Mostly because Mario has and had a solid number of mainline entries, on the recent platforms two on the 3DS, two out on the WiiU with a third one coming up, so that comparison doesn't hold too much weight.
Metroid Prime Federation Force Announced (Next Level, 3DS, 4 Player, Mission Based)
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Mostly because Mario has and had a solid number of mainline entries, on the recent platforms two on the 3DS, two out on the WiiU with a third one coming up, so that comparison doesn't hold too much weight.
It's a spin-off by a partner company...
Again, I don't understand what this has to do with a AAA Metroid not existing. There is no overlap.
I really wish I could Minority Report up a comprehensive play history for people that are saying this.
Like, have you seen any major co-op games that have come out in the past decade, let alone played them? This looks shallow as all get-out, like Fisher Price My First Co-op Shooter compared to what the industry at large is publishing, and I'm not even factoring the dopey bighead style into that.
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
Thank you, said it better than I could have.
Well I have played L4D games. I guess that qualifies? Yeah this game looks fun. It's easy to see that while it's co-op it's still different from other games like L4D for example. Besides you can only tell so much from watching videos. It all comes down to how it feels when playing it.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
Don't blame me for accepting garbage. I can be very understanding, but this game looks like shit. Other M had a baby.
Conkerkid11
Member
People who defend developers producing bad content because they're under the supervision of poor publishers offend those same devs more than anything by suggesting that even they don't know that the quality of the content they're producing is poor.
RobotVM
Member
I am calling it now. Retro is making Metroid Prime 4 for the NX. Thats why we didnt see it announced here. This will hold me over till then. As long as I can use the nub for the camera I am good. Yes I don't really like the art direction but Next Level has made a lot of great games in the past. I will give them the benifit of doubt.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
It's not that the development of this game necessarily precludes a full-on Metroid game from existing. Rather, the reveal of this game was really problematic as the first new Metroid game announced in half a decade. If the trailer for this game in the Direct was followed by a teaser trailer for a Wii U Metroid title developed by Retro, I don't think the responses would be nearly as negative. As it stands though, Nintendo comes off as extremely tone deaf, not understanding what people love about the Metroid brand, and definitely not acknowledging the current trend in a lot of gaming now, which is strangely Metroidvanias.
When Nintendo announces Mario Tennis no one thinks they're doing it instead of a 3D Mario platformer. When Nintendo announces Federation Force 3DS by a small developer everyone thinks they're doing it instead of a Samus Aran entry into the series. That's honestly ridiculous and I can't believe more people don't see it. Nintendo hasn't forgotten about Samus Aran just because they haven't made Metroid into a yearly franchise.
March of the Crabs
Member
So you've played this long enough to know it's "bad content"?
Baron von Loathsome
Member
There is no sign that there is any other new Metroid game in development. For all we knew at the time of the game's reveal, this was the extent of Metroid's future. Hell, from the sound of it, there might currently be no mainline Metroid in active development.
TheSlySoul
Member
NLG isn't a garbage studio.
Good studios can produce bad things though like Sanzaru with Sonic Boom.
This is probably a crap budget being sold for full price.
Just like Metroid Prime: Hunters...
Team Ninja still had a good record with Ninja Gaiden. Funny enough I think Other M's gameplay was solid. The story was terrible which was Nintendo's contribution.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Eh personally it might be something to see what the Federation does in the Metroid universe. They always come off as secretive and plotting at times.
I was being a bit facetious, sure. Some big sprawling AAA title is just one thing everyone was clamoring for.
But its foolish to think a 2D Metroid with high quality pixel art would be cheap. One fan's small mockup is hardly representative of an entire game. Pixel art is expensive and is a rapidly fading skill.
Nintendo absolutely does not like making sequels without some kind of hook or gimmick. This, much to my personal disappointment, carries on to Metroid these days. Gone are the days Nintendo just made a new version of existing IP with more powerful hardware.
That would be like announcing Metroid Other M with nothing else in the pipeline.
If Metroid survived Other M, it can (and will) survive this low level spinoff.
El Pescado
Member
Yes, I have. I don't understand how you can say it's "shallow as all get-out" when you've seen a trailer and maybe two missions played on a show floor when the game is at the very least 6 months from completion.
Also, this.
I guess the main reason I'm not upset is that I fully believe that Retro is working on a mainline Metroid entry. Either a Prime sequel or a 2D re-boot of sorts with visuals at the level of Tropical Freeze.
Nintendo showed a lot of 2015 stuff at last year's E3 but, for whatever reason, they decided to stick mostly to 2015 stuff this year (Zelda included).
And yes, I know Federation Force is 2016, but it essentially got the CNS slot from last year. It was ready to demo so they're showing it.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
The way they were promoting it, it definitely felt like Other M was intended to be a mainline Metroid. And at least it had Samus and attempted to expand her story, however badly they may have botched it.
dancrane212
Member
A followup to Corruption is all I want. Nice to see that the idea is still floating around out there.
Is this the first confirmation on Sylux being the mystery ship at the end of 3? It was pretty similar but it's nice to have confirmation.
electroshockwave
Member
Strangely, it hasn't been 5 years since the last Mario game.
Simbabbad
Member
This. It's an amazing studio, which I actually like better than Retro Studios. I hope people will calm down quick, it must be pretty depressing for them right now.
Also, Retro Studios may not WANT to work on Metroid again. When they were given the choice, they chose something else. After all, when they released, Echoes and Corruption were accused of being more of the same, and betraying the franchise (ammo and dark/light mechanics in Echoes, cinematic experience and NPC in Corruption, etc).
