AMD Radeon Fury X Series | HBM, Small Form Factor And Water Cooling | June 16th

Seanspeed said:
It's not irrelevant at all. The fact that it is so far away is going to have pretty massive implications for what happens now and over the next year in-between.

The price war could get really interesting. Especially the closer we get to the new generation of cards, as they'll be a huge leap forward, meaning both manufacturers might be able to justify getting *quite* low with the prices of these current cards.
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The price war that will take place when the Fury X, Fury and Nano release is not going to be effected by GPUs that are 10+ months away though. AMD is going to likely have all their Fiji GPUs out by August. They then have a big chance to get them in customers' homes as there will likely be no response from Nvidia in that time in terms of products. They'll only switch focus to Arctic Islands/Pascal next year.
 
Them publishing that fact is hardly going to endear them to AMD further though. It's not like there aren't a dozen other places that will get them and the reviews and clicks that come with them.
 
michaelius said:
AMD seems to be making sure that people write about Fury positevely or not at all

http://www.overclock.net/t/1561037/kg-amd-withdraw-kitguru-fury-x-sample-over-negative-content
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I figured this was already happening because honestly, from a marketing standpoint, why give your product to someone who you think is predisposed to just shitting on AMD in the first place.

Actually reading Kitguru, you can't help but feel they fight for team green just a little too much. Most AMD card reviews end with finding some way of saying "Yeah, but NVIDIA does this thing better"
 
Just brushed up on these cards... still a big hole in regards to a direct competitor to the 970. I guess I'll have to wait for the 380x.
 
Nostremitus said:
Just like the 280X was just a refreshed 7970 with optimizations... Your point?
The 390 is the second tier GPU this gen just as the 280 was the second tier GPU last gen... It's a reworked version of last gen's flagship.

You read my comment before responding, right? The 390(X) is not the 290(X) successor... That's Fury/X/Nano. They shifted the numbering scheme in order to have a named flagship card.
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390(x) is almost only as fast as the 290(x) but seems to need more power and is more expensive.
 
x3sphere said:
Been watching that TR livestream too. Scott Wasson hinted that the average performance between 980 Ti and Fury might be closer than those AMD numbers indicate. He also said he expects both sides to have big wins. Since there's quite a difference in how AMD/NV approach getting the performance that they do, there's going to be more of a disparity depending on the game.
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Yes I can see that. Especially with the technology being so different between NV and AMD at this point. The onus really will be on AMD to deliver solid and timely driver updates. It seems like they've been better this past month (that 15.20 beta driver seems to be showing some nice gains in certain games) but they need to continue to do that once the Fury is in customers hands.

Is a Fury review embargo known? I'd assume Monday...
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Edit- from the Forbes article linked earlier - "While our personal performance reviews are still embargoed until the 24th..." So yeah, we won't be seeing any actual independent benches until the 24th.
 
So we dont have any independent testing yet? Some of those bench setups sound pretty forced in terms of producing their desired result (eg why would unity players want to pick medium graphics quality?)

If independent tests show the same kind of figures its clear why NVidia cut price so much from Titan X to 980 Ti.

Personally I would still pick nVidia simply for 3D vision, but its good to have competition keeping both companies honest.
 
I don't care if the numbers are very close between the 980ti and the fury x.

The price point of the fury x suggests that they should be close, at the end of the day I'm at the point now where I want a quiet card that runs cool and offers me good performance per dollar ratio.

I'm buying a new card next week whether it's the fury x or the 980ti I just want to play my games on my pc now especially with our dollar being so crappy in Canada and pc games on average are 20 dollars cheaper.
 
Randam said:
390(x) is almost only as fast as the 290(x) but seems to need more power and is more expensive.
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The price increase is supposedly justified by double the VRAM. YMMV if it's worth it. YMMV on power usage too, as some of the 390 series vault way ahead of 290 in powers, others don't and clearly show a performance per watt gain.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1019-radeon-r9-390x-390-380/page7.html

This HIS 390X runs very cool, uses the exact same wattage as a 290X, yet has double the memory and is 9% faster. The MSI 390X that's making it's rounds around review sites seems excessively power hungry. The Sapphire one seems better, as especially does this HIS. With no reference to go around, it's gonna be varied.
 
Jebusman said:
I figured this was already happening because honestly, from a marketing standpoint, why give your product to someone who you think is predisposed to just shitting on AMD in the first place.

Actually reading Kitguru, you can't help but feel they fight for team green just a little too much. Most AMD card reviews end with finding some way of saying "Yeah, but NVIDIA does this thing better"
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And what if NVIDIA really does this thing better?
 
Hayvic said:
So in what timeframe, if at all, are you guys expecting Nvidia pricedrops? I'm still on the fence.
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I wouldn't. nVidia isn't getting blown out of the water by any means. At the moment it looks like the Fury X is a match for the 980 Ti. Minus nVidia features that have become essential for some like G-Sync.
 
