dgrdsv
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No, it's desperate when a representative of a company is saying "don't look too much into this" instead of providing a solid number which we can actually use for comparisons.
AMD Radeon Fury X Series | HBM, Small Form Factor And Water Cooling | June 16th
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No, it's desperate when a representative of a company is saying "don't look too much into this" instead of providing a solid number which we can actually use for comparisons.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
It's more likely "We're confirming this stuff tomorrow please stop speculating,"
Which is still stupid, just a different sort.
Kamakazie!
Member
Yes because he would be doing a great job if he distributed all the info they will be releasing in tomorrow's press conference a day early over twitter.
II just want to know whether it's worth waiting for the 300 / Fury series or grab something now.
Unknown Soldier
Member
This is silly, I've laid out in great detail why I don't think AMD's existence has any actual benefit in controlling prices. The way Intel has not dramatically raised prices over it's decade of dominance should be proof enough to anyone paying attention. AMD has not been performance competitive with Intel since the Core 2 Duo in 2006, and Intel has not raised prices in any meaningful manner all the way until now in 2015. I mean, how much more proof do you need that AMD's "competition" is superfluous to Intel's pricing?
Now in a more niche market like discrete GPUs, I will concede that Nvidia has more reason to raise prices than Intel would on x86 CPUs. That being said, Nvidia has had a commanding market share lead over AMD for also nearly a decade, not dominant in the sense that Intel has been, but Nvidia has consistently maintained a solid lead. And yet with the exception of the ultra-premium $1k+ Titan halo cards, the only additional tier we've seen added to the conventional $500 high end is the $650-700 high-end+ "Ti" tier seen in the 780 Ti and 980 Ti, and only in the past few years. The $330-ish GTX 970 is one of the best values in years at the mainstream performance segment. Again, Nvidia's pricing has not been meaningfully affected by AMD's "competition".
My arguments are pretty sound and based on historical market pricing. When I say AMD is not necessary for "competition", I back it up with evidence. Where's the evidence that all the people have to support AMD being "necessary" for competitive pricing? Because I'm not seeing any, quite frankly.
Desperate, really? Because he didn't break NDA and drop all the numbers on twitter?
Just wait 24 hours...
dgrdsv
Member
Then maybe he should wait 24 hours instead of making vague statements like this as well? No one is thinking that Fury X will pull all the juice of two 8-pin connectors. Nobody who knows anything is even suggesting this. The question is - will it pull more than 980Ti/Titan X and what performance will it bring us.
Well, there's the empirical fact that every time AMD launches a new set of cards, NVIDIA drops the prices on their stuff to stay competitive.
I mean, that pretty much is literally what people are talking about.
IchigoSharingan
Member
When you put it that way, it's almost hilarious anyone would come to that conclusion.
anchorman128
Member
lol Mkenyon bringing the heat. Not to mention the price and relatively small gap between the 980ti and the Titan X was reactionary to rumors about the Fury XT. I don't know how anyone can say that the competition between these two isn't good for GPU consumers as a whole/
Captain Chaos
Member
Quiet today on the AMD news front.
Can Lisa pull an ace card or do we know everything already - Tomorrow is a big day for AMD.
Can Lisa pull an ace card or do we know everything already - Tomorrow is a big day for AMD.
Coulomb_Barrier
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What time is the AMD PC Gamer event? Tomorrow evening US time presumably?
WowZipZipBoomBoomWow
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Waiting until the official event tomorrow morning isn't desperation.
DouglasteR
Member
Really hoping to AMD to ace this generation.
You mean their own stream? I assume this is the one where they will show off their new series. The one later in the evening will be the PC gaming stuff.
What's with the emoticons? Is this Twitch now? kappa
He's right though, he isn't allowed to say anything, what do you want from him
icecold1983
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WowZipZipBoomBoomWow
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Unknown Soldier
Member
Well sure, but you're somehow forgetting that the stuff Nvidia drops their prices on has already been released for some time already. Most of the initial sales are already past, the period of high margins has ended. If Nvidia released a new flagship product a week before AMD did and suddenly dropped the price, your argument would have more weight behind it.
