to bad, outside of surgery we don't often get what we want.

 

[Aaronology]

LOL! I feel kinda bad because I'm becoming more and more convinced that this woman is mentally unstable the more information comes out, but some of the posts in this thread are fucking hilarious.



Can we please stop with the subtle implications that everyone who was "defending" her or not immediately accusing her of being a terrible human being are actually racists? This is legitimately a bizarre and confusing situation. Plus I'm pretty sure I recognize a good chunk of the posters here from police brutality threads in the past (specifically Crab, I think), and they certainly weren't on the #notallcops side or anything so I doubt there's anything in most of the posts histories to back up the assertion.

It's not even subtle at this point.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Plus I'm pretty sure I recognize a good chunk of the posters here from police brutality threads in the past (specifically Crab, I think), and they certainly weren't on the #notallcops side or anything so I doubt there's anything in most of the posts histories to back up the assertion.

Thank you for that.

 

[wildfire]

Times like these, I wish Mike was still alive, would love to hear him talk about this shit.

(Look up Michael Teasly JSU. I'd link, but phone. We were friends before he died.)

Best article I could find that wasn't about his death.

http://whitereference.blogspot.com/2010/12/michael-teasley-becomes-first-white.html

 

[DoktorEvil]

Welp, she is now seen as a liar and a fraud.

Lying about hate crimes perpetrated against the NAACP, even going to the point of staging a few, is definitely a fireable offense.

 

[Slayven]

LOL! I feel kinda bad because I'm becoming more and more convinced that this woman is mentally unstable the more information comes out, but some of the posts in this thread are fucking hilarious.



Can we please stop with the subtle implications that everyone who was "defending" her or not immediately accusing her of being a terrible human being are actually racists? This is legitimately a bizarre and confusing situation. Plus I'm pretty sure I recognize a good chunk of the posters here from police brutality threads in the past (specifically Crab, I think), and they certainly weren't on the #notallcops side or anything so I doubt there's anything in most of the posts histories to back up the assertion.

when folks stop trivializing what it is to be a black woman in America.

 

[Ke0]

Tim wise is proof that you can advocate on behalf of black people without coopting race

Yea, I like his stuff.

 

[methane47]

My comment was more aimed at the "open minded" (as you call them extreme liberals) people calling her transracial, or suggesting "if she feels black, she's black".

As in, they're so open minded, they're failing to see reason. So you could say, I was trying to be rude against the "extreme liberals" (or rather, make a joke at their expense) and not the women in the OP, who might have serious issues.

Well i guess i would be one of those extreme liberals.
But i guess it stems from me growing up in the Caribbean. Here where black people are a majority, sometimes white and asian people who live here "feel black", "act black" and for all intents and purposes to society... are black...

I've had numerous white friends who consider ME not black enough!

Back in those days i just assumed 'blackness' was being accepted in our society. But what if it was deeper than that, what if they really FELT like they weren't the skin colour they were born with?

 

[excelsiorlef]

Best article I could find that wasn't about his death.

http://whitereference.blogspot.com/2010/12/michael-teasley-becomes-first-white.html

Why did you just link to a white supremacist blog?

Why are we getting links to Breitbart and White Nationalists now?

 

[deadlast]

holy shit at the #AskRachel. I'm dying here.


I almost died.
https://twitter.com/_MariahCarter/status/609424708019171328

 

[Agent Gibbs]

Skin condition didn't force him bleach his entire body and straighten his hair and file is nose down to a razor blade edge!

That cannot be serious, if it is this isn't jumping the shark its getting in a rocket ship and leaving orbit over the shark
MJ had Vitiligo and (although i don't think its confirmed but assumed) he had his entire skin colour correct, rather than have the blotchy patches, his nose surgery was just him having nose surgery. At no point did he then say he was white, claim white heritage and denounce his parents, like this woman did (n reverse)

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Yes.

You've said people are giving Rachel Dolezal's deception a pass because she is white. Can you point to where that has happened in this thread, Chie?

I'm at work, and I don't have the time or the energy to go back through this thread for 35 pages and point out examples. I agreed with the idea that her privilege gives her the ability to put on her costume and actually have people defend her. I've touched on that in my post above.

 

[MIMIC]

I saw the "What should be wiped down?" on #AskRachel and fucking LOST IT xD

 

[Aaronology]

Lying about hate crimes perpetrated against the NAACP, even going to the point of staging a few, is definitely a fireable offense.

