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[PositronicMan]

Wait people are complaining about the price? This is standard pricing for an MMO Expansion Pack:

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm $40
World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria $40
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward $40

Seriously I would love to see a census of the current Playerbase of Destiny to determine how many of those players ever played an MMO before Destiny because I can only imagine how much whining they would give if they had to pay a monthly subscription in top of the expansion price.

Not so sure that quoting the prices of WoW expansions is really going to further your point here. You got tons of content in those expansions that irrevocably changed the game in some way for the better, I doubt TKK has 25% of what went into a WoW expansion, and they know this.

 

[Kyne]

the OP of the thread probably should have had a disclaimer.

the physical collector's edition (the $80 version that everyone is complaining about) is already completely sold out.

edit: and is apparently on ebay going for $170+

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Wait people are complaining about the price? This is standard pricing for an MMO Expansion Pack:

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm $40
World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria $40
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward $40

Seriously I would love to see a census of the current Playerbase of Destiny to determine how many of those players ever played an MMO before Destiny because I can only imagine how much whining they would give if they had to pay a monthly subscription in top of the expansion price.

Is not that Destiny is an MMO to charge monthly subscription though! And neither that one, justifies the other...

 

[Jblanks]

Wait people are complaining about the price? This is standard pricing for an MMO Expansion Pack:

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm $40
World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria $40
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward $40

Seriously I would love to see a census of the current Playerbase of Destiny to determine how many of those players ever played an MMO before Destiny because I can only imagine how much whining they would give if they had to pay a monthly subscription in top of the expansion price.

Yea not a good comparison, and you probably shouldn't have brought it up.

 

[MrGreencastle]

Wow, what the fuck at this interview!

Bungie has come a long way from the company who fought Microsoft in order to have free DLC for Halo 2.

Seriously, I like Destiny, spent A LOT of time in it. But seeing this utter and complete lack of respect for their CUSTOMERS... There's no way I can continue supporting this company.

I mean, they made the Dark Below PvP maps free for everyone when House of Wolves came out. That's basically the same thing they did when Halo 2 map packs were released, and it's a great thing for the long-term health of the PvP playlists. Hopefully they continue that pattern when TTK comes out with the HoW maps.

 

[rav]

Wait people are complaining about the price? This is standard pricing for an MMO Expansion Pack:

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm $40
World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria $40
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward $40

Seriously I would love to see a census of the current Playerbase of Destiny to determine how many of those players ever played an MMO before Destiny because I can only imagine how much whining they would give if they had to pay a monthly subscription in top of the expansion price.

Except we all know Destiny 2 is around the corner. And will likely cost $60. MMOs generally only sell DLC / Expansions after the first launch.

 

[KillerSloth]

Not so sure that quoting the prices of WoW expansions is really going to further your point here. You got tons of content in those expansions that irrevocably changed the game in some way for the better, I doubt TKK has 25% of what went into a WoW expansion, and they know this.

YEah but you also pay a subscription....No game that does not have a sub or is filled with microtransactions. Any game that you play hundreds of hours will have you traversing the same landmass.

Except we all know Destiny 2 is around the corner. And will likely cost $60. MMOs generally only sell DLC / Expansions after the first launch.

MMO's have a sub or in game money.....Not the same.

 

[piratethingy]

Wait people are complaining about the price? This is standard pricing for an MMO Expansion Pack:

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm $40
World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria $40
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward $40

Seriously I would love to see a census of the current Playerbase of Destiny to determine how many of those players ever played an MMO before Destiny because I can only imagine how much whining they would give if they had to pay a monthly subscription in top of the expansion price.

There's no version of any of those that includes the base game and extra content on top that you can't get anywhere else. If you preordered Destiny and have purchased all available expansions so far and you want to get everything in this new set of content, you must purchase the base game again. That you already own. There is no way around this.