Randam said:
390(x) is almost only as fast as the 290(x) but seems to need more power and is more expensive.
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Was the 280X much faster than the 7970?

I'm really not seeing a point in what you're saying at all...

The 390 is a refresh of the 290. It's clocked a little higher, has twice the VRAM, and uses a bit more energy. And that's the slot it is in as the 2nd Tier GPU from AMD...

The 390(x) is slotted in the same spot the 280(X) sat last gen. Only this time instead of the 280X basically being the exact same as the 7970, the 390(x) gets double the VRAM.

I don't know how to more clearly spell this out...

290(x) is replaced by Fury(x)
280(x) is replaced by 390(x)


Are you mad at AMD for reorganizing the structure of their naming system or something? I really don't get it.

At first I thought you were confused and thought that the 390(x) was meant to replace the 290(x), and that confusion is understandable considering the change in AMD's naming scheme but at this point that change has been addressed in every response I've made...

I don't see how you could still be confused as to where the 390(x) is supposed to sit in the AMD pecking order...

I'll say it one last time.

The 390(X) is the successor to the 280(X) in AMD's lineup. It handily outperforms the card it is replacing.
Fury(X)>290(X)
390(X)>280(X)
380>270
etc.
 
Coulomb_Barrier said:
The price war that will take place when the Fury X, Fury and Nano release is not going to be effected by GPUs that are 10+ months away though. AMD is going to likely have all their Fiji GPUs out by August. They then have a big chance to get them in customers' homes as there will likely be no response from Nvidia in that time in terms of products. They'll only switch focus to Arctic Islands/Pascal next year.
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The price war has already started. AMD's current prices are almost assuredly in response to what Nvidia have priced their cards.

And yes, the fact that Nvidia wont have a response in terms of new products come later in the year(where they usually would) is exactly why price wars will become interesting. Nvidia will have to compete by pricing instead of trying to outmuscle AMD with new cards like they usually do. In fact, if AMD actually do have the cards that are slightly more powerful, it may put Nvidia in the position of needing to have the better 'value' cards rather than just riding out any short term disadvantage before introducing something new.

I think it could get interesting.
 
Oh absolutely. I'm sure that AMD would have priced the Fury X higher had the 980Ti come out at a higher price. And that is likely the reason that Nvidia announced it and launched it when they did.

AMD may have the more compelling product this time around, which may sway some folks, but Nvidia probably has the better margin on the 980Ti just because it isn't the shiny new technology. Nvidia's pricing move was aimed at hurting AMD in the wallet and we'll have to see how much it hurt them as we go forward.
 
Seanspeed said:
The price war has already started. AMD's current prices are almost assuredly in response to what Nvidia have priced their cards.

And yes, the fact that Nvidia wont have a response in terms of new products come later in the year(where they usually would) is exactly why price wars will become interesting. Nvidia will have to compete by pricing instead of trying to outmuscle AMD with new cards like they usually do. In fact, if AMD actually do have the cards that are slightly more powerful, it may put Nvidia in the position of needing to have the better 'value' cards rather than just riding out any short term disadvantage before introducing something new.

I think it could get interesting.
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So Sean, you leaning towards Nvidia or AMD?
 
michaelius said:
AMD seems to be making sure that people write about Fury positevely or not at all

http://www.overclock.net/t/1561037/kg-amd-withdraw-kitguru-fury-x-sample-over-negative-content
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Hmm, more info/history needed. Kitguru must've done something or said biased things in the past maybe. I would like to know more before passing judgment. If I were AMD, I would also keep my products far away from nVidia fanboys, nothing wrong with giving the product to credible sources first.
 
review unit unboxing pictures:

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via http://www.pcpop.com/doc/1/1105/1105336.shtml

NDA lift date is apparently June 24, 12:00 UTC
 
Seanspeed said:
I have no leanings. My GTX970 will get me through the next year just fine. I'm waiting for the big jump in 2016. I'll see what things look like then.
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I'm with you. I'll stick with my 970 until next year, but I could easily go back to AMD if their HBM2 products are superior.
 
dr_rus said:
And what if NVIDIA really does this thing better?
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Hmm, well it depends on the wording. It is possible to review a product without constantly selling your favorite one. The degree in which they do it would also have to be considered. You can't get a fair shake from someone who's constantly trying to sell you an nVidia card. I don't know enough of Kitguru, but AMD seems to think they're biased. Eventually it won't matter anyway, I don't see this as a bad move for AMD.
 
Seanspeed said:
I have no leanings. My GTX970 will get me through the next year just fine. I'm waiting for the big jump in 2016. I'll see what things look like then.
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Yeah, this is another thing that worries me getting a 980Ti/Fury now - in a year it could be seriously outgunned by HBM2 devices.

But I have a 4K monitor with a 7950 - I'm not sure I can take it much more.
 