Even if that wasn't, she's toxic now. Who would want to work with a person who has exhibited such an insane level of dishonesty and for so long?

I'm leaning further into the mentally ill camp as more and more stories about her surfaces.

 

[Highwind]

Just......

LMFAO!

I still can't believe this shit hours later.

What a week this has been.

 

[JordanN]

That cannot be serious, if it is this isn't jumping the shark its getting in a rocket ship and leaving orbit over the shark
MJ had Vitiligo and (although i don't think its confirmed but assumed)

Edit: Misread post (thought you said his vitiligo was unconfirmed)

 

[Do Better]

Is this really black face?

She darkened her skin with makeup to appear as a black woman. Maybe it wasn't with malicious intent, but she definitely put on black face.

 

[Katori]

Like a lot of points being made here, I think AskRachel is pretty funny but trivializes race. I can answer all of those questions correctly but am white (as in, European, Jewish, and a little NA) as far back as I can trace and would never claim otherwise. I identify as white because the vast majority of my genetic background is white, I have no basis to identify as black or anything else. Just like this lady doesn't.

The NAACP's statement is nice but seems a little pandering. Of course non-Black people can be allies or whatever (or, of course, represent the NAACP), but this lady lied for years and clearly has mental problems (yes, I'd be willing to open that can of worms again).

And to those of you bringing up MJ...SMDH. It's not the same thing remotely, etc.

She darkened her skin with makeup to appear as a black woman. Maybe it wasn't with malicious intent, but she definitely put on black face.

This.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

True, but she doesn't want to be white, she wants to be black.

That's the point of my post

 

[family_guy]

This is like the reverse skit of Clayton Bigsby on the Chapelle show.

 

[soundahfekz]

holy shit at the #AskRachel. I'm dying here.


I almost died.
https://twitter.com/_MariahCarter/status/609424708019171328

LMAO

 

[Cagey]

Like a lot of points being made here, I think AskRachel is pretty funny but trivializes race. I can answer all of those questions correctly but am white (as in, European, Jewish, and a little NA) as far back as I can trace and would never claim otherwise.

Dude. What are you doing! If we can pass the test, we've got n-word privilege.

Only after she passes the NAT (N*gga Aptitude Test). Sample test questions below:

If I pass a god damn multiple choice test I've been unknowingly prepping for, I can rap along in my car without having to do the patented White Guy "Turn Down For #Imnotracist" at traffic lights if the song is uncensored.

Don't you fucking ruin this for me. I need this.

 

[USC-fan]

She's adopting an identity that isn't hers. She's putting on a costume of blackness and co-opting a culture that she might be empathetic to, but that she has no actual identity with. She's talking down to black men (Tyrese) and women (if that social media posting of the girl that was in her class is to be believed) about blackness and black issues as a white woman, masquerading as a black woman, while married to a black man. I suppose if we're trying to define it exactly, "blackface" might not be the best term, but it's certainly as wrong as that, and probably even worse given my above examples. She doesn't get to decide what being black is and lecture people about it.

It's still a hilarious story, but it's outrageously offensive that people here and other places are legitimately trying to give her a pass, as if any good that she might have done makes this okay.

oh i completely understand the issues and agree with you.

 

[EatinOlives]

It's still a hilarious story, but it's outrageously offensive that people here and other places are legitimately trying to give her a pass, as if any good that she might have done makes this okay.

I want to say the "acceptance" about her behavior is a completely misguided application of what people have been proposing around LGBT acceptance issues. It's why LGBT acceptance keeps coming up in every damn page of the thread despite there being dozens of posts going to great detail explaining why the two aren't related.

I've maintained for a while that LGBT acceptance is in this weird state of limbo, where a lot of people are claiming to be accepting of everyone no matter the gender or sexuality, but they're not really in touch with what this movement actually means. It's superficial acceptance at best and has become a bandwagon of sorts of a bunch of people who want to be on the right side of history so therefore they're accepting everything and anything.

This woman's behavior is hurtful, deceitful, dishonest, and offensive, but people are still tripping over themselves trying their hardest to think of reasons why we should accept her behavior ("I don't see what the big deal is, she's not doing any harm!!" even though she is), only because the arguments they're reading here against this woman's behavior "kind of" "sort of" look like the arguments against transgender people if you squint hard enough and kinda tilt your head a little. People arguing this are showcasing their own superficial understanding of why they claim to be pro-LGBT in the first place. Hell, we got people simultaneously claiming "this is just like transgender issues!" and "well maybe she's mentally ill!" in one argument, just throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks, completely oblivious to the fact that by making that argument they're dangerously close to calling transgender people "mentally ill" and that "we shouldn't deride them for being mentally ill".

