Bungie defends Destiny: The Taken King's £/$40 price tag (Eurogamer)
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I don't know.. people seemed to think he handled the hardballs in the Giantbomb interview very well. Don't claim to know luke personally, but sounds like the tone of the interview didn't translate well into text. For me, I'd always rather hear from a designer/developer than a PR guy with a script. But that's just me.
PistolGrip
sex vacation in Guam
Oh wow he has moved up in the world from his 1up days. Good for him but his ego is getting the best of him here. Content creators without thick skins should not talk to the press.
PositronicMan
Member
Emphasis on minor grilling and not: your itemization is broken, your leveling system is broken, the amount of backtracking in your expansions is absurd.
I dig the game, I just wish they had paid attention to 12 years worth of MMO development and made systems that worked.
Trojan
Member
Luke Smith is one of the key reasons the original game was worth the grind (he architected the raid), and he also seems like a good dude from other interviews I've seen him on. That being said, there's no way I think that price is justifiable.
I would imagine his hand is being forced since those pricing decisions are typically made at the publisher level. Towing the company line sucks when it doesn't pass the common sense test, and I'm guessing that's what's happening here.
I would imagine his hand is being forced since those pricing decisions are typically made at the publisher level. Towing the company line sucks when it doesn't pass the common sense test, and I'm guessing that's what's happening here.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
It's a high price but I'm ok with it. If people are silly enough to buy this and they can charge that price and be successful then good for them.
What I'm saying is don't fucking buy it if you think the price is bad or the DLC is bullshit. Don't buy it and they won't charge crazy prices and try to charge multiple times for the same shit.
What I'm saying is don't fucking buy it if you think the price is bad or the DLC is bullshit. Don't buy it and they won't charge crazy prices and try to charge multiple times for the same shit.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
This is some straight up bullshit.
The saddest part is I have friends that would likely cough it up for this because of how sucked into this game they are.
FOR SHAME. FOR fucking SHAME.
Stahp Bungie Pls. Please.
The saddest part is I have friends that would likely cough it up for this because of how sucked into this game they are.
FOR SHAME. FOR fucking SHAME.
Stahp Bungie Pls. Please.
Nah, that stuff wasn't completed at all
'they act like you haven't seen them before' because that mission was a lot of people's first times in the vault of glass
Well
$80 gets you
The Taken King
Destiny
Expansion I: The Dark Below
Expansion II: House of Wolves
Early access weapons pack**
Digital Content: 3 Exotic Guardian Class items with XP bonuses, 3 class-specific emotes, and 3 armor shaders.
$60 gets you
The Taken King
Destiny
Expansion I: The Dark Below
Expansion II: House of Wolves
Early access weapons pack**
$40 gets you
The Taken King
So yeah, it would be nice to get those collectors items for having supported the game so far, or at least an optional CE upgrade for $50 or something. And don't conflate the people who don't feel $40 is worth whatever content is in the expansion with those who feel slighted for not being given specific options when purchasing the expansion.
Maybe at the conceptual stages, but I doubt everything was there and ready at launch.
WhiskeyKnight
Member
Luke Smith said:
soulassssns
Banned
So is there a DLC only package for those of us that only have the base game?
robertlebrone
Member
Destiny is just a game that's out to milk you dry. Your time, your money, it doesn't matter. I had to break the cycle so I deleted all my characters and gear so I wouldn't be temptied to play again.
So you're either along for the ride of being completely disrespected as a consumer or you say no and move on. Bungie has been doing this kind of stuff from the beginning with Destiny.
So you're either along for the ride of being completely disrespected as a consumer or you say no and move on. Bungie has been doing this kind of stuff from the beginning with Destiny.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
I've had hundreds of hours of fun in Destiny, but I guess the next time I'll be playing is Destiny 2. I just can't justify that price for that content. And if I'll get it from sale, all my friends are already far ahead/bored with it. So I'll pass.
Bungie, it was fun while it lasted, but there are far more interesting games releasing then.
Bungie, it was fun while it lasted, but there are far more interesting games releasing then.
Saiyan-Rox
Member
Here's a question. in the taken king CE's are the exansions all on the disc or are they redeem codes?? if they're redeem codes you could buy it, sell it and end up with more for around the same money...
But knowing activsion they've probably thought of that so the content is on the disc
But knowing activsion they've probably thought of that so the content is on the disc
PositronicMan
Member
Well if they were forced to release a year early of course it wouldn't have been completed yet.
I don't buy the VoG excuse, do they have statistics of people who have beaten VoG or at least gotten to the Templar? What else were people doing before TDB? Did they shelve the game rather than attempt the raid?
Plus the raids still do not have voice overs, they have no cinematics, and you have to force the group to orbit once you're finished. Only Crota's end has any exposition on why you're there.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
My brother, an AVID AVID Destiny fan, deleted all his 3 characters and deleted the game off his console.
