DeepEnigma
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Basically my point as well.
You can be level headed without being "those guys".
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Basically my point as well.
You can be level headed without being "those guys".
The Illiterati
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High after Sony's conference? Tune into Giant Bomb for your shocking pail of water dumped over your head into reality. You SHOULD BE DEPRESSED ABOUT THE STATE OF VIDEO GAMES.
Seriously I love these guys but do they ever know how to downplay exciting announcements.
Seriously I love these guys but do they ever know how to downplay exciting announcements.
DontBeThatGuy
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You're speculating wildly.
Exactly. E3 is a fun show for a gamer. It should not be taken seriously. Most of it is announcements of games you won't own for 3 years. In that 3 years it could be delayed for another 5 or end up terrible.
If you take e3 seriously, you are fool.
He'll look at Nintendo and the whole Zelda falling on its face.
Bam Bam Baklava
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It really is like seeing people who are prisoners in their career path. Where's the passion? Where's the enthusiasm?
njean777
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Exactly this, Jeff is in dreamland if he thinks this is what people are asking themselves.
ScaryShark
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...don't?
Zen_Arcade
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It's called being realistic. Being skeptical is what journalists are supposed to do. When shit comes out and is actually good, they praise plenty of stuff. People are just mad that they bring discussion down to Earth instead of being an endless hype train. Which is exactly the opposite of what people should want from video game journalists in the first place.
Where did they say "everything sucks". That's just hyperbole. They were just somber and tepid in their response after a long day. They were like that after every conference. All they did today was say "well that's kinda interesting" or cracking joke after joke like you would expect.
People just get weirdly sensitive when it comes to Sony even if they treat all game stuff this way.
call_kotaku
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I feel like if we traced the arc of what games have been shown at E3 for the last 3 years and what sort of games they became, the GB guys would be doing consumers a disservice if they didn't approach these conferences with a huge amount of skepticism.
This weird anti-anti-hype culture around games has been really frustrating, especially when people attach themselves to specific companies.
This weird anti-anti-hype culture around games has been really frustrating, especially when people attach themselves to specific companies.
bean breath
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Do you think they'll be as enthusiastic for polygonal-based game, Shenmue 3, compared to their reaction to pixel-based games, Mighty No. 9 and Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night?
WrenchNinja
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You are in fact not an idiot as much you want to downplay your effort in building a PC over buying a console off the shelf.
DontBeThatGuy
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Why aren't they jumping up and down with joy. Fake it if you must, my high depends on it.
Neogaf gonna neogaf.
Kandrick
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What shitting ? They said "this looks cool" or "this looks really great" to nearly all announcements. It's just that after all is said and done, there's nothing much coming this year first party wise on PS4, and the third party stuff is also on PC/Xbox one.
Also the "big" stuff is not coming anytime soon. FF7 ( also on PC ) is probably a ways off, TLG is still not out, and Shenmue is just an ad for a kickstarter campaign ( also on PC )
They said LATTER this year and i count it as the second half of the year and june is not. Don't get sucked into Brads pace here man, what people fear is the legacy of the Brad on innocent people and not Brad himself.
EdibleKnife
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Yeah it seems weird. People on here are excited if that's what you want. Just enjoy that and don't rely on GB to validate you. They've been in this business for years and play a lot of games. Making them jump for joy isn't gonna be easy for any company but that's alright. It's not like they don't enjoy games. They're just giving their honest feelings.
dr3upmushroom
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Or maybe they just represent people who are not excited every time a remake or sequel is announced.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Their job description doesn't read "be enthusiastic about all games."
It's why it's so hard to grow this medium. You're not going to see shit thrown at book and film critics for having no enthusiasm about the latest blockbusters.
The Last Guardian
Horizon
Until Dawn
Dreams
Uncharted 4
That cutesy Final Fantasy game
Uncharted Collection not even talked about
xXCrazyCostaXX
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Then why watch them? You know you don't have to right?
SlowRevolution
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Anything get out about show guests yet?
It's funny, having watched all their E3 streams now, the vibe of the room felt about the same as their critique of Sony's conference today.
You rarely see a game shown at these conferences that they jump out of their seats in joy for. You get restrained enthusiasm -- cautious and reluctant, and when something sucks about a conference or a company's plan for their platform or slate of games, they'll say it. If they truly like something, they'll say it (they all were really into Horizon Zero Dawn, but that's not enough I guess).
I just find it ridiculous that all this "they are so cynical" blow up from a bunch of folks here happened now, and because the nostalgia-wank of FFVII remake, Shenmue 3, and The Last Guardian has reached its peak. Where were you people when they were talking about the other conferences? Did you see something different here?