I would hope that people who are fiercely progressive at least know what they're being progressive about. A lot of people in this thread are conflating a bunch of different movements into one thinking they're helping but they're actually doing the exact opposite.

 

[family_guy]

As someone else said it was confirmed.

My oldest son has vitiligo. He's dark enough for it to show up, but thus far, we've raised him to be proud of it, not ashamed of it. He can decide when he's older if he wants to bleach his skin, which is the only treatment for the condition.

We always joke that if my middle son had it, we'd never know. He takes after his daddy, and is super pale

I'm not sure of the severity of your son's condition but it can be treated without bleaching. UV Therapy is one option. It's expensive though.

 

[The Adder]

Best article I could find that wasn't about his death.

http://whitereference.blogspot.com/2010/12/michael-teasley-becomes-first-white.html

That's a shitty link.

The Clarion Ledger had a good article on him, but it's behind a paywall now.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I want to say the "acceptance" about her behavior is a completely misguided application of what people have been proposing around LGBT acceptance issues. It's why LGBT acceptance keeps coming up in every damn page of the thread despite there being dozens of posts going to great detail explaining why the two aren't related.

I've maintained for a while that LGBT acceptance is in this weird state of limbo, where a lot of people are claiming to be accepting of everyone no matter the gender or sexuality, but they're not really in touch with what this movement actually means. It's superficial acceptance at best and has become a bandwagon of sorts of a bunch of people who want to be on the right side of history so therefore they're accepting everything and anything.

This woman's behavior is hurtful, deceitful, dishonest, and offensive, but people are still tripping over themselves trying their hardest to think of reasons why we should accept her behavior ("I don't see what the big deal is, she's not doing any harm!!" even though she is), only because the arguments they're reading here against this woman's behavior "kind of" "sort of" look like the arguments against transgender people if you squint hard enough and kinda tilt your head a little. People arguing this are showcasing their own superficial understanding of why they claim to be pro-LGBT in the first place. Hell, we got people simultaneously claiming "this is just like transgender issues!" and "well maybe she's mentally ill!" in one argument, just throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks, completely oblivious to the fact that by making that argument they're dangerously close to calling transgender people "mentally ill" and that "we shouldn't deride them for being mentally ill".

I would hope that people who are fiercely progressive at least know what they're being progressive about. A lot of people in this thread are conflating a bunch of different movements into one thinking they're helping but they're actually doing the exact opposite.

This is a fair point and something that I need to consider in retrospect. Thank you.

 

[methane47]

That cannot be serious, if it is this isn't jumping the shark its getting in a rocket ship and leaving orbit over the shark
MJ had Vitiligo and (although i don't think its confirmed but assumed) he had his entire skin colour correct, rather than have the blotchy patches, his nose surgery was just him having nose surgery. At no point did he then say he was white, claim white heritage and denounce his parents, like this woman did (n reverse)

Soooooo you don't think michael was trying to look like a Caucasian person?
My post about MJ was partly in jest but still....

 

[Mumei]

I want to say the "acceptance" about her behavior is a completely misguided application of what people have been proposing around LGBT acceptance issues. It's why LGBT acceptance keeps coming up in every damn page of the thread despite there being dozens of posts going to great detail explaining why the two aren't related.

I've maintained for a while that LGBT acceptance is in this weird state of limbo, where a lot of people are claiming to be accepting of everyone no matter the gender or sexuality, but they're not really in touch with what this movement actually means. It's superficial acceptance at best and has become a bandwagon of sorts of a bunch of people who want to be on the right side of history so therefore they're accepting everything and anything.

This woman's behavior is hurtful, deceitful, dishonest, and offensive, but people are still tripping over themselves trying their hardest to think of reasons why we should accept her behavior ("I don't see what the big deal is, she's not doing any harm!!" even though she is), only because the arguments they're reading here against this woman's behavior "kind of" "sort of" look like the arguments against transgender people if you squint hard enough and kinda tilt your head a little. People arguing this are showcasing their own superficial understanding of why they claim to be pro-LGBT in the first place. Hell, we got people simultaneously claiming "this is just like transgender issues!" and "well maybe she's mentally ill!" in one argument, just throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks, completely oblivious to the fact that by making that argument they're dangerously close to calling transgender people "mentally ill" and that "we shouldn't deride them for being mentally ill".

