Bungie apologizes for Taken King controversy, CE items to be sold separate
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Breakfast at Noon
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No, the time will never pass.
Well, it's where the person lands on the "informed" gradient.
Case in point:
Regardless of level of how informed someone might be, the main argument I'm making is that, ultimately, it comes down to subjective assessment of value proposition.
If someone hasn't played for 500 hours and STILL doesn't have a gjallarhorn, they wouldn't understand why SOMEONE would happily pay $3 for one.
I'm missing ~3 exotics; at this point, I'd be *elated* to pay $10 to scratch the itch.
Using words like "price gouging" unfairly colors the conversation to portray those people who would willingly pay for something as somehow deficient. If it's OBJECTIVELY price gouging, surely only a moron would pay for it, right?
My issue isn't that people don't like the game or don't think TTK and/or the cosmetic CE DLC are worth the prices they're being offered at. What I bristle at is stating opinions as facts, and (possibly ignorantly/inadvertently) insinuating those who disagree are wrong/deficient in some way.
Doug Heffernan
Member
"We are so fucking sorry, please accept this generous offering of... Nah, fuck it. Give us more money suckers!!!"
Fuck off Bungie, seriously fuck off.
Fuck off Bungie, seriously fuck off.
It appears to be unconditional surrender. The goalpost moving in the TTK CE pricing "debate" has been interesting to watch.
blue_phazon
Member
To add to this, I decided to switch consoles from PS3 to Xbone so I have to start fresh. I pre-ordered the digital CE ($80) because I want all the current content + the extras.
The extras are valued at $20 because the Legendary bundle WITHOUT the extras is $20 less ($60)
If they decided to lower the price of the standalone extras (going from $20 to $10 for example), people like me who got the Digital CE would get shafted
piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
"This is bullshit! We shouldn't have to rebuy things we already own to get those emotes! Let us buy them separately!"
"Ok."
"FUCK YOU BUNGIE how dare you charge so much for emotes!"
Maybe you should enlighten yourself on the history of this game before writing your opinion about the current state?
This is not just about the dlc, but an accumulation of poor choices that have been made since day 1 and people's tolerance reaching a limit.
You can read the various threads about this game, even the OT, there are plenty of well articulated posts detailing why people are unhappy.
There is, basically high level Armor and Weapon dont need grinding and material farming to upgrade. let me put an *Simplified* example,
* Armor A before the changes had 7 upgrade slots to fully upgrade it on the highest level of defense it can attain going trough materials you had to go to a specific planet to get and were really hard to come by, one Armor will usually need 10 to 20 of such material for every upgrade slot (I dont remember the exact number)
After the change the Armor are already coming at max level with one upgrade slot that needs one item that is very rare to come by in my experience, but without it you still playing with an Armor that will put you on level 30+ with the complete set.
This armors can be bought with VAngaauard point (by playing Strike and so on) or Crucible marks (By playing the PvP).
Some weapons and and Armor will still requiere these materials, but these materials are now sold in the store for a small charge of crucible marks.
yodathesoda
Member
Pretty much. Must have missed all those Hearthstone and COD outrages over cosmetic items.
10 more years of wine, salt, and shitting.
nobodyshero
Banned
Smartest thing that's been said yet.
It's un-required cosmetic DLC, people. Vote with your wallets. If you don't think it's worth it, then don't buy it. Complaining is fine, but it's ultimately useless if a large portion of people still begrudgingly hands over the money.
If the DLC doesn't sell worth shit, then the next batch would logically be lower priced.
And if the DLC still sells well? Then guess what, that means that people must not really have THAT much of a problem with the price.
yodathesoda
Member
They've made a lot of good changes by listening to feedback, but you know that right. It's not perfect but game is tons better than it was at launch because they listened.
And this is happening on both sides of the debate.
Yes, they've made progress.
I've never denied that.
Then how do you characterize people who already spent 100's of hours in the game, who already spent between $80-$100 on all the content available, and are then asked to spend another $60 to get the rest of the content in the game?
Trying to rationalize the pricing structure of the game post Taken King release is ignoring the long build up of issues and the complicated relationship players have had with the game and Bungie over the course of this first year. It's more complicated than $80-$60=$20. This is serving as a catalyst for in-game problems, Bungie's attitude when communicating to the payer base, and relative value for the content that has been bubbling under the surface since day one of the game.
yodathesoda
Member
For example? And we're not talking pricing schemes but the game.
Yes. You must have.
We're talking about everything, actually, not just the game.
I don't disagree, but my perception is that much of this from the "pro" side is the 'defense force' reaction to seemingly irrational/emotional posting from the "con" side. i.e. if the detractors did so in a less inflammatory way, the level of discourse, overall, would be higher.
I do wish the "pro" and "indifferent" side was doing an even better job of taking the high road, however.
yodathesoda
Member
So tell me which steps back they've taken.
benicillin
Banned
It's really clear that you just have a super huge chip on your shoulder when it comes to Destiny, which is totally fine and I respect your opinion, but maybe it's best saved for a more general thread when people are trying to discuss the pricing stuff.
PooBone
Member
Don't set a new precadent for lying to players and the overcharging them after the fact. It's scary how successful this game is because it shows what publishers can get away with. These things aren't good for any of us, gamers as a whole. They're pushing the boundaries of what can be offered for what price simply because THEY CAN. What's right/wrong/fair has nothing to do with it. Listen to some Activision investor calls and you'll understand precisely what makes this company tick when it comes to making decisions like this.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
Banned
Just offer it for free, holy fuck. Stop nickel and diming your fanbase by masking it in a shitty apology.