Bungie lost a fan. Bungie (and Activision, and the industry) lost a big fan with this constant bullshit. His response for doing so: "You pay $60 for the game, and then they ask you to do all these chores and bounties and missions for hours and hours to get one item, and then they will rebalance the game and ask you to do the same all over again. They'll release full-priced expansions and expect you to do the same again and again. They expect you to play Destiny for the next 10 years. That's 10 years of my adult life spend on unlocking these artificial items already present in the game locked behind this bullshit that they expect you to pay for, and you have to do this grind to ensure you stay relevant in the competitive gaming. Why can't they just give you everything in the disc, and let you as a player decide which item you want to use?"
I just looked at him say all this and I realized that Bungie and Activision changed a man who would spend hundreds on collectors editions, and buy every single Call of Duty and get all the unique preorder items and bonuses via ebay because some items are hard to get. They changed a blind consumer (I tried telling him all this for so long and he wouldn't care because he wanted it) and literally made him open his eyes.
So yes. He deleted all his fully leveled characters, and made him delete his game.
His last words: "I'm practically done playing games. This nonsense wasn't there on PS3. This is nonsense and is a waste of my time and life."
Good riddance and thank Bungie.
Bungie lost a fan. Bungie (and Activision, and the industry) lost a big fan with this constant bullshit. His response for doing so: "You pay $60 for the game, and then they ask you to do all these chores and bounties and missions for hours and hours to get one item, and then they will rebalance the game and ask you to do the same all over again. They'll release full-priced expansions and expect you to do the same again and again. They expect you to play Destiny for the next 10 years. That's 10 years of my adult life spend on unlocking these artificial items already present in the game locked behind this bullshit that they expect you to pay for, and you have to do this grind to ensure you stay relevant in the competitive gaming. Why can't they just give you everything in the disc, and let you as a player decide which item you want to use?"
I just looked at him say all this and I realized that Bungie and Activision changed a man who would spend hundreds on collectors editions, and buy every single Call of Duty and get all the unique preorder items and bonuses via ebay because some items are hard to get. They changed a blind consumer (I tried telling him all this for so long and he wouldn't care because he wanted it) and literally made him open his eyes.
So yes. He deleted all his fully leveled characters, and made him delete his game.
His last words: "I'm practically done playing games. This nonsense wasn't there on PS3. This is nonsense and is a waste of my time and life."
Good riddance and thank Bungie.
Even if it is made by Activision, the way this guy answered the questions did not help Bungie at all.
Fbh
Member
I just feel like I should have waited a year to get Destiny.
Feel like paying $60 this september you get what the game should have originally launched with in terms of content
Oh well, mabye the DLC will get a big sale or discount once The Taken King arrives. Might give them a chance if that's the case
Feel like paying $60 this september you get what the game should have originally launched with in terms of content
Oh well, mabye the DLC will get a big sale or discount once The Taken King arrives. Might give them a chance if that's the case
NullPointer
Member
A company Bungie chose to partner with to see their Destiny fulfilled, after their super short-lived independence from MS. The buck stops at them both.
Sucks if he's done gaming for good. Because there is still a lot of great games out there that aren't trying to rip you off.
It sounds like he had an unhealthy reaction to an unhealthy habit.
Orochinagis
Member
The new areas in HoW were already there, just locked, the queen dailies were showed just once but locked in vanilla and moved to HoW, the third subclass slot were there since the Alpha but Bungie denied its existence maybe due time constraints.
There are still no new enemies despite two dlc already released since vanilla and Orix looks like a fuse between a Wizard and a knight Hive
That's why competition is so important. The Division looks great so far and both games have the same target audience. Activision will have to change its pricing policy if The Division offers more content for way less money.
pantsonhead
Member
I keep wanting to believe Bungie got wool pulled over their eyes and were fooled into this partnership by Activision's devious machinations, but they had to know what they were signing up for when they partnered up.
You know, I was contemplating returing to destiny today. After only playing HoW on its launch date, and then being distracted by the witcher 3 till now I considered returning.
But why?
Its fun for a while, giving you a high when playing with friends, doing the raids, and using the really well designed gunplay. But there is no substance to it. There is no end goal. You do the same activities over and over again, with slight variations in terms of nightfalls. There is no real purpose in playing this game, except hoping you get lucky and get some gun or armor piece that looks cool. I don't know why I am so compelled with this game. Hell, once I rage quit the game and deleted it of my HDD, only to re install it 2 days later.
I think this is what it feels like to try and quit smoking,drinking or gambling.
The longer I don't have something new to play, the more tempting destiny becomes.
But why?
Its fun for a while, giving you a high when playing with friends, doing the raids, and using the really well designed gunplay. But there is no substance to it. There is no end goal. You do the same activities over and over again, with slight variations in terms of nightfalls. There is no real purpose in playing this game, except hoping you get lucky and get some gun or armor piece that looks cool. I don't know why I am so compelled with this game. Hell, once I rage quit the game and deleted it of my HDD, only to re install it 2 days later.