 

[Falcker]

Wait people are complaining about the price? This is standard pricing for an MMO Expansion Pack:

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm $40
World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria $40
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward $40

Seriously I would love to see a census of the current Playerbase of Destiny to determine how many of those players ever played an MMO before Destiny because I can only imagine how much whining they would give if they had to pay a monthly subscription in top of the expansion price.

If the content matched the same like the price does not as many people would complain.

I would be surprised if it matched the content of a major patch let alone an expansion.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Wait people are complaining about the price? This is standard pricing for an MMO Expansion Pack:

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm $40
World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria $40
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward $40

Seriously I would love to see a census of the current Playerbase of Destiny to determine how many of those players ever played an MMO before Destiny because I can only imagine how much whining they would give if they had to pay a monthly subscription in top of the expansion price.

This is of course ignoring that in actual MMO's you have... hundreds of different things to do, wildly difference classes and races, full role-playing opportunities and just an incredible wealth of base content.

Destiny is literally just the shooting and dancing.

 

[rav]

YEah but you also pay a subscription....No game that does not have a sub or is filled with microtransactions. Any game that you play hundreds of hours will have you traversing the same landmass.



MMO's have a sub or in game money.....Not the same.

Not all do. And we surely didn't get a new continent amount of content like WoW (and EQ if I recall correctly) has experienced. ALL of the DLC so far with Destiny has been pretty terrible.

 

[Trup1aya]

What I really meant is that both parties are to blame, but one seems to be the fall guy.

That's because we already knew Activision was a bunch of money grubbing jerks... But Bungie had a history of providing tremendous value... When people saw that they signed with Activision, there was an assumption that they wouldn't sign a deal if they didn't have assurance that their legacy would be upheld... Turns out, however, they don't give a shit about what people think of them, as long as they are getting the big bucks...

 

[KillerSloth]

Not all do. And we surely didn't get a new continent amount of content like WoW (and EQ if I recall correctly) has experienced. ALL of the DLC so far with Destiny has been pretty terrible.

Not all MMO's have a sub or microtransactions? Name 1.

 

[Ledhead]

If the other 'expansions' are anything to go by, I don't know if I would consider what is included in TTK to be worth the price of admission

 

[BriGuy]

I feel so burned by the vanilla Destiny experience that I would have reservations picking this up for $4, let alone $40.

 

[PositronicMan]

I would actually rather see a sub for Destiny and have them use the trickle of funds to fix what is broke and to release content on a semi-regular basis and just forgo any mention of Destiny 2 at all.

But that would be putting the onus on Bungie to fix itemization, character progression, and the myriad of other gross flaws, in a timely matter, and I just don't see it happening.

 

[Razmos]

I still laugh when people compare Destiny expansions to MMO expansions. Not even close to the amount of content for the same price, an absolute joke and a terrible defense.

 

[Stallion Dan]

Random fact: For the price of TTK I can buy MGSV and have £5 to spare afterwards.

 

[Slightly Live]

Base game felt like terrible value. I was very disappointed.
This new product costs the same as the base game but has significantly less content.

Bungie won me over with HoW - the Dark Below was such a ripoff it was offensive. I had thought and hoped they had learned.

Seemingly not.

If this decision is any indicator of the future of Destiny, well I'm out.

 

[KillerSloth]

I still laugh when people compare Destiny expansions to MMO expansions. Not even close to the amount of content for the same price, an absolute joke and a terrible defense.

Again..mmos have a sub or are filled with mocrotransactions.

 

[PositronicMan]

Random fact: For the price of TTK I can buy MGSV and have £5 to spare afterwards.

Or the myriad of other games coming out this Fall/Holiday season that offer more content and don't force you to buy previous versions that they know you already have.

 

[GeeTeeCee]

So $40 somehow equates to £40? That's just shy of the price of the base game at launch, which was pretty thin on content itself. I bailed on Destiny when they wanted £20 for a few hours of content for the first dlc, but was hoping the new expansion would tempt me back in. Looks like that won't be happening anytime soon.

