More like releasing FZero Modnation Racers
Metroid Prime Federation Force Announced (Next Level, 3DS, 4 Player, Mission Based)
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More like releasing FZero Modnation Racers
Liked the reveal, but the Treehouse gameplay was really great! Looks like a blast!
Style is cute, but like it. Reminds me of that "kid friendly" line of Marvel and DC Super Heroes.
Maybe is their way to try and make Metroid a bigger seller? Afterall, Corruption underperformed, Other M underperformed and wasn't well received by a quite vocal group, and lets not forget Prime Trilogy bombing all the way to clearance bins.
So, maybe they're experimenting around. Who knows. Looks great and fun anyway.
Style is cute, but like it. Reminds me of that "kid friendly" line of Marvel and DC Super Heroes.
Maybe is their way to try and make Metroid a bigger seller? Afterall, Corruption underperformed, Other M underperformed and wasn't well received by a quite vocal group, and lets not forget Prime Trilogy bombing all the way to clearance bins.
So, maybe they're experimenting around. Who knows. Looks great and fun anyway.
Mama Robotnik
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Metroid is about a solitary bounty hunter exploring the depths of hostile, dark environments, coming to an understanding about a world and its history, and evolving her abilities to survive, progress and overcome.
Counter to this, one of the games announced is a multiplayer bright and bold triple-player sports shooting ball-goal game. You score goals with a ball.
In my mind, its as equally nonsensical as F-Zero: Cooking Simulator.
Yup, hur.hur.that's totally what he meant, good one. As far as we know, this is taking probably the.most important thing in the Metroid universe after Metroids and theming a game, stylistically similar yet distinct to Metroid Prime, around it. You may not like it, which is fine, I totally understand that frustration, but there's nothing that ridiculous about exploring the federation's role in the metroid universe. If you insist on an F-Zero metaphor, it'd be like making a captain falcon game about his life as a bounty hunter or something.
Edit: as per your second point, I would say the entire conceit is less goofy than Metroid Prime Pinball,at least a futuristic sport has a sense of context. And again, this game still utilizes many of the mechanics seen in the Metroid Prime series. The cooking simulator comparison is absurd.
Honestly the game doesn't look too bad, it has potential. It's not what we wanted, but I think Nintendo knows that now if they didn't already know. If there is indeed a Metroid Prime 4 in development and they didn't show it... it was a poor move (Though if its NX, they don't want to touch anything on that this year).
Nintendo must have prepared their shields for this.
The game didn't look fun in the demo, the people just seemed to have fun playing it. And that's kind of what their job is. The game seems to expand on worst thing about the Prime series- the combat.
Also not only is this disappointing for Metroid fans, but it's also a waste of Next Level Game's strengths. Especially since Luigi's Mansion 2 was so successful, mainly for its charm and presentation which this game seems to be totally lacking.
I just don't get who this game is for.
Please, explain to me how the goober space marines whose job it is to die hideously are the most important "theme" of the Metroid series.
He said thing.
And I am pretty sure he's talking about the combat/movement mechanics.
The youtube trailer has way more thumbs down than thumbs up. I totally understand why. But on the other hand, most fans criticize Nintendo for not making shooters and for not having online. This has both. It just looks like they took a different game and awkwardly slapped Metroid skins on it to sell instead of making it a new IP.
Pinball is different because it was released at the time when we were flooded with Metroid games. Timing matters, releasing a spin off while the series is going strong and releasing a spin off after the series lay dormant for 6 years is a huge difference.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
This is like some sorta star federation meets the Metroid Universe?
The game play seems alright, but they really fell in a pot hole. They aren't hitting the core fanbase IMO, but who knows? Nintendo loves to hit every side of the coin before focusing on what they have. They know what they're doing, it just takes a couple attempts to get it right where you want it.
Release these as mini games on the 3DS. They have all these ideas for handheld games or console games and they don't put them in their short stack. Instead they give us this other selection and then release a major entry years after you'd expect them to.