As it is, both Nvidia and AMD routinely lower prices on their old product lines when their competitor launches a new part. That has no bearing on their pricing of their own new parts, or it didn't until recently when Nvidia decided to play hardball with the 980 Ti's pricing. But that's one unusual event out of a decade-plus of Nvidia/AMD(ATI)'s rivalry.
This doesn't make any sense, neither Nvidia nor AMD can crap out a new GPU overnight. The 980 Ti was in planning long before anybody knew when AMD was even going to release the Fury, remember the Fury is delayed more than 6 months already. It was originally supposed to come out late 2014, and at that time Nvidia had not even released the Titan X yet. So the design of 980 Ti was known long ago. Now pricing I can give you a small window for argument, but we're still talking about a $650 videocard, it's in the super-enthusiast market segment already and there aren't a lot of GPU consumers feeding at the the top end above the $500 price point to begin with. What happens above $500 has little or no effect on GPU consumers as a whole compared to say the $330 970 which is a product a ton of GPU consumers have bought because of it's exceptional value.
michaelius
Banned
Tomorrow is borring day. Real stuff arrives few days later.
He may have a point.
980Ti cut a little too close to Titan X, making the latter and 980 look overpriced. Ideally Nvidia wouldn't mind a more even spread in performance (e.g. 4 SMX diff each). This could suggest a preemption to Fury XT.
Anyways I could eat my words when the Fury is benched.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
In how many hours is the PC?
But thats when Nintendo starts. Why would they choose that time when theres like an 88 hour gap between square enix and the PC gaming show with literally nothing happening
AMD's stream starts in 3 hours and 20 minutes.
But no idea when Fury XT is shown in the stream.
That raising the prices higher thing is such bull, the only thing I see it doing is them just doing slight increases to performance and having mid-tier cards at flagship prices.. which is exactly what they're doing now.
Mean while Hynix confirmed 4GB and Fury branding as they released their PR few hours early.
These things are planned well in advance, with so many partners, sponsors etc. No one knew when Nintendo would broadcast a pre-recorded show.
It's desperate, I tell ya!
TC McQueen
Member
Doesn't Nintendo always air their E3 Directs/press conferences at the same time every year? I remember that being the common complaint when Square Enix scheduled their conference in the same slot that AMD's is now.
I dont know, dont really follow that closely.
Wow, that's much better. I must of read that time card wrong.
Yeah. This has always been known. The problem here is that E3 opens at 10 so they don't have any other time slots available. They should have done this on Sunday like Bethesda.
Here is a short press release from SK Hynix in regards to AMD's HBM usage.
The link also states that the memory is built on a 20 nm process but I don't know how true that is.
The link also states that the memory is built on a 20 nm process but I don't know how true that is.
If that's true, I guess that means Fury Xs are either being shipped out today, or are just getting built today.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
the e3 thread says 9 hours?
I'm not sure why anybody should care. The card is being announced in a few hours, people that are interested in these things already know.
It isn't something that out of the realm of possibility. Memory (DRAM at least) production isn't on the same process used for logic ICs.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
How many hours until the stream goes up, guys
I think that's for the PC show, not AMD's own.
Starts in 1 hour.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
Good, good. Thanks. This should be interesting.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
so its between Nintendo and AMD? HMMMM
General Lee
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Of course it's true, it's SK Hynix official statement. But it only means the memory chips are done at their 20nm fab. AMD's chip is done at 28nm, either TSMC of Glofo, and the interposer assumedly on 65nm or some older node since it's essentially just for wiring.
Unless they are announcing the NX, very easy to skip Nintendo.
If you're not into Nintendo, it makes sense to skip it. Still, I don't see how a press conference for one graphics card is more interesting than the purpose for owning this type of hardware in the first place: games.
It's not just one graphics card, potentially this memory will end up in consoles and Nintendo will adopt years after Microsoft and Sony.
It makes sense to not skip it. You can always watch a pre-recorded show at your convenience, it's not like its LIVE.
jfoul
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Lovely Salsa
Banned
no youtube?