 

[TemplaerDude]

Holy shit forty fucking dollars? Hahahahaha man Bungie picked up those milking skills from Activision real fast.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

That's why competition is so important. The Division looks great so far and both games have the same target audience. Activision will have to change its pricing policy if The Division offers more content for way less money.

I wouldn't bet on a Ubisoft game doing anything right to be honest.

This is why the Destiny fanbase will always get the majority of my ire. It's like these gamers have never played a coop shooter with friends and voice chat in a party before. I don't get it.

Eh, a lot of people flock to what's popular. I honestly don't blame "them". I blame people that complain but at the end of the day continue to buy these type of games/pay for these types of deals.

 

[krillehhh]

I don't see what the problem is? Just skip the trial version for a couple of months until the real version (GOTY/Complete edition) comes out.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Yep. Bungie has been very clear in their statements that TTK includes one new "destination" - the Dreadnought.

Current Destiny has four destinations: Earth, The Moon, Venus and Mars.

In fairness, they are also adding new spaces to the existing locations. They showed one strike set on Venus that started in existing territory, and then branched into new areas for the second half. We've also seen a few new spaces in the Cosmodrome from the vidoc. Not sure the extent to which the Taken King does this, but there will be more new spaces than just the Dreadnought. I think it's a different value prop if there's only one new destination, but existing ones also get built out.

 

[pj]

Wait people are complaining about the price? This is standard pricing for an MMO Expansion Pack:

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm $40
World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria $40
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward $40

Seriously I would love to see a census of the current Playerbase of Destiny to determine how many of those players ever played an MMO before Destiny because I can only imagine how much whining they would give if they had to pay a monthly subscription in top of the expansion price.

Destiny isn't an MMO. It's a co-op shooter with nearly one halo game's worth of content and 400 currencies and treadmills that attempt to keep you just barely happy enough to keep playing.

 

[Green Yoshi]

So, they got non-stop complaints about the huge lack of content for the $60 base game, and decide to now sell you 1/4th of the content for almost the same price.

These guys are fucking shameless.

The sad thing is that it works.

 

[gdt]

I don't see what the problem is? Just skip the trial version for a couple of months until the real version (GOTY/Complete edition) comes out.

This is the complete year 1 edition. There will be 2 more expansions after this one and then Destiny 2.

Its an MMO.

 

[secretanchitman]

I feel so burned by the vanilla Destiny experience that I would have reservations picking this up for $4, let alone $40.

Same fucking here. Got burned by the LE of Destiny for $99 (thank goodness I sold it) and they have the balls to charge $40 for this? I highly doubt that the expansion is worth $40 but people will gobble it up no matter what.

 

[PositronicMan]

In fairness, they are also adding new spaces to the existing locations. They showed one strike set on Earth that started in existing territory, and then branched into new areas for the second half. We've also seen a few new spaces in the Cosmodrome from the vidoc. Not sure the extent to which the Taken King does this, but there will be more new spaces than just the Dreadnought.

Yeah it seems like you're going to ascend one of those giant space shuttle towers with the fuel nacelles on them.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Wait people are complaining about the price? This is standard pricing for an MMO Expansion Pack:

World of Warcraft: Cataclysm $40
World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria $40
Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward $40

Seriously I would love to see a census of the current Playerbase of Destiny to determine how many of those players ever played an MMO before Destiny because I can only imagine how much whining they would give if they had to pay a monthly subscription in top of the expansion price.

Congrats, you just compared an FPS with MMO-light qualities to a full fledged MMO.

Remember when the defense was "Destiny isn't an MMO, don't compare it to it.

I guess it's time to flip the script!

 

[Zen Mu]

Man.... These cats are out of their damn minds with this shit.

 

[Razmos]

Remember when the defense was "Destiny isn't an MMO, don't compare it to it.

Lmao, this is so true.

I was going to mention this but wasn't sure if I was remembering correctly.

 

[PositronicMan]

This is the complete year 1 edition. There will be 2 more expansions after this one and then Destiny 2.

Its an MMO.