The game play seems alright, but they really fell in a pot hole. They aren't hitting the core fanbase IMO, but who knows? Nintendo loves to hit every side of the coin before focusing on what they have. They know what they're doing, it just takes a couple attempts to get it right where you want it.
Release these as mini games on the 3DS. They have all these ideas for handheld games or console games and they don't put them in their short stack. Instead they give us this other selection and then release a major entry years after you'd expect them to.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
If they had really tried, a Federation trooper spinoff could be pretty cool. It just doesn't look the way that it should.
Someone did a mock-up a while back of a similar idea:
Needs more:
BreakawayMetal
Banned
I don't even give a fuck if it's different. I'm just glad there's another Prime game. After 5 years of no Metroid, I'm fucking hungry for a new one so I'll take whatever, as long as it's not Other M.
Ashler
Member
Your resignation just bummed me out. And I mean this in the less offensive way possible.
I don't really see that.
BreakawayMetal
Banned
It's got the GF from Prime, it's got the artstyle from Prime, it's got the word "Prime" in the title, it's a Prime game. Deal with it.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
It's not a Prime game though.
nkarafo
Member
Well.... they should see this coming from miles away. I mean, they are game developers. They are supposed to know some things about videogames. Anyone who knows a few things about videogames would realize that this shit is not the best idea.
Only if the fanbase is unreasonable and inert.
I am a huge Metroid fan. I am not offended in any way by this game or the dormant nature of the series.
This reaction is totally bonkers.
Exactly, it just happens to be in the same setting. You're not Samus, you're a run-of-the-mill grunt living an adventure-filled life in space.
What I saw on the Treehouse video and the fact that Next Level Games is the developer really sold me on the concept. If they don't screw up the execution, this is going to rock my family 3DSs for a while.
nkarafo
Member
I'm pretty sure that Super Metroid was the result of a successful mix of Sakamoto's and Gunpei Yokoi's ideas. After OtherM i'm not convinced that SM was 100% Sakamoto's creation. Maybe he needed someone to tell him what's good and what's not. There wasn't anyone around to slap him a bit during OtherM development.
The reaction is not bonkers though, I mean it would be if only few people reacted like that, but actually most fans reacted that way. So I think they are not the ones "wrong" in this case...
HeavyMetalLover91
Member
Wow, so many apologists in here today. Yeah, well done Nintendo for broadening your franchise on a series we've been given no information on in 5 years. This game could have gotten a better reception if
a.) Was a new I.P or used an I.P that actually fit the chibi theme, e.g. Kid Icarus
b.) Wasn't the first Metroid release in 5 years
c.) Dropped the Chibi art style if they're insistent on keeping it Metroid
You want to gauge interest in Metroid but on a cheap budget game Nintendo? How about re-release Metroid fucking 2 that came out on the Game Boy over 20 years ago? There's a fan project right now that is bringing that game up to a slightly more modern standard by applying it to the Zero Mission engine. How about, oh I dunno, releasing that on the eShop? You literally just need to take the Zero Mission engine, (which in itself is over 11 years old) and slap it onto Metroid 2. Give it a few tweaks here and there where appropriate and hey look at that, a classic Metroid game that's in need of a visual and mechanical upgrade and you've got a little seller on your hands.
Or fuck it why not put that bit of extra effort in and release a Metroid 1-4 pack, either individually straight to the eShop, or bundled together on a cartridge? Zero Mission and Fusion are good to go, just apply the mechanics to Super and the aforementioned Return of Samus and there's a 3DS game right there. THAT'S how you revive a franchise that is beneficial to people who have missed out, while also playing on nostalgia.
a.) Was a new I.P or used an I.P that actually fit the chibi theme, e.g. Kid Icarus
b.) Wasn't the first Metroid release in 5 years
c.) Dropped the Chibi art style if they're insistent on keeping it Metroid
You want to gauge interest in Metroid but on a cheap budget game Nintendo? How about re-release Metroid fucking 2 that came out on the Game Boy over 20 years ago? There's a fan project right now that is bringing that game up to a slightly more modern standard by applying it to the Zero Mission engine. How about, oh I dunno, releasing that on the eShop? You literally just need to take the Zero Mission engine, (which in itself is over 11 years old) and slap it onto Metroid 2. Give it a few tweaks here and there where appropriate and hey look at that, a classic Metroid game that's in need of a visual and mechanical upgrade and you've got a little seller on your hands.