I would hope that people who are fiercely progressive at least know what they're being progressive about. A lot of people in this thread are conflating a bunch of different movements into one thinking they're helping but they're actually doing the exact opposite.

Thank you.

 

[Dai101]

holy shit at the #AskRachel. I'm dying here.


I almost died.
https://twitter.com/_MariahCarter/status/609424708019171328

DED

 

[Paganmoon]

Well i guess i would be one of those extreme liberals.
But i guess it stems from me growing up in the Caribbean. Here where black people are a majority, sometimes white and asian people who live here "feel black", "act black" and for all intents and purposes to society... are black...

I've had numerous white friends who consider ME not black enough!

Back in those days i just assumed 'blackness' was being accepted in our society. But what if it was deeper than that, what if they really FELT like they weren't the skin colour they were born with?

Not really the same thing, that's appropriating a culture, cause you live it. I've lived in Sweden all my life, but my parents weren't born here, hell I wasn't born here either, but I consider myself Swedish.
I'm culturally Swedish. And I feel like a Swede, I think like one. I however, don't consider myself blond and blue-eyed. And I don't feel very blonde or blue-eyed either.

The lady in the OP changed how she looks to the degree as to try to fool others, and maybe even herself, she presented a black man as her father, and so on. So no, I don't see how that relates to the situation you grew up in.

 

[Mass One]

New season of Blackish.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

.

 

[excelsiorlef]

That's a shitty link.

The Clarion Ledger had a good article on him, but it's behind a paywall now.

It's literally a White Nationalist blog. Beyond shitty lol. What the fuck is going on in this thread

 

[Agent Gibbs]

Soooooo you don't think michael was trying to look like a Caucasian person?
My post about MJ was partly in jest but still....

In the same way that anyone else who has that disease bleaches their skin to have a uniform skin colour, they aren't trying to become Caucasian they are just trying to have a single colour skin and achieve the normality they lost as best they can

I did think you were partly in jest, i get the similarity to an extent, but its worlds apart from this

 

[Azih]

Soooooo you don't think michael was trying to look like a Caucasian person?
My post about MJ was partly in jest but still....

I personally think MJ was vain or more likely felt pressured to have an attractive look and bleaching was the only way not to have patchy skin.

But really guessing at the man's motivation is kinda nonsense.

 

[bobbychalkers]

Black Twitter is amazing

 

[The Silver]

Well i guess i would be one of those extreme liberals.
But i guess it stems from me growing up in the Caribbean. Here where black people are a majority, sometimes white and asian people who live here "feel black", "act black" and for all intents and purposes to society... are black...

I've had numerous white friends who consider ME not black enough!

Back in those days i just assumed 'blackness' was being accepted in our society. But what if it was deeper than that, what if they really FELT like they weren't the skin colour they were born with?

They aren't "acting black" they are acting as apart of the culture they grew up in, no one "acts" whatever race they are, stop conflating culture with race.

You think they aren't white people in the US who grew up in ghettos along side a majority of blacks? Eminem is very much a product of urban culture, he's white, he doesn't claim to be black or is seen as "acting black" that's just how he is.



That last sentence, "what if what if what if", all a bunch of what ifs based on nothing. And lastly so what if they feel unformtable in their skin color? Do whatever the fuck you want to your body, that doesn't change your heritage. An albino black person is not suddenly a white person.

 

[methane47]

Not really the same thing, that's appropriating a culture, cause you live it. I've lived in Sweden all my life, but my parents weren't born here, hell I wasn't born here either, but I consider myself Swedish.
I'm culturally Swedish. And I feel like a Swede, I think like one. I however, don't consider myself blond and blue-eyed. And I don't feel very blonde or blue-eyed either.

The lady in the OP changed how she looks to the degree as to try to fool others, and maybe even herself, she presented a black man as her father, and so on. So no, I don't see how that relates to the situation you grew up in.

Indeed. Let me say again, I'm not saying forsure one way or another. I'm just not ready to ridicule or make fun of a person for how they feel.

She's clearly a liar and a terrible person for that, especially to her parents and other family and I do have issues with how she represented herself AS a black person, but I do not have an issue with her FEELING like a black person though. Even if that meant taking it to the extreme and dressing up "like" one.