... But it's not an MMO.

 

[aeolist]

good to see luke smith has come so far, from being an obnoxious unpaid shill on podcasts to an obnoxious paid shill in interviews

 

[RiccochetJ]

In fairness, they are also adding new spaces to the existing locations. They showed one strike set on Venus that started in existing territory, and then branched into new areas for the second half. We've also seen a few new spaces in the Cosmodrome from the vidoc. Not sure the extent to which the Taken King does this, but there will be more new spaces than just the Dreadnought. I think it's a different value prop if there's only one new destination, but existing ones also get built out.

Hopefully they'll show more or give us concrete information as the release gets closer. After HoW, I'm cautiously optimistic about this expansion.

 

[pj]

In fairness, they are also adding new spaces to the existing locations. They showed one strike set on Earth that started in existing territory, and then branched into new areas for the second half. We've also seen a few new spaces in the Cosmodrome from the vidoc. Not sure the extent to which the Taken King does this, but there will be more new spaces than just the Dreadnought. I think it's a different value prop if there's only one new destination, but existing ones also get built out.

In fairness, new rooms attached to existing areas is not even remotely the same as new hub areas with their own new rooms. Especially when the new rooms are on planets you don't really want to go to because you've already seen them and killed the same exact groups of enemies for a hundred hours.

Even being generous they're adding maybe 30% square footage over the base game. Two new destinations would make $40 a much easier pill to swallow.

 

[NullPointer]

In fairness, they are also adding new spaces to the existing locations. They showed one strike set on Earth that started in existing territory, and then branched into new areas for the second half. We've also seen a few new spaces in the Cosmodrome from the vidoc. Not sure the extent to which the Taken King does this, but there will be more new spaces than just the Dreadnought.

More areas, but not more planets or planet sized areas besides the Dreadnought - that was all I was trying to be clear about. Like Phobos might be a new area but its not an additional world like Venus or Mars.

So TTK has the one new destination in the form of the ship, which I think is also the location of the raid. And as you mention, probably a few new areas added to the existing destinations.

 

[PositronicMan]

More areas, but not more planets or planet sized areas besides the Dreadnought - that was all I was trying to be clear about. Like Phobos might be a new area but its not an additional world like Venus or Mars.

So TTK has the one new destination in the form of the ship, which I think is also the location of the raid. And as you mention, probably a few new areas added to the existing destinations.

I suspect they may expand the reef at some point too, I can't imagine that the docking area is all we get.

 

[Bry0]

YEah but you also pay a subscription....No game that does not have a sub or is filled with microtransactions. Any game that you play hundreds of hours will have you traversing the same landmass.



MMO's have a sub or in game money.....Not the same.

I think something like Guild Wars 2 and Destiny are comparable.
The key difference, and the reason why I believe GW2 has much more value for the consumer is not only that is has a lot more content, but I feel it respects me as a consumer more. Spending money in the gem store is optional, living story update were free, and the first expansion is coming 3 years after launch. 60 bucks for base game and 50 for expansion is $110 over a span of 3 years. Not bad considering all the content.

Destiny is 60 for the base game, 2 dlcs for $35, and a $40 expansion in ONE year. Rumor has it there is going to be another 2 dlcs for $15-20 each after the expansion and a potential sequel in 2016? So we are talking nearly $180 dollars for a single game if I want to be able to hit max level and experience everything then get slammed with a sequel months later?
I feel like that business model simply asks too much of me too quickly and gives me too little. I feel like they don't respect me as a consumer, and it makes me feel like they are being greedy. Maybe bungie should just throw in some microtransactions for skins and vault slots and make the DLCs free and only charge for the major expansion? In that case I would be okay with it. As it is it is simply too expensive and lacking in value.

 

[RowdyReverb]

I own Destiny digitally and none of the expansions. All I want to know is can I buy the CE for all of the DLC and then sell the disc for the base game? Or is the add-on content on the disc itself, rather than a redeemable voucher?