Or fuck it why not put that bit of extra effort in and release a Metroid 1-4 pack, either individually straight to the eShop, or bundled together on a cartridge? Zero Mission and Fusion are good to go, just apply the mechanics to Super and the aforementioned Return of Samus and there's a 3DS game right there. THAT'S how you revive a franchise that is beneficial to people who have missed out, while also playing on nostalgia.
Well, there's the Blue Falcoln, two F-Zero levels, and 200 CC in Mario Kart. And while I"m down with that, it sure as hell isn't F-Zero.
Lol wut?
If they had really tried, a Federation trooper spinoff could be pretty cool. It just doesn't look the way that it should.
Someone did a mock-up a while back of a similar idea:
Yes! Exactly this! I would love a spin-off if it were actually serious.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
I kindof like that the bounties Samus takes on are so big and challenging they singlehandedly take up the whole game. It's a lot more epic than her doing a bunch of smaller bounties.
But hey, I'd still take it if that's the thing. Metroid games don't have to be perfect. They just have to have good, open, explorable environments, with equipment you can find that helps you explore more of that environment to find more equipment.
Hell, I've been pretty happy with the dozens of metroid style indie games I've played. It's just shameful that Nintendo can't do what all these small indie teams can. Is it so much to ask for the franchise that the genre is named after get a damn game that actually fits in that genre?
That was my exact reaction on seeing the reveal.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
I'm pretty sure people would still say it has terrible graphics, and looks rather boring overall. Blast Ball would be worth a shot playing a demo or f2p version of it to see if there's something more to it, and the co-op missions might be fun if they add way more to those missions than they're showing right now.
It'd then be forgotten far quicker than even Codename STEAM was, with a neogaf thread that doesn't even top 300 posts.
I also think there wouldn't be so many posts of people blown away by how good the treehouse demo apparently looked. To some some extent, all coop shooters being played together with friends will end up being fun, but I feel like the praise for this one a lot stronger than you'd expect, with people probably overly compensating for the people that are raging on it mostly for the name.
Perhaps this game turns out to be good, I'm hoping it will actually. I love online co-op and for years I've been disappointed Nintendo released multiplayer games like SM3DW and NSMBU without online.
It's great that we finally have online co-op Nintendo games.
BUT, after so many years waiting for a proper Metroid they should have expected the reactions. The game is ok, the timing was not. If they had announced a new Metroid let's say 2D and then said "oh and we also have this Multiplayer spin off for you" most people would be ok.
It's great that we finally have online co-op Nintendo games.
BUT, after so many years waiting for a proper Metroid they should have expected the reactions. The game is ok, the timing was not. If they had announced a new Metroid let's say 2D and then said "oh and we also have this Multiplayer spin off for you" most people would be ok.
So they actually made a petition to cancel the game. No need to bash on a game like this. Just don't buy it and they'll try harder next time.
Yes! Exactly this! I would love a spin-off if it were actually serious.
I think I'll take Next Level's more lighthearted, cartoony approach instead. There's always going to be a bucketful of super serious shooters on the market.
Embarrassing.
That would have been a misstep as well - the Federation are by far the least interesting aspect of Metroid's universe; and playing them straight wouldn't have been much better. Really, if they wanted to keep the aesthetic of the actual Metroid games, but go for a slightly lighter tone, why not just use Space Pirates for the main characters? They're much more varied visually and consist of the series' more notable recurring characters, have been a constant presence throughout the series; and if characterised similarly to their Prime Trilogy incarnations, are able to be endearing. If it had a more involved, hunting game-style hub and mission design, with the ability to fight alongside Kraid, Ridley and Dark Samus, plenty of Space Pirate logs and a Metroid rubbing minigame (do well and the Metroid mutates/evolves, fail and be eaten) it'd seem like a much more worthwhile addition to the series, especially if plans for a more traditional console game were confirmed alongside it.
