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[Mama Robotnik]

I'd also love it if Nintendo could do a smaller budget, 2.5D Super Metroid style game (that would be a nice "spinoff") but I worry people won't be satisfied with a smaller scale title?

If Nintendo announced a small scale 2D project, say a Metroid 2 remake in the style of Zero Mission, then I guarantee that the response would have been considerably positive.

If Nintendo needed a stop-gap game until the next big Metroid comes along, then this idea would have been received warmly. Even if the game was only a couple of hours long, they could have sold it at a cheap price across digital delivery, and everything could have turned out just lovely.

 

[zennyzz]

Also my major gripe with this game, outside of not getting another proper metroid installment, is that presentation just detracts from it.

Metroid's not been this kiddy since the 80s. A style more in line with the Prime series would have made this significantly easier to swallow.

 

[mdubs]

1. Make 2D Metroid game that is 4-6 hours long like Zero Mission, Fusion and Super Metroid for lower dev costs.

2. Release for $40.

3. Profit?


Pls Iwata

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Well, there it is.

 

[Toxi]

Also, why isn't Super Metroid 2 considered a gaming unicorn like FF7 remake or Shenmue 3 used to be?

You mean Metroid Fusion?

 

[AzureTranquility95]

Not gonna lie, looks pretty unappealing to me as a Metroid fan. Hopefully it's just a quick eShop release and not a full price retail.

I'm afraid you are not so fortunate.

I had a similar feeling about Triforce Heroes... that's getting a retail release as well, by the way.

Don't you hate it when games you care less about get retail releases but games you love are somehow stuck in the digital-only ghetto?

'Course, I can't speak too out of line since somehow there's gonna be a retail Chibi-Robo game in NA this year... ask me again come 2016, though.

You mean Metroid Dread?

Super Metroid 3, Metroid Fusion 2, Metroid Dread, same difference. Simpler just to call it Super Metroid 2.

 

[ShadowFox08]

No reason to get mad. Nintendo made a good decision.

It's the best move Nintendo can pull at this point, and here's why:

Metroid Prime 1-3, and Metroid:Other M, all sold pretty bad compared to other more popular 1st party Wii titles on the Gamecube and Wii.

Metroid Prime 1: 1.5 Mill
Metroid Prime 2: 0.80 Million
Metroid Prime Corruption: 1.31 Mill
Metroid Prime Hunters: .76 mill
Metroid Other M: 1.31 mill?

So why would Nintendo repeat the mistake with Metroid on the Wii U if it knows its goto be risky in getting an actual profit? Strangely enough, Hunters on 3DS sold less than the home consoles game...

Lets not forget Wii U's install base is much lower than the Wii(at this point in time), so how can we even expect it to surpass MP3 an Other M? Let alone knowing that 1 million isn't that impressive for a AAA 1st party nintendo game.

The fact of the matter is that the 3DS is the most popular gaming console handheld, and it has a significantly larger installation base than the Wii U. So Nintendo is playing it safe.What I think Nintendo is trying to do is to see how well this game will sell on the 3DS and if it ends up selling well, it could interest much of the 3DS crowd to get a Wii U and have Nintendo decide to have a 3D Metroid on home nintendo console(Wii U).

 

[Gin]

It's for 3DS.

Official Trailer - Thanks to Svartafaran

Youtube says it all

20 Like / 309 Dislike

... lol

This looks like crap.

Spoiler

Watch it sell like crap.. and then nintendo blames low sales numbers for no more proper metroid sequal

 

[Regiruler]

I can't help thinking this was originally a new IP, but Nintendo didn't (especially coming off of Codename STEAM bombing hard) have enough confidence in it, so they rebranded it to something they thought had better sales potential.

I think the assets reuse goes a bit too deep to not have originated from prime.