I think this is what it feels like to try and quit smoking,drinking or gambling.
The longer I don't have something new to play, the more tempting destiny becomes.
piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
I was ready to hop back in to Destiny the other day. My friend I originally played with got back into it, I had heard good things about the new Xpac, so I was ready.
Then I realized they wanted me to pay full price for the first expansion ($20) and I literally laughed out loud at my TV.
Do they think there's no other games I can play? I set the bar so low for Destiny and they still continually trip under it. There's no way I'm paying $40 right now for a game I already paid $60 for (and didn't have anywhere near enough content at that price IMO) only to have to pay ANOTHER $40 in a few months.
If you're into, more power to you. I hope it's tons of fun and you love every second of it.
Then I realized they wanted me to pay full price for the first expansion ($20) and I literally laughed out loud at my TV.
Do they think there's no other games I can play? I set the bar so low for Destiny and they still continually trip under it. There's no way I'm paying $40 right now for a game I already paid $60 for (and didn't have anywhere near enough content at that price IMO) only to have to pay ANOTHER $40 in a few months.
If you're into, more power to you. I hope it's tons of fun and you love every second of it.
Obliterator
Member
Expansion has to be decent sized. Its a 40GB install
This is why the Destiny fanbase will always get the majority of my ire. It's like these gamers have never played a coop shooter with friends and voice chat in a party before. I don't get it.
Sticky&Sweet
Banned
The contract was for 10 years, they knew exactly what they were getting into.
Of course we won't know until Bungie publishes their own title approximately never from now.
Krappadizzle
Member
It'll be the first Bungie release in 15 years that I don't pick up. I've given up on them as a developer. They lost touch with what used to make them special. Then they tell us they're listening and then do something like this. That is crazy expensive. They are now proving how content starved Destiny was/is by talking as if having almost the same amount of content in your expansion as its main game is something to be proud of. And it would be if your main game had great, meaningful content. Im so saddened by Bungie.
SkullHydra
Member
I bought the Ghost Edition of Destiny at launch (Worst gaming decision I've made), and have played a crapton of Destiny since then. I was there with the crazy imbalanced weapons like the original Vex, I was there during the glitchy Raids, etc., and now I'm forced to buy what I already own in order to get all of the new content? This is bullcrap.
I think I'm done with Destiny for now. I'll probably be back for Destiny 2 or whatever if it looks good, but I can't justify how Bungie is treating the people that have been here from the beginning.
I think I'm done with Destiny for now. I'll probably be back for Destiny 2 or whatever if it looks good, but I can't justify how Bungie is treating the people that have been here from the beginning.
PositronicMan
Member
I quit for a while after the Dark Below, and my coworkers dragged me back in for HoW. If it wasn't for my coworkers and friends playing this, I probably would have quit again.
The gunplay is so well done, it sickens me how much they really got wrong with everything else.
How do you fuck up itemization this bad? We live in a post-WoW/Diablo world. Did you make the game in a vacuum?! Still it frustrates me.
Give me one month alone with the team responsible for itemization and I would fix this shit so fast.
The gunplay is so well done, it sickens me how much they really got wrong with everything else.
How do you fuck up itemization this bad? We live in a post-WoW/Diablo world. Did you make the game in a vacuum?! Still it frustrates me.
Give me one month alone with the team responsible for itemization and I would fix this shit so fast.
I was in the same situation. Haven't played since I beat the game and got to level 22. Was ready to jump back in. Was even okay with the $40 price if the content was substantial. But the way the guy comes off in this interview, and some of the stuff they are doing with content (and how they are treating players that have been playing non stop since Day 1)...it's all a turn off for me.
TheCochese
Banned
Wow. This gives me no desire to open up and play the $20 copy I just bought. Or any Destiny, ever.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
You're right. Bungie cured his unhealthy habit, and I guess I thank them for it.
I mean shit, that's just the MMO genre for you. Play a game because its fun, if you're playing it for anything else, fuck that man.
Late to the thread but I think the bigger problem is how it doesn't actually need to be much bigger to beat the prior two expansions in size. I feel like even with a checklist, the selling points they'll push are the new subclasses and raid, and you can't really adequately weigh the worth of the former.
I'm a little more optimistic after HoW, but even that only gave me 2 weeks at most of stuff to do, and we're still 3 months out to TKK.
sturgboski
Member
Wow, that is a lot of space needed to replay patrol areas, strikes, and missions from prior content backwards.
RedNumberFive
Banned
They're voiced missions bro!
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
The £50 I spent on Base Destiny (Digital) will probably never be beaten for worst videogame purchase I will ever make. A year later, to be made to feel this much of a cunt is... its unfathomable.