No. It looks like a junk digital title with our without the Metroid name.
Hope they can turn the initial reception around with the content in the game.
If it's going towards a fps MonHun style game with different weapons and armors that can be upgraded, perks/skills to equip, loot and stuff like that I can see myself really getting into it. I really don't mind it being a Metroid spin-off.
If it's going towards a fps MonHun style game with different weapons and armors that can be upgraded, perks/skills to equip, loot and stuff like that I can see myself really getting into it. I really don't mind it being a Metroid spin-off.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Wait... Blastball is 3on3 right?
yeah, that's what they aiming for, fps MonHun but with Metroid Prime controls.
As for loot, there's none that I saw from the demos, so it's unlikely you will to do any farming.
efyu_lemonardo
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By releasing a Kirby game
I find this interesting because I'm not sure whether Other M is an intentionally sexist game or if it's just a product of Japanese society which seems to be much more sexist in certain areas than other societies. If it was made by a western studio I think there would be no doubt it was intentionally sexist, but compared to other representations of women in Japanese games I'm not sure it stands out as worse, and is probably intentionally less sexist in certain regards.
People are full of shit. I'm sorry to say it, but the fact is Metroid has never enjoyed strong sales, even on platforms like the SNES and Wii where there was a huge audience. A small and dedicated following has been very vocal about their expectations from the series, but their numbers are most likely too small to support it. Anybody else complaining about the lack of Metroid is just doing it for shits and giggles.
Dexthepleb
Banned
kill me now
There's been consistently been over a million people who buy these games every time there's a new one.By releasing a Kirby game
I find this interesting because I'm not sure whether Other M is an intentionally sexist game or if it's just a product of Japanese society which seems to be much more sexist in certain areas than other societies. If it was made by a western studio I think there would be no doubt it was intentionally sexist, but compared to other representations of women in Japanese games I'm not sure it stands out as worse, and is probably intentionally less sexist in certain regards.
People are full of shit. I'm sorry to say it, but the fact is Metroid has never enjoyed strong sales, even on platforms like the SNES and Wii where there was a huge audience. A small and dedicated following has been very vocal about their expectations from the series, but their numbers are most likely too small to support it.
That's too far. I mean, we don't even know if the game is good. I understand bashing Nintendo for not making the Metroid people wanted but bashing this game and wanting it canceled is an entirely different story.
efyu_lemonardo
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And since when is that considered a huge success? 3D Metroid games, of the Prime type in particular, are surely expensive to make. And Nintendo has plenty of series that cost less to produce and sell a lot more than that.
Nobody said anything about huge successes, but saying that games in a trilogy that sells over a million units each is selling like shit is God damn idiotic.
efyu_lemonardo
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It doesn't need to sell like shit to not be worthwhile for Nintendo, and I never said it sold like shit. But it was never a strong seller either, and for all we know some of the games may even not have been profitable (Prime 2 on GC, Other M). I guarantee you half the people complaining about the lack of a new Metroid from Retro didn't even buy the trilogy when it released. I say this because we know that limited quantities of it were produced (~600k), and because for a time it was quite easy to find it in bargain bins around the US.
But that's exactly my argument.
Problem is, Retro teased their presence at E3 so we could expect them to show something. Maybe many of us thought that their game was early 2016. Maybe we thought "they'll show DKR, Retro is helping with that too and that game has been in development forever, can't be too far!". I know rumors, are just that: rumors. But i followed the speculation thread about Retro's next game and i've seen many arguments that actually made a lot of sense especially when you consider Retro themselves teased their presence at E3. So yeah, my point still stands.
I'll check it later, thanks.
PS: yes Blast Ball is part of this.