 

[Satch]

super metroid is metroid 3, metroid fusion is metroid 4

i cant see myself ever saying "i want super metroid 2"
it doesnt make sense
metroid prime is super metroid redux in a way i guess

i am personally waiting on metroid 5, even if its in prime style. i need to know if she keeps that ugly fusion armor or if she goes back to the GOODS

 

[zennyzz]

Even Metroid Prime Pinball 2?

Also, why isn't Super Metroid 2 considered a gaming unicorn like FF7 remake or Shenmue 3 used to be?

Because Super Metroid holds up with age and even if they're not as popular as it, ZM and Fusion still retain many fundamental aspects of Super Metroid as well as continuing the narrative it built.

Zero Mission went above and beyond in terms of remaking the original metroid.

I believe they could do the same for II. But SM is kinda like lightning in a bottle. don't think you could effectively recreate it, even if I do believe that ZM for the most part has a much better flow than SM.

 

[Doorman]

I think you can please Metroid fans without developing a big HD game. For example, the game I was after was a 2D game in the style of Super on the 3DS. And I imagine that kind of game would have been received positively considering the last one was Fusion.

...Made by who, though? I don't think NLG would have been given the full reins to make a "true' Metroid game, and the team that's historically done it is working on other projects. Nintendo's development resources aren't infinite and mainline franchise entries (at least for their "big" franchises) aren't typically outsourced to other developers. Star Fox Armada is the last one that really comes to mind, but I don't think Star Fox is really considered a major franchise.

As for this game itself and not the "what could have been," I've seen a little bit of the Ice Beast caging mission, and while very simplistic I do think it looks like some frantic cooperative fun. Using people to aggro the beast into the cage and then try to sidle your way out with proper timing will take some good team coordination. Aside from the name, it seems the verdict on the game might most live or die off of the breadth of mission types it offers. Since it's launching next spring, they still have nearly a year to work on it.

At last year's E3, Splatoon was a single-stage demo with everybody using one weapon type. What released included a much wider variety of weapons, stat-changing (and fashion-changing) gear, a short but focused single-player campaign, an additional match mode, and even more continuing to come at regular intervals. It does look rough now, but there's a lot that can be done between now and release, so I think it's a bit too soon to write it off entirely aside from needlessly-vindictive fan hate.

 

[moomoo14]

The game just looks soulless and hollow to me. There is no way I would have thought this was a Metroid game if it wasn't in the title. It just doesn't have that vibe at all.

If Metroid wasn't in the title, I wouldn't even give it a second glance. It just looks low-effort. Heck, Moon on the 3DS looks better than this, and that's an updated DS game. It's really disheartening to see the likes of Resident Evil Revelations get followed by the likes of this.

 

[Toxi]

Metroid Prime 1-3, and Metroid:Other M, all sold pretty bad compared to other more popular 1st party Wii titles on the Gamecube and Wii.

Metroid Prime 1: 1.5 Mill
Metroid Prime 2: 0.80 Million
Metroid Prime Corruption: 1.31 Mill
Metroid Prime Hunters: .76 mill
Metroid Other M: 1.31 mill?

Don't cite chartz bullshit, it's banned for a reason.

Here are the actual figures released by Nintendo.

Metroid Prime: 2.78 million
Metroid Prime 2: 1.10 million
Metroid Prime Hunters: 1.08 million
Metroid Prime 3: 1.41 million

Other M did not reach a million sales. Also, Metroid Prime was the 6th best-selling game on the Gamecube.

 

[Regiruler]

...I actually really dig the audio in this.

I really liked some of the sound effects. There was a part where you could hear the gatling rotate.

I'm curious how big the blast ball portion is. They seem to be trying for an odd 2-games-in-1 deal.

 

[Satch]

the only thing i would want changed about super metroid is maybe make her a little heavier/change the physics somewhat. the jumping is kinda floaty, but thats all that bothers me and honestly it isnt that big of a deal

 

[AzureTranquility95]

Strangely enough, Hunters on DS sold less than the home consoles game...

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Holy shit MP Hunters has an 85 metacritic score?!