Look at CDPR and use that as a god damn example, Bungie.
Look at CDPR and use that as a god damn example, Bungie.
I'm not sure he can.
benicillin
Banned
I don't think having a problem with the price is whiney or goal posting - it's totally fine if you think it's too expensive. I think what I'm reacting to, and some others, is that the goal before this was literally "we don't want to pay for the game all over again to get the CE stuff" and now that you can do that it's not enough for some people.
nobodyshero
Banned
Thing is, that they CAN get away with it is 100% on the consumer, not the publisher.
yodathesoda
Member
Don't buy it?
Would you prefer them for free? Should they come with a hand job and an ice cream cone because you deserve it?
It'll sell, people who want the items will buy them and the world will move on.
To clarify, I did play Destiny, I just never bought it. I can understand the frustration with the drive-by commentary that just dumps on a game you enjoy but the value proposition is a real problem if you're not already bought into it. $20 for dances and shaders is symptomatic of a larger problem with the game, especially one that's banking on it's longevity.
Yeah, this seems like a bit of a problem. I think it'd be good to confine the scope of this thread to the issue at hand, not a comprehensive assessment of Destiny to date.
I think you'll find that the entire notion of value proposition is subjective, which makes it fairly silly to try to debate objectively.
$20 cosmetic DLC you don't want isn't a problem for you. You never bought the game. You'll likely never buy the game unless something drastic (unlikely) happens.
$20 cosmetic DLC isn't a problem, OBJECTIVELY, at all.
"What if it sets a precedent and microtransactions get implemented?" What if they do? If people buy them in enough numbers for Bungie/Activision do more of it, there's obviously an audience for it. Who are any of us to tell those people they're wrong to do what they want with their money?
If anything, I think paid DLC *in general* would HELP the longevity. I'd happily pay $10 for a raid every 2 months. People have to remember there's no monthly fee.
I just think they need to tune the pricing of that non-expansion DLC.
Omegasquash
Member
More snark. It's not appreciated, considering I acknowledged the necessity of viewpoints different from mine, the the very post you decided to get snarky in. And agreed that differing tolerances are a thing too.
But I guess I haven't been paying enough attention to get the point.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
Okay so I'm still confused.
I own the Digital Guardian edition of Destiny, and both expansions. I have not yet preordered Taken King.
If I want TK and the pack of bonuses, what do I buy? I think the CE stuff is throwing me off.
I own the Digital Guardian edition of Destiny, and both expansions. I have not yet preordered Taken King.
If I want TK and the pack of bonuses, what do I buy? I think the CE stuff is throwing me off.
yodathesoda
Member
Feeling that I'll be waiting a while. Pretty typical Destiny thread.
benicillin
Banned
Digital CE stuff has never, ever been a great deal for the consumer. I mean, any Blizzard game with a digital CE usually just comes with a mount or cosmetic stuff. A ton of other game series do the same thing. I don't think Destiny is setting any precedent, it's no better or worse than any other Activision published game at the moment.
PooBone
Member
As I understand it they fixed the fact that Destiny doesn't give out meaninful rewards often enough by requiring less grind to achieve those rewards?
Honestly, while these changes sound good, it still does not fix the core problems with Destiny, and I won't know if this $40 add-on is going to do anything to fix it. I've already decided not to jump in so it's going to be all GAF's opinion to inform me at this point. Hopefully there's nothing but good signs for the inevitable Destiny 2.
Not played a Blizzard game since Warcraft 3, but I hear ya. And at least Blizzard's game seem come with a healthy dirth of content to begin with. And has Blizzard ever offered a product intended for longtime players that charges them premiums for content they already have in order to get exclusives?
Buy the new package they just announced that comes with TTK + the CE digital items for $60.
You'd buy the standard standalone edition of TTK ($40) + the extras ($20).
They are showing no recognition that the $80 CE came with a ton of physical collectables for fans. And you can't just complain at specific people about what people are saying now because what some other people said before. If I complain about this now, it doesn't matter what other people said before. That's them, not me.
You don't have to buy it if you don't want it. The main issue was that you had to buy the collector's edition to get these items before. People that already own destiny were getting rocked by that $80 price. Now if you like, you can buy the collector's edition stuff for $20 on its own. This is what people wanted.
It literally is though.
I agree, $20 is way too high. But like he said already, "It's about value. The player's assessment of the value of the content." To you and me, it's not worth $20. The problem before was, you didn't even have a choice to buy this "content" without buying something you already owned. Now the problem is "ok I can get it now without buying something I already own, but it's too expensive."
benicillin
Banned
The bolded is a legitimate criticism I agree with. Physical and digital pricing has always been a problem though, I think the Call of Duty games have the same problem where the Digital CE doesn't include physical goodies but costs the same (I could be wrong but I believe that's a thing.)
I didn't have a problem with your complaints anyway, so I'm sorry if you took it that way.
PooBone
Member
Buy the Taken King for $40 and then the emotes for $20.
I'm not going to buy it, but I'm still going to voice my thoughts. If you don't like my opinion and think I shouldn't voice them, follow your own logic. Don't respond to my opinions of you don't like them.
Interfectum
Member
Yeah, this. As much fun as it is watching gaf dogpile on Bungie, I'm not getting the outrage here. They pretty much gave the option everyone was asking for.
LifEndz
Member
I've been thinking about CDPR's philosophy towards its customers and comparing it with Bungie's and the difference is just amazing.
They are already giving free vanity items to the dedicated "season 1" player base.