You rarely see a game shown at these conferences that they jump out of their seats in joy for. You get restrained enthusiasm -- cautious and reluctant, and when something sucks about a conference or a company's plan for their platform or slate of games, they'll say it. If they truly like something, they'll say it (they all were really into Horizon Zero Dawn, but that's not enough I guess).
I just find it ridiculous that all this "they are so cynical" blow up from a bunch of folks here happened now, and because the nostalgia-wank of FFVII remake, Shenmue 3, and The Last Guardian has reached its peak. Where were you people when they were talking about the other conferences? Did you see something different here?
ScaryShark
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It's really weird how people want gaming journalists and personalities to 'hype up' or be 'excited' about gaming news. That's literally the opposite of what you should want.
Giant Bomb has always been honest with everyone. Their personal biases are always going to exist as they do in critics of other mediums.
ETA: Oh yeah, they're also probably fucking exhausted after being in front of and talking to cameras for 10 hours.
Giant Bomb has always been honest with everyone. Their personal biases are always going to exist as they do in critics of other mediums.
ETA: Oh yeah, they're also probably fucking exhausted after being in front of and talking to cameras for 10 hours.
It was them talking about Horizon and No Man's Sky
The_Inquisitor
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I listen to both podcasts weekly. I did not tune in for their voiceover of the E3 conferences last year, but thought I would try this year. I probably won't next year. Guess I will stick to podcasts and site content.
TharpDaddy
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Huh? They got excited about plenty of games this e3. Mario Maker, ReCore, Rare Replay, Horizon, Fallout 4, and more. Just because they're talking realistically about the conferences doesn't mean they're not excited about games.
DontBeThatGuy
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Whiny and childish. That's how it comes off.
BreezyLimbo
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stump sock
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"man I hate when people are unnecessarily negative about things, I'm going to complain about it to the first people who will listen"
good night thread
good night thread
DeepEnigma
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Why go from one extreme to another?
There are shades of grey. You can be level headed with constructive concerns without sounding like you hate your job in gaming journalism.
They tread the line of, "man gaming sucks" (be concerned) narrative far too often. That is of course unless you build a Stream Machine by Jeff's response.
Except you are posting this on the type of forum where this exact question would be asked by a significant amount of people. About the type of userbase that Giant Bomb specifically services.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Exactly. Giantbomb feels like one of the most natural sites when it comes to reactions and stuff.
HotHamWater
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Not that I've seen yet, looking forward to them talking to Johnny V though.
Just not tonight, I think.
Takeda Kenshi
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What happened to the after hours interviews? Are they not doing them this year? If not why?
Incorrect, this is a place for NeoGAF members who watch GiantBomb content to talk about Giant Bomb and E3 together. They are not above criticism and this isn't your special club.
a secret-boss
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I'm watching their EA post conference right now and is positive.... OH WAIT ITS EA
so people don't care LOL
Not really, no.
SlowRevolution
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starting tomorrow night
Crap. I had to pause just as the Sony conference ended, and I tried to resume to watch the the post show and my browser crashed. Now I can't go back into the stream, says it's over. Yet the other conferences are available. I guess it's not archived right on youtube or something right now. Anyone seeing the same thing?
Starts tomorrow
Seriously. These pressers are fun to follow on places like GAF, but don't mean much in the grand scheme of things.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
In case you've missed it they actually do like some stuff on the sony presser.
didn't mark tell a story last podcast about him going over to his friend's house to play shenmue and being brutally disappointed after the hype? Or maybe that was jj.
The Illiterati
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No, but seriously, I need SOME enthusiasm in my enthusiast press.
Alex: The last Guardian being shown should concern us.
Brad: I hate FF7.
Jeff: Horizon is cool BUT it's made by Guerilla.
Jeff actually criticized Uncharted 4 for having a vehicle chase since they hadn't done that before "That was kinda weird, I dunno."
Every minor positive was met with ho hums and negatives.
Zen_Arcade
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- Last Guardian is God knows when next year.
- Horizon is God knows when any year.
- Until Dawn was shown like two seconds.
- We don't even know what Dreams fully is yet. I don't know why anyone would see it and be hyped about it.
- Uncharted 4 look cool, but is again, over a year away.
- FF wasn't exclusive or first party. It was timed.
- Exactly, so why would they talk about it on a post E3 conference.
Their main point was that the rest of 2015 was dry for first party Sony games. This list only backs their point.
Or is it "whiny" because they were harsh about the thing certain people are personally invested in even if they act that way about everything. People had the same "why so cynical, gosh" after Nintendo's E3 2014.
Indeed. Trailers and PR material (including E3) are there to tell me what's right about a game. Critics are there to tell me what's wrong about them. People need to stop looking to the press for validation.
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