 

[Refreshment.01]

In sunday i was so disappointed...

Then the Zelda Triforce announcement made it worst. Something like 4 Swords but devoid of any of the visual charm.

Metroid is a Nintendo franchise which is very core centric. The Metroid enthusiast didn't wan't Hunters and certainly not something like this again. It's fine that the game exists but there's no need to attach the Metroid name to it.

Other M haters most be crying tears of blood now. Even if it was a flawled game it was a good direction to take the series. This seems like a big mistreatment.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

I mean yeah, some people don't like those games, but everyone hates Other M. And the game is fundamentally sexist and murders Samus's character haha.

I don't think you understand what happened in the plot. You just like read the script while ignoring what actually happened.

Thats false. There was even a thread on gaf were other m had more positive votes than negatives and the people who called the game horrible were salty as hell after that.
But sure, keep tooting that sexism horn. I dont think you understand what that word really means.

BTW, nobody fuckin hated other m before release, is when the game was released that the game started to be criticised a lot, that was exactly the contrary that what happened when metroid prime was shown, hated when it appeared (theres was a website where one retro worker said they receive fucking hate mail nearly each day) and appraised when it released. That doesnt mean that for each case there are still people that love things in other m, and hate the tank controls of metrood
Prime and prefer a faster metroid.

 

[Beelzebufo]

to

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Holy shit MP Hunters has an 85 metacritic score?!

But MP Hunters brought in a much wider audience, because it was portable and multiplayer! Nobody plays single player Metroid!

Thats false. There was even a thread on gaf were other m had more positive votes than negatives and the people who called the game horrible were salty as hell after that.
But sure, keep tooting that sexism horn. I dont think you understand what that word really means.

BTW, nobody fuckin hated other m before release, is when the game was released that the game started to be criticised a lot, that was exactly the contrary that what happened when metroid prime was shown, hated when it appeared (theres was a website where one retro worker said they receive fucking hate mail nearly each day) and appraised when it released. That doesnt mean that for each case there are still people that love things in other m, and hate the tank controls of metrood
Prime and prefer a faster metroid.

You're correct. Nobody truly hated the game until it released, and we learned that Sakamoto is a fraud who can't put together a coherent story and hates women.

Like the game is objectively sexist, even if it was unintentional. It's completely ignorant and a little insulting to say otherwise. I've legit never seen a good defense for the game in this regard, because there isn't one.

 

[Doorman]

Metroid is a Nintendo franchise which is very core centric. The Metroid enthusiast didn't wan't Hunters and certainly not this. It's fine that the game exists but there's no need to attach the Metroid game to it.

What if the big twist is...this game isn't being developed solely with existing "Metroid enthusiasts" in mind?

 

[atbigelow]

I really liked some of the sound effects. There was a part where you could hear the gatling rotate.

I'm curious how big the blast ball portion is. They seem to be trying for an odd 2-games-in-1 deal.

I'm relistening again and there's definitely some good stuff in it. Somewhat more placated for now.

There's almost promise in this; but they're swinging and missing a few key bits. Obviously the visuals are one. Another is just sort of the odd combination of mission-based co-op and... ball sports. At least if they were able to boost the matches to 4-on-4 it would line up a bit better.

I'm remaining hopeful right now. Luigi's Mansion 2 was quite fun to me, so NLG gets to ride on that goodwill for a few months.

 

[Mama Robotnik]

Youtube says it all

20 Like / 309 Dislike

... lol

The official Nintendo channel's upload of the video has far, far, far more dislikes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGu3Xe1uUUg

 

[AzureTranquility95]

But MP Hunters brought in a much wider audience, because it was portable and multiplayer! Nobody plays single player Metroid!

You weren't even gonna try and cite that DS had a larger install base than GCN?

...well, to be fair, it WAS before the DS Lite came out. The DS install base was still in its infancy. Meanwhile, GameCube was almost on its way out in 2006.

...Did you just get me to defend MP Hunters? You evil, evil man.