Lucius86 said:
Yeah, this is another thing that worries me getting a 980Ti/Fury now - in a year it could be seriously outgunned by HBM2 devices.

But I have a 4K monitor with a 7950 - I'm not sure I can take it much more.
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The drop to 16nm and the greater number of shaders and hopefully higher clock speeds is going to be a far greater performance boost. Memory bandwidth isn't really a problem on top end cards and HBM is more about lowering the amount of power used (GDDR5 chips are real power hogs at 1750MHz), running cooler and going down to smaller form factors.
 
Crisium said:
The price increase is supposedly justified by double the VRAM. YMMV if it's worth it. YMMV on power usage too, as some of the 390 series vault way ahead of 290 in powers, others don't and clearly show a performance per watt gain.
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Nostremitus said:
Was the 280X much faster than the 7970?

I'm really not seeing a point in what you're saying at all... [...]
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here:

8192MB Sapphire Radeon R9 290X Tri-X OC for 406€

and here:

8192MB Sapphire Radeon R9 390X Tri-X for 470€

both with 8gb vram, but the 390X cost 65€ more.
 
Seanspeed said:
I have no leanings. My GTX970 will get me through the next year just fine. I'm waiting for the big jump in 2016. I'll see what things look like then.
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I'm wondering the same if I should just stick with my 780 Ti until the next set of cards comes out.. The memory is the biggest problem really...
 
Randam said:
here:

8192MB Sapphire Radeon R9 290X Tri-X OC for 406€

and here:

8192MB Sapphire Radeon R9 390X Tri-X for 470€

both with 8gb vram, but the 390X cost 65€ more.
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That's from price cutting the old one to get it off the shelves. Happens every time with a regbadge. 680s were way cheaper than 770s when they launched, 7970s were way cheaper than 280Xs when they launched. It's not an issue of MSRP though, it's an issue of steep cuts to make room for the newly branded product.
 
The 300 series is definitely not a good deal, but the refresh might still be worth it for AMD themselves. The only card that really needed the memory upgrade was the 380, and I think they still mostly sell them as 2GB variants. Both 960 and 380 are powerful enough to require more than 2 GB, but the 4GB variants seem to be too premium priced and have low availability, which is unfortunate. AMD should've gone with 4GB only model against the 960 2GB.

After reading Techreport's latest coverage and listening to the podcast, it really seems like AMD was hit hard by the absence of 20 nm this year. Fiji was apparently limited by the reticle limit for the ~1000mm^2 interposer, so they couldn't really fit a bigger engine to fully utilize the super fast HBM memory. With 20nm Nvidia would've had to go with a massive 512-bit bus with GDDR5 to get anywhere close, but now it seems like most of the advantage of HBM isn't really utilized by Fiji, and the performance seems to be a toss-up between Nvidia/AMD.

In any case it'll be really interesting to see how the performance unfolds considering there's quite a bit of difference between GM200 and Fiji in terms of architectural strengths. There might be big wins or losses depending on what part of the game engine happens to be the bottleneck. It's very likely Nvidia is going push GameWorks hard with effects that are favorable to the Maxwell architecture.
 
DieH@rd said:
17 sweet sweet teraflops. And to think that 14nm [16nm really] will bring 2x improvement of performance per watt over 28nm.

If all goes well, next year we will maybe get 13-15 tflop SINGLE CHIP cards [when 16nm get optimized, I'm sure single chips will go up to 17-18].
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whoa.

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AMD did not give this board a name but we’ll call it Fury X2 until AMD names it.
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UTC is +4 hours for EDT, is that right? So we should see reviews start hitting around 8pm on Tuesday evening the 23rd for us East coasters in the USA if I am doing my math right.

Also: sexy unboxing pictures! That is a good looking card in a nice package.
 
Hopefully we get reviews this weekend.

Also regarding kitguru the guy in the video is a joke. Several nvidia "leaning" sites got review cards so I doubt AMD is trying to hide any sort of legit criticisms.
 
Interesting article about the assembly of the Fury chip itself. It is made in Korea but not my Samsung. SK Hynix (AMD's memory supplier) actually does the final assembly. A quote from the article:

"What’s actually happening behind the curtain is that AMD would send each known good Fiji die, i.e. fully functional Fiji chip, to SK Hynix. Who would then proceed to add the stacked memory modules, assemble the package and ship it back. This would ensure that every single Fiji + HBM package that AMD receives would have fully functional memory chips."

I find stuff like that interesting.
 
matmanx1 said:
UTC is +4 hours for EDT, is that right? So we should see reviews start hitting around 8pm on Tuesday evening the 23rd for us East coasters in the USA if I am doing my math right.

Also: sexy unboxing pictures! That is a good looking card in a nice package.
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I'm pretty sure it's in the 24 hour format so 8 in the morning for EDT.
 
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