What this meltdown really showed is the Metroid fanbase has become toxic. Developers will now think twice before being involved in a Metroid game, nobody wants insults and death threats. Just look at Sakurai being fed up with Smash Bros. and being bitter about the fanbase and thinking of quitting, and he's getting only a small part of the trash Metroid involved people are getting.
And if by chance a main Metroid game is made again, nobody would take a chance at innovation, it'll be a Super Metroid clone which to me is the death of the series.
OK: who cares? What does it change at all? Does this game decrease the chances of a new Metroid game? Nope.
yoshiunity
Member
All this... over a spin-off. I mean, lord. I've been waiting even longer for a new F-Zero game, and I'm not going completely savage about it .
Honestly, after seeing the trailer, I was curious. But seeing it in action in the treehouse, I think it looks great.
The mechanics work fine -- and since the player won't play as Samus, but the Galactic Federation who do work as a team -- I'm fine with this spin-off and will be something for me to enjoy until the next Metroid title. It's an SD (Super Deformed) spin-off -- not "Chibi" since there's nothing cute about this game -- that actually looks competent and fun. I actually wonder how people acted when Metroid Prime Pinball came out or when Metroid Prime was first revealed.
Also, the Blast Ball multi-player is just a extra add-on. I don't think that it will hold my attention as much as the main missions, but I'll play it.
Honestly, after seeing the trailer, I was curious. But seeing it in action in the treehouse, I think it looks great.
The mechanics work fine -- and since the player won't play as Samus, but the Galactic Federation who do work as a team -- I'm fine with this spin-off and will be something for me to enjoy until the next Metroid title. It's an SD (Super Deformed) spin-off -- not "Chibi" since there's nothing cute about this game -- that actually looks competent and fun. I actually wonder how people acted when Metroid Prime Pinball came out or when Metroid Prime was first revealed.
Also, the Blast Ball multi-player is just a extra add-on. I don't think that it will hold my attention as much as the main missions, but I'll play it.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
From the article I linked, it doesn't sound like Metroid is currently the studio's main focus right now. And while Retro may be best known for Metroid Prime, it's just as likely, possibly more so, that they're working on another Donkey Kong or some other classic Nintendo IP.
Sounds like there is 1 or more 2D Metroid in the works. There's also Retro's next game which may be Metroid. Hypotethically Retro could be working on a Metroid game that isn't part of the Prime series, while other people have plans to create a Prime 4.
No, it's entirely different.
This is a spinoff from the getgo.
Other M was promoted as the next Super Metroid, the very super important missing link between Super Metroid and Fusion.
They expanded nothing in that shitshow and made the whole franchise lamer by the time they were done with it.
This is a very unimportant spinoff barely more important in term of plot than the last Prime Hunters or even Metroid Blast.
And for all I know it's just a way to increase anticipation for Metroid Prime 4 storywise.
They're not trying to BS us this time.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
I was referring to Other M in my post.
My bad.
We asked Tanabe if Metroid Prime Federation Force is the only Metroid Prime game he's working on. "I said this at the beginning, but Im not involved in the 2D Metroid games that [Yoshio] Sakamoto works on," Tanabe said.
To me this tacitly implies that a 2D Metroid is under development.
efyu_lemonardo
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cool
Baron von Loathsome
Member
I read that as Sakamoto being charge of 2D Metroids in general, not particularly right now.
It's a spin-off. I'm fine with Metroid Prime Pinball too.
I'll play it before passing final judgment.
That reads more like 2D Metroid is Sakamoto's domain and he isn't involved, not that one is in the works. It could be or not, he doesn't know.
StreetsAhead
Member
It may mean so, but he's either a non-native speaker communicating in English or speaking through an interpreter. Either way, it opens up the potential for miscommunication.
efyu_lemonardo
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how so?
Tanabe could have just answered with a yes or no to that question.
TheSlySoul
Member
Metroid Prime Pinball had higher quality production though.
Even for a spin-off this looks cheap.
efyu_lemonardo
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It's a year from release!
TheSlySoul
Member
I will give you that. Mario 3D World shaped up plenty in 6 months.
It went from cheap looking to amazing.
There's more co-op elements than in Mass Effect, which only required to carry and upload data.
TheSlySoul
Member
Pre-orders are stating $40, so maybe?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
We've already had two Mario platformers during the life of the Wii U. Mario platformers are a given, Metroid is not.
So when you've been waiting five years for a new edition, and are given some "spin off" that has nothing to do with the franchise, it flat out sucks.
The trailer looked really bad to me, but someone showed me the gameplay sessions from those threehouse videos and it actually looks really good. I haven't been a big Nintendo gamer since the end of the Gamecube days but I do check out some of the games now and again (and I have a 3DS, my first Nintendo console since the GC), and this looks superfun. It's not what I want out of a Metroid game, but as a standalone weird thingy it looks interesting, and I really like Next Level.
I doubt I'll be able to convince friends to play this with me though. I only know a handful of people with a 3DS and whenever we get together we don't really play games anymore. I hope it still works as a single player title, or if it's easy enough to play this online, otherwise I'll give it a miss.
I doubt I'll be able to convince friends to play this with me though. I only know a handful of people with a 3DS and whenever we get together we don't really play games anymore. I hope it still works as a single player title, or if it's easy enough to play this online, otherwise I'll give it a miss.
Or atleast a 2d Metroid.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Quoting for emphasis. Needs to be put in OP.