 

[Toxi]

Other M haters most be crying tears of blood now. Even if it was a flawled game it was a good direction to take the series. This seems like a big mistreatment.

Whatever makes you feel better about that shit game I guess.

 

[stan423321]

Even Metroid Prime Pinball 2?

Also, why isn't Super Metroid 2/3 considered a gaming unicorn like FF7 remake or Shenmue 3 used to be?

Shenmue 3 was a thing it was because there were two Shenmue games: Shenmue 1 and Shenmue 2, and Shenmue 2 ends with a cliffhanger. Comparable to Half-Life status to be honest. There were many more Metroid titles after SM; the closest equivalent to Super Metroid 3 I can think of is pre-launch image of Sonic 4. Metroid Prime 4 would be comparable to Shenmue 3 if there was a major cliffhanger at the end of MP3, while something different happens there.

FF7 remake... well I don't know how that one started in the first place; maybe it was a leak, or maybe the insanity of announcing the PS4 port. I don't know.

 

[zennyzz]

Hate Other M all you want. I'm not taking folks calling Sakamoto a fraud.

Especially when his metroid resume is second only to Pacini

And is the father of Metroidvania

 

[Toxi]

Super Metroid 2 was Metroid Fusion. It wasn't nearly as good as Super Metroid, but it was still a good game people enjoyed.

Metroid Dread's the actual unicorn.

 

[cuadralord]

even MP hunter has better graphics

 

[KingBroly]

What if the big twist is...this game isn't being developed solely with existing "Metroid enthusiasts" in mind?

Well, then they've completely lost the script on Metroid, and have no idea what to do with it anymore. Other M didn't sell because the core fanbase got in front of people and said "don't buy this shit" and it worked. Pissing off that core base again with something that isn't what they want again is just asking for trouble all over again.

Let me clarify one thing: If this game was revealed down after another mainline game had come out, I'm guessing the reaction would be different, but this is clearly another wrong game, wrong time situation that definitely spells trouble for the series.

 

[Refreshment.01]

You're correct. Nobody truly hated the game until it released, and we learned that Sakamoto is a fraud who can't put together a coherent story and hates women.

Like the game is objectively sexist, even if it was unintentional. It's completely ignorant and a little insulting to say otherwise. I've legit never seen a good defense for the game in this regard, because there isn't one.

Yoshio Sakamoto a fraud? Did you think clearly before writting that?

Other M hate is nonsensical. There are 1000 of storys and games across many media that are far worse and more offensive and hasn't caught the amount of heat Other M has.

i would love to find out the real reason behind the hate, it seems like hive mind like. Maybe inspired from one source and then spread like a virus.

 

[Toxi]

Yoshio Sakamoto a fraud? Did you think clearly before writting that?

Other M hate is nonsensical. There are 1000 of storys and games across many media that are far worse and more offensive and hasn't caught the amount of heat Other M has.

i would love to find out the real reason behind the hate, it seems like hive mind like. Maybe inspired from one source and then spread like a virus.

The reason is that the game sucks and those people didn't like it.

 

[PSqueak]

- The world and the new enemies are so generic. Why is the giant monster called "Ice Monster." How can you keep a straight face after fighting Shriekbats and Zoomers and then kill something called "Ice Monster" Yea, no. Develop a world. Retro did all the heavy lifting, take their creatures and run with it. Why is this Ice Monster not some variant of a Sheegoth. Call it "Alpha Sheegoth" and run with that. Retro even had a design for an alpha Sheegoth they never used. Just steal it. Write some lore too. Maybe not a scan visor, but add a bestiary.

To be fair, the mission was to capture the beasts, as far as we know, maybe they were a new species and their capture was for research and classification, maybe later it will turn out to be a beast from the lore or just have a report with the findings and thus new lore and the name of the beast.

 

[HF2014]

Horrible.

All i got to say. Its an insult to the Metroid fans.

