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NAACP Leader Exposed as White Woman in Blackface

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AkuMifune said:
It's called being educated, son.
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No, it's called assuming things you don't know about a person in an attempt to talk them down. How fucking dare you say that I have no knowledge about identity issues or being part of a minority group, when you have absolutely no knowledge about my personal situation whatsoever?
 
excelsiorlef said:
I thought you were done in here.
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I'm not making arguments any more, I'm pointing out that I am being talked down to by someone who is assuming things about me which aren't true, that it is deeply patronizing and borderline close to an attack on me as a person. I have absolutely no problem with someone disagreeing with any stances I talk, I take personal umbrage when they insist I have no idea what it is like to be in a minority situation.
 
EatinOlives said:
I want to say the "acceptance" about her behavior is a completely misguided application of what people have been proposing around LGBT acceptance issues. It's why LGBT acceptance keeps coming up in every damn page of the thread despite there being dozens of posts going to great detail explaining why the two aren't related.

I've maintained for a while that LGBT acceptance is in this weird state of limbo, where a lot of people are claiming to be accepting of everyone no matter the gender or sexuality, but they're not really in touch with what this movement actually means. It's superficial acceptance at best and has become a bandwagon of sorts of a bunch of people who want to be on the right side of history so therefore they're accepting everything and anything.

This woman's behavior is hurtful, deceitful, dishonest, and offensive, but people are still tripping over themselves trying their hardest to think of reasons why we should accept her behavior ("I don't see what the big deal is, she's not doing any harm!!" even though she is), only because the arguments they're reading here against this woman's behavior "kind of" "sort of" look like the arguments against transgender people if you squint hard enough and kinda tilt your head a little. People arguing this are showcasing their own superficial understanding of why they claim to be pro-LGBT in the first place. Hell, we got people simultaneously claiming "this is just like transgender issues!" and "well maybe she's mentally ill!" in one argument, just throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks, completely oblivious to the fact that by making that argument they're dangerously close to calling transgender people "mentally ill" and that "we shouldn't deride them for being mentally ill".

I would hope that people who are fiercely progressive at least know what they're being progressive about. A lot of people in this thread are conflating a bunch of different movements into one thinking they're helping but they're actually doing the exact opposite.
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Great post.
 
Crab said:
This is one of the most patronizing posts I have ever read on GAF, bar none.
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I dont agree with all of it and cant get how can you see it as patronizing. You on the other hand have taken an attitude of proposing the most outrageous theories and demanding that they prove them wrong, but only in a way you approve.
 
Crab said:
No, it's called assuming things you don't know about a person in an attempt to talk them down. How fucking dare you say that I have no knowledge about identity issues or being part of a minority group, when you have absolutely no knowledge about my personal situation whatsoever?
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It's your arguments that give it away. We don't need your social security number.
 
Reishiki said:
Ding ding ding.

On the bolded: This is because anti-transgender people use some really shitty arguments to tear down transgender identities.
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So if those arguments are terrible arguements for transgender identities. If those same exact arguments are used here, are they suddenly great, poignant, well thought out points?

I've seen in this thread
- She wasn't born that way (Many Caucasians if not all have some black dna in them)
- It was a choice
- Abused
- Just lashing out/rebelling against her parents/family
- Mentally ill
 
Crab said:
No, it's called assuming things you don't know about a person in an attempt to talk them down. How fucking dare you say that I have no knowledge about identity issues or being part of a minority group, when you have absolutely no knowledge about my personal situation whatsoever?
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Wait, I thought he was talking to someone else...
 
CassidyIzABeast said:
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...shut it down, people
 
EatinOlives said:
I want to say the "acceptance" about her behavior is a completely misguided application of what people have been proposing around LGBT acceptance issues. It's why LGBT acceptance keeps coming up in every damn page of the thread despite there being dozens of posts going to great detail explaining why the two aren't related.

I've maintained for a while that LGBT acceptance is in this weird state of limbo, where a lot of people are claiming to be accepting of everyone no matter the gender or sexuality, but they're not really in touch with what this movement actually means. It's superficial acceptance at best and has become a bandwagon of sorts of a bunch of people who want to be on the right side of history so therefore they're accepting everything and anything.