I suppose it is still $20 cheaper to buy the CE than to buy the DLC separately, but for some reason it is irritating to get something you already own in the package.

 

[joecanada]

This may have been brought up before but for comparisons, take warframe a game that is free and gives you a psplus pack worth like 10 dollars on top of that,

hundreds of missions (many repetitive but yeah, we are comparing to destiny here so...)
dozens of characters (frames)
dozens and dozens of weapons all unique
hand to hand combat with it's own movesets and weapons.
hundreds of planets
same number of factions approximately.
dozens of unique bosses.

Recently I went back into warframe and lo and behold my paris prime, soma prime still wrecked enemies imagine my shock after playing destiny for so long..... because fuck you we made all your old shit outdated, now you need to grind for "etheric light"... this does nothing but force additional grindy elements on your old weapons so you desperately need to grind to keep old weapons....completely useless element to the game.

Destiny definitely does graphics/ smooth framerates better than warframe (not so much shooting both are pretty good).

both are grindy but warframe lets you trade to make any weapon you need basically.

In short Warframe with destiny skin on top >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>destiny.

Same fucking here. Got burned by the LE of Destiny for $99 (thank goodness I sold it) and they have the balls to charge $40 for this? I highly doubt that the expansion is worth $40 but people will gobble it up no matter what.

so is it confirmed that with the LE you will have to buy taken king on top for 40 bucks??

 

[TheGrue]

Oh Luke Smith, how low you have fallen. If you were still working at 1up back then you wouldn't agree having to this pricing.

This was my first thought reading this. I bet 1Up Luke would hate what Bungie Luke has become.

 

[oti]

This interview seals the deal, I'm definitely not going back to Destiny anytime soon. Wow.

 

[Maximus.]

It saddens me to see how Bungie has handled this franchise so far. The gameplay mechanics and controls were spot on and they had a somewhat interesting premise, but the story, missions and lack of content was abysmal. These expansions don't seem to be righting the wrong and just going with what didn't really work for people who were disappointed with the game. It's good they are catering to people who did enjoy their time in the game though.

 

[Dishy]

I own Destiny digitally and none of the expansions. All I want to know is can I buy the CE for all of the DLC and then sell the disc for the base game? Or is the add-on content on the disc itself, rather than a redeemable voucher?

I suppose it is still $20 cheaper to buy the CE than to buy the DLC separately, but for some reason it is irritating to get something you already own in the package.

We don't know yet if the DLCs are delivered via download codes or are on disc.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Holy shit forty fucking dollars? Hahahahaha man Bungie picked up those milking skills from Activision real fast.

Not to defend Bungie too much, but I doubt they set the price. They make the content. They can argue a bit about how to bring that. But in the end Activision is the publisher getting it in stores and selling it to people.

 

[MMaRsu]

Im gonna stay out of this cause I dont want to get banned for hating on Destiny again, but Bungie seems to have gotten arrogant as fuck with this new game.

First they catered to the players and fanbase a lot.

 

[MrDaravon]

I like Luke, but this was one of the absolute worst interviews I've ever seen someone give. The best I can hope for here is that they're getting fucked by Activision and he is just throwing it all under the bus on purpose or something. This whole interview is actually pretty unbelievable, I had to read the damn thing twice because parts of it read like a parody.

The $40 tag is debatable since we don't know the full details of what the expansion has, but they also invited this criticism by announcing the price so they could get your money now without providing full details so that's on them to a large extent. However it is completely indefensible that their most dedicated fanbase who would actually want the exclusive emotes has to buy both the game as well as the expansions they probably already have to get them. This is one of the most baffling things I have seen in forever.

As someone who occasionally plays a bit off and on and doesn't have either of the DLCs I was debating on trying to hold off on getting them and getting the complete edition, but this interview has me never even wanting to play the game again. I don't even really care about the emotes or would have bought that version to begin with, but you don't treat your playerbase like this. It's doubly disappointing because it's Bungie, who coming into Destiny's release was one of like 3 developers I would blindly trust on release.