 

[zennyzz]

The reason is that the game sucks.

Which in and of itself doesn't warrant calling Sakamoto who was the origin of Metroid's looping map structure and sequence breaks a fraud.

Not counting all the shit that is made up about him like him calling the prime games noncanon

 

[Refreshment.01]

Whatever makes you feel better about that shit game I guess.

Thank you for missing the point.

Hate the game all you want. The direction it was taken into is a good one. The plot in a Metroid game never matter and the franchise was always "sexist" as some people like to put.

But in terms of presentation and most of the mechanics, it was nice direction to stri the ship. Supress your blind hate for a little time and think about an Other M type game with similar presentation and perspective but with Super Metroid level design.

Doesn't sound bad at all, don't you think?

 

[Jezan]

Yoshio Sakamoto a fraud? Did you think clearly before writting that?

Other M hate is nonsensical. There are 1000 of storys and games across many media that are far worse and more offensive and hasn't caught the amount of heat Other M has.

i would love to find out the real reason behind the hate, it seems like hive mind like. Maybe inspired from one source and then spread like a virus.

It's not a hive mind, sorry. The hate comes from the fact that is a very very bad game in a franchise where most games are very very good.

 

[Metaphor for Giant Robot]

I'm trying to understand this whole "this game will be great in bringing in new Metroid fans" argument. What sense does it make to attract people who were never interested in a franchise's game design (single-player, exploration/puzzle oriented) by creating a game that's the exact opposite of it (multiplayer, action oriented)? And what sense does it make to expect a new audience that's conditioned into a multiplayer action kind of experience to immediately become interested in a single-player puzzle experience?

There isn't even a lot of recurring characters or elements that scream Metroid so far like Hyrule Warriors or Metal Gear Rising to make a connection. I don't get it.

 

[Toxi]

Guys, we have to find out the real reason people hate on Final Fantasy XIII. Clearly we can't take people on their word that they think it's a horrible game. No, it's gotta be something else.

 

[El Sabroso]

Spoiler

Holy shit MP Hunters has an 85 metacritic score?!

MPH was good, dedicated to multiplayer but really was good

 

[Regiruler]

So thinking more about the game, the foundation for an actually really great game is there.



And the story and missions would be about the Federation cleaning up the wrecked planets in a post-Phazon galaxy. Planets with invasive species, giant monsters driven mad by Phazon withdrawal, and special Pirate created hybrids that the federation wants for "reasons above your security clearance." It would be co-op and you'd have to travel around these planets and kill or capture the particular animal as per the mission. Sort of full on Monster Hunter. Except the monsters would be insane from Phazon. Or rather a lack of Phazon that they had become fatally addicted to.

The style wouldn't be chibi at all, but rather more based on the actual Prime series.

Battle Ball would be the chibi style or whatever and would be a time wasting multiplayer minigame and have no relevance at all and nobody would care about it. It would be Prime 2 Multiplayer levels of not caring. I would honestly just drop this part and focus entirely on making a neat first person Monster Hunter clone set in the Metroid universe.

Since it's post Phazon, you can visit some of the planets from the Prime games and see what they're like without Pirates or Phazon or anything. You have to hunt stuff like Flaagra spawns or leftover Ing or whatever. Basically play up the Prime nostalgia really heavy.

I think this game needs work.
- The art is kind of boring and very out of style for the Metroid series. It feels like a Nintendo Land minigame, not a Prime spin off. We've had two Prime spinoffs already and they still looked like they belonged in the Metroid universe.
- The world and the new enemies are so generic. Why is the giant monster called "Ice Monster." How can you keep a straight face after fighting Shriekbats and Zoomers and then kill something called "Ice Monster" Yea, no. Develop a world. Retro did all the heavy lifting, take their creatures and run with it. Why is this Ice Monster not some variant of a Sheegoth. Call it "Alpha Sheegoth" and run with that. Retro even had a design for an alpha Sheegoth they never used. Just steal it. Write some lore too. Maybe not a scan visor, but add a bestiary.
- Battleball looks dumb. Just drop it. Like it doesn't need to exist, you already have a multiplayer game, you don't need some side mode nobody will play taking resources from world building and refining the real game.