This woman's behavior is hurtful, deceitful, dishonest, and offensive, but people are still tripping over themselves trying their hardest to think of reasons why we should accept her behavior ("I don't see what the big deal is, she's not doing any harm!!" even though she is), only because the arguments they're reading here against this woman's behavior "kind of" "sort of" look like the arguments against transgender people if you squint hard enough and kinda tilt your head a little. People arguing this are showcasing their own superficial understanding of why they claim to be pro-LGBT in the first place. Hell, we got people simultaneously claiming "this is just like transgender issues!" and "well maybe she's mentally ill!" in one argument, just throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks, completely oblivious to the fact that by making that argument they're dangerously close to calling transgender people "mentally ill" and that "we shouldn't deride them for being mentally ill".

I would hope that people who are fiercely progressive at least know what they're being progressive about. A lot of people in this thread are conflating a bunch of different movements into one thinking they're helping but they're actually doing the exact opposite.
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Preach on
 
Can't believe people are trying to make Transracial/Transethnic a thing, FOH with that bullshit. Then she had the nerve to talk down to actual Black women who didn't live up to her standard of Blackness.
 
EatinOlives said:
I want to say the "acceptance" about her behavior is a completely misguided application of what people have been proposing around LGBT acceptance issues. It's why LGBT acceptance keeps coming up in every damn page of the thread despite there being dozens of posts going to great detail explaining why the two aren't related.

I've maintained for a while that LGBT acceptance is in this weird state of limbo, where a lot of people are claiming to be accepting of everyone no matter the gender or sexuality, but they're not really in touch with what this movement actually means. It's superficial acceptance at best and has become a bandwagon of sorts of a bunch of people who want to be on the right side of history so therefore they're accepting everything and anything.

This woman's behavior is hurtful, deceitful, dishonest, and offensive, but people are still tripping over themselves trying their hardest to think of reasons why we should accept her behavior ("I don't see what the big deal is, she's not doing any harm!!" even though she is), only because the arguments they're reading here against this woman's behavior "kind of" "sort of" look like the arguments against transgender people if you squint hard enough and kinda tilt your head a little. People arguing this are showcasing their own superficial understanding of why they claim to be pro-LGBT in the first place. Hell, we got people simultaneously claiming "this is just like transgender issues!" and "well maybe she's mentally ill!" in one argument, just throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks, completely oblivious to the fact that by making that argument they're dangerously close to calling transgender people "mentally ill" and that "we shouldn't deride them for being mentally ill".

I would hope that people who are fiercely progressive at least know what they're being progressive about. A lot of people in this thread are conflating a bunch of different movements into one thinking they're helping but they're actually doing the exact opposite.
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Thank you
 
EatinOlives said:
I want to say the "acceptance" about her behavior is a completely misguided application of what people have been proposing around LGBT acceptance issues. It's why LGBT acceptance keeps coming up in every damn page of the thread despite there being dozens of posts going to great detail explaining why the two aren't related.

I've maintained for a while that LGBT acceptance is in this weird state of limbo, where a lot of people are claiming to be accepting of everyone no matter the gender or sexuality, but they're not really in touch with what this movement actually means. It's superficial acceptance at best and has become a bandwagon of sorts of a bunch of people who want to be on the right side of history so therefore they're accepting everything and anything.

This woman's behavior is hurtful, deceitful, dishonest, and offensive, but people are still tripping over themselves trying their hardest to think of reasons why we should accept her behavior ("I don't see what the big deal is, she's not doing any harm!!" even though she is), only because the arguments they're reading here against this woman's behavior "kind of" "sort of" look like the arguments against transgender people if you squint hard enough and kinda tilt your head a little. People arguing this are showcasing their own superficial understanding of why they claim to be pro-LGBT in the first place. Hell, we got people simultaneously claiming "this is just like transgender issues!" and "well maybe she's mentally ill!" in one argument, just throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks, completely oblivious to the fact that by making that argument they're dangerously close to calling transgender people "mentally ill" and that "we shouldn't deride them for being mentally ill".