That last sentence, "what if what if what if", all a bunch of what ifs based on nothing. And lastly so what if they feel unformtable in their skin color? Do whatever the fuck you want to your body, that doesn't change your heritage. An albino black person is not suddenly a white person.

I'm saying "What if" because i'm not in that person's brain and can't speak on their behalf. But if they tell me they are black, that they feel black, then what am I to say? NO you are NOT black? Why should i care how someone feels about themselves?

 

[wildfire]

It's literally a White Nationalist blog. Beyond shitty lol. What the fuck is going on in this thread

If you don't like the article suggest one instead of bitching. Noone else could be bothered putting more than the 1 minute effort of google scanning I did.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I want to say the "acceptance" about her behavior is a completely misguided application of what people have been proposing around LGBT acceptance issues. It's why LGBT acceptance keeps coming up in every damn page of the thread despite there being dozens of posts going to great detail explaining why the two aren't related.

I've maintained for a while that LGBT acceptance is in this weird state of limbo, where a lot of people are claiming to be accepting of everyone no matter the gender or sexuality, but they're not really in touch with what this movement actually means. It's superficial acceptance at best and has become a bandwagon of sorts of a bunch of people who want to be on the right side of history so therefore they're accepting everything and anything.

This woman's behavior is hurtful, deceitful, dishonest, and offensive, but people are still tripping over themselves trying their hardest to think of reasons why we should accept her behavior ("I don't see what the big deal is, she's not doing any harm!!" even though she is), only because the arguments they're reading here against this woman's behavior "kind of" "sort of" look like the arguments against transgender people if you squint hard enough and kinda tilt your head a little. People arguing this are showcasing their own superficial understanding of why they claim to be pro-LGBT in the first place. Hell, we got people simultaneously claiming "this is just like transgender issues!" and "well maybe she's mentally ill!" in one argument, just throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks, completely oblivious to the fact that by making that argument they're dangerously close to calling transgender people "mentally ill" and that "we shouldn't deride them for being mentally ill".

I would hope that people who are fiercely progressive at least know what they're being progressive about. A lot of people in this thread are conflating a bunch of different movements into one thinking they're helping but they're actually doing the exact opposite.

This is one of the most patronizing posts I have ever read on GAF, bar none.

 

[Reishiki]

I want to say the "acceptance" about her behavior is a completely misguided application of what people have been proposing around LGBT acceptance issues. It's why LGBT acceptance keeps coming up in every damn page of the thread despite there being dozens of posts going to great detail explaining why the two aren't related.

I've maintained for a while that LGBT acceptance is in this weird state of limbo, where a lot of people are claiming to be accepting of everyone no matter the gender or sexuality, but they're not really in touch with what this movement actually means. It's superficial acceptance at best and has become a bandwagon of sorts of a bunch of people who want to be on the right side of history so therefore they're accepting everything and anything.

This woman's behavior is hurtful, deceitful, dishonest, and offensive, but people are still tripping over themselves trying their hardest to think of reasons why we should accept her behavior ("I don't see what the big deal is, she's not doing any harm!!" even though she is), only because the arguments they're reading here against this woman's behavior "kind of" "sort of" look like the arguments against transgender people if you squint hard enough and kinda tilt your head a little. People arguing this are showcasing their own superficial understanding of why they claim to be pro-LGBT in the first place. Hell, we got people simultaneously claiming "this is just like transgender issues!" and "well maybe she's mentally ill!" in one argument, just throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks, completely oblivious to the fact that by making that argument they're dangerously close to calling transgender people "mentally ill" and that "we shouldn't deride them for being mentally ill".

I would hope that people who are fiercely progressive at least know what they're being progressive about. A lot of people in this thread are conflating a bunch of different movements into one thinking they're helping but they're actually doing the exact opposite.

Ding ding ding.

On the bolded: This is because anti-transgender people use some really shitty arguments to tear down transgender identities.

 

[Wallach]

This is one of the most patronizing posts I have ever read on GAF, bar none.

A damn well deserved one after reading the last few pages of this shit, frankly.

 

[family_guy]

I was told he was supposed to avoid UV? I am so confused lol What does UV do?

It's mostly on his trunk and legs, some on his face, but not a ton. Creeping up his neck. It's very noticeable, but not as noticeable as it would be on someone who's black. He inherited my darker skin tone. :/

From the sun yes, but there are different spectrums as far as light goes. Treatment is usually combined with some topical ointment that makes the skin more susceptible to repigmentation. It doesn't work for everyone and can take 3-6 months to see significant improvement.