I hope in the 1 year they have until release they take a good look at what they can do to improve the premise. The idea is there. It can work, I know it can. Exploring creatures and nature in the Metroid series would be awesome. A first person Monster Hunter can be awesome.

I disagree with the battleball portion, but agree with you on the name segment, at least in how it creates a very obvious discrepancy.

That said, weren't a lot of prime's names derived from the original metroid? They always seemed kind of stupid, but I guesz they were original and stupid.

 

[diaspora]

It's not a hive mind, sorry. The hate comes from the fact that is a very very bad game in a franchise where most games are very very good.

Bingo, both the story and gameplay were utter ass. IIRC Mama Robotnik already pointed out what made the gameplay garbage.

 

[Toxi]

Thank you for missing the point.

Hate the game all you want. The direction it was taken into is a good one. The plot in a Metroid game never matter and the franchise was always "sexist" as some people like to put.

You just explained why the game's direction was horrible.

But in terms of presentation and most of the mechanics, it was nice direction to stri the ship. Supress your blind hate for a little time and think about an Other M type game with similar presentation and perspective but with Super Metroid level design.

Doesn't sound bad at all, don't you think?

"Imagine a better Metroid game than Other M."

 

[guek]

I feel so bad for Next Level Games after this backlash. Those guys are pretty damn talented. Had this been a spin-off for Wii U instead of 3DS, I imagine the reaction would have been markedly different.

 

[tbd]

Yoshio Sakamoto a fraud? Did you think clearly before writting that?

Other M hate is nonsensical. There are 1000 of storys and games across many media that are far worse and more offensive and hasn't caught the amount of heat Other M has.

i would love to find out the real reason behind the hate, it seems like hive mind like. Maybe inspired from one source and then spread like a virus.

Don't even bother arguing with them, I tried many times. It's so easy to have fun with Other M, even when it's flawed and far from perfect. They completely refuse to do so or even see it. Not your loss.

 

[Kinsei]

Don't even bother arguing with them, I tried many times. It's so easy to have fun with Other M, even when it's flawed and far from perfect. They completely refuse to do so or even see it. Not your loss.

I tried to have fun with Other M. I even played it twice, once on normal and once on hard. The game is complete trash with no redeeming qualities.

 

[HeavyMetalLover91]

I'm one of the few that actually likes Other M so me saying Other M 2 would be better than this is kind of redundant, but my point remains, as a Metroid game, this looks terrible.

As a new IP it might have stood a chance, but sadly Nintendo sent it out to die.

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

 

[AzureTranquility95]

MPH was good, dedicated to multiplayer but really was good

The only good thing MP Hunters did was expand the universe with the hunter characters... only for all but one of them to be one-offs, and even the one that returned, it was only a cameo in MP3.

So it failed to even do that.

 

[ozfunghi]

What if the big twist is...this game isn't being developed solely with existing "Metroid enthusiasts" in mind?

And why would those be more enticed to buy a Metroid game than a new IP? I'm willing to bet the game might have sold more, just because the hardcore Metroid (Prime) fans might "shun" this spin-off, while they might have been more open towards a new IP.

 

[SolarPowered]

oh my god

There has been a lot of pessimism today surrounding Nintendo, but I thought most of it was related to little to no Online multiplayer in Star Fox U.

Now I understand why. MPF looks like a cheapass mobile game lol. I'm so happy F-Zero and Wave Race got no attention from Nintendo and I hope they continue to stay dead because there is no fate worse than turning into whatever that game is in the OP lmao.

Edit: I admit that was a pretty hyperbolic response, but Nintendo threads and kneejerk response go hand in hand. This isn't the end of the world, but at a glance I wouldn't even think it is a metroid game.