I would hope that people who are fiercely progressive at least know what they're being progressive about. A lot of people in this thread are conflating a bunch of different movements into one thinking they're helping but they're actually doing the exact opposite.
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This is good.
 
methane47 said:
So if those arguments are terrible arguements for transgender identities. If those same exact arguments are used here, are they suddenly great, poignant, well thought out points?

I've seen in this thread
- She wasn't born that way (Many Caucasians if not all have some black dna in them)
- It was a choice
- Abused
- Just lashing out/rebelling against her parents/family
- Mentally ill
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I don't know about the "abused" one but the others are either flat out reality or highly likely.
 
Fiction said:
Take a breath and come back to this later man. No use getting worked up enough to catch a ban.
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You're right, I'll delete that post. It wasn't worth rising to. Thank you, Fiction.
 
methane47 said:
So if those arguments are terrible arguements for transgender identities. If those same exact arguments are used here, are they suddenly great, poignant, well thought out points?

I've seen in this thread
- She wasn't born that way (Many Caucasians if not all have some black dna in them)
- It was a choice
- Abused
- Just lashing out/rebelling against her parents/family
- Mentally ill
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You know when I made those arguments I was demonstrating how people use those argument to dismiss transgender people right? And the abuse theory was me showing you how proposing something absurd and definitive like "transracial" actually gets in the way of making a closer examination to this situation because you might be pampering someone that needs help?

I even established in the same post that it was an ignorant idea. Not sure how you twisted that one.
 
Emperor_EL said:
Can't believe people are trying to make Transracial/Transethnic a thing, FOH with that bullshit. Then she had the nerve to talk down to actual Black women who didn't live up to her standard of Blackness.
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Give it 10 years. The way people are so PC now its a given.
 
I heard about this this morning on the Breakfast Club and a completely agree with Charlemagne. I grew up with enough "wiggers" in Atlanta that identified as black so I have no problem with that, but the fact she lied about being black is what we should call her out on.
 
Con_Smith said:
I heard about this this morning on the Breakfast Club and a completely agree with Charlemagne. I grew up with enough "wiggers" in Atlanta that identified as black so I have no problem with that, but the fact she lied about being black is what we should call her out on.
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Is there a link to what Charlemagne said about this?
 
She's obviously done good things and has fought for civil rights/justice in cities. I'll give her dap for that. Obviously pretending to be black is wack but at the same time...isn't it somewhat endearing that someone hated being white so much that they pretended to be black? Usually it's the other way around, historically, so perhaps we can look at Rachel and see progress.
 
It's one thing to stand for the equality of black folks and not make a fool of yourself. I understand what she was trying to do, but at the same time WTF was she thinking?
 
Emperor_EL said:
Can't believe people are trying to make Transracial/Transethnic a thing, FOH with that bullshit.
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It is really ridiculous how people actually compare this and otherkin to transgender communities. These phenomenons are spiritual with no scientific evidence to back up their claims, while being transgender has actual science behind it to explain it and how to deal with it. These stupid arguments are seriously insulting to the transgender community and is probably holding back progress because of it.
 
Ms.Galaxy said:
It is really ridiculous how people actually compare this and otherkin to transgender communities. These phenomenons are spiritual with no scientific evidence to back up their claims, while being transgender has actual science behind it to explain it and how to deal with it. These stupid arguments are seriously insulting to the transgender community and is probably holding back progress because of it.
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Not to mention creates moments were trans people are accused of having transition privilege which is something I got thrown at me (in person to my face) by someone who wanted to be a dragon
 
Ms.Galaxy said:
It is really ridiculous how people actually compare this and otherkin to transgender communities. These phenomenons are spiritual with no scientific evidence to back up their claims, while being transgender has actual science behind it to explain it and how to deal with it. These stupid arguments are seriously insulting to the transgender community and is probably holding back progress because of it.
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More research needs to be done on transethnic/transabled/etc. They just don't have the recognition/lobbying power yet to even get required scientific investigation done yet.
 
PhoenixDark said:
She's obviously done good things and has fought for civil rights/justice in cities. I'll give her dap for that. Obviously pretending to be black is wack but at the same time...isn't it somewhat endearing that someone hated being white so much that they pretended to be black? Usually it's the other way around, historically, so perhaps we can look at Rachel and see progress.
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My sentiments as well.
 
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