Please list a few people, assuming you aren't giving a snarky response to a serious point.
Bungie apologizes for Taken King controversy, CE items to be sold separate
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VincentMatts
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Should be in that next (already overpriced) expansion DLC. How this is worth 20$ to anyone is beyond my comprehension.
Edit: To me, this feels like Bungie giving me a big middle finger. Theres no "players first" mentality here. Bungie used to cram so much content in their Halo games and now they dont give you enough to begin with and charge you too much for the extra stuff. This plus the firing of Marty, i dont see why i would keep supporting them. They might have the name, but they dont feel like Bungie anymore to me.
I'll edit my post.
I 100% agree with this. I've put 500+ hours into Destiny but I cannot justify paying $20 for a few emotes, class items and shaders.
Just a quick glance on the PSN store and you can find tons of game add-ons for $20 or less that offer far more content and value than what Bungie is offering with this digital extra pack.
My issue is the these people are upset at a solution for a problem they don't even have in a situation they aren't even in.
ArkkAngel007
Member
To put it into context for people who may continue to struggle to understand, it's like GAF's thread policy. New news, new thread. The 'solution' was a new element. Thus it's a new argument, discussion point. This isn't the same topic (ex. downgrade) where people are changing their arguments around the same narrative and point due to being countered by evidence or arguments. The latter describes moving goal posts.
MaximusPayne
Member
still doesn't fit the pay 2 win bill...
benicillin
Banned
You shouldn't be sad about it, people pay way more than that for items in other games. It's not a great deal, I agree, but I've sold a single hat in TF2 for three or four times that.
Anton Sugar
Member
What does this mean?
silver.tongue
Member
It's their money. Unfortunatelly they have the right to do what they want with me.
Me? I'm getting TTK add-on and that's it.
Omegasquash
Member
I'm aware of the issues it's had since nearly launch...I picked it up shortly before they fixed the legendary decrypt rate/loot cave. I'm just not of the opinion that this is the last straw, as the content isn't even out yet. They announced, the community responded, they responded.
They can price however they want, and there's nothing we can do to stop them trying these things out. Can't say I think $20 is anything short of ridiculous, so I won't be buying it, and now that's on record for Bungie to see too. I'll go on record for not pre-purchasing TTK too, unless something drastic changes in my expectations/new info dribbles out.
Breakfast at Noon
Member
I heavily disagree with most people posting in here crying about getting what they wanted but been unhappy with the price of some cosmetic shit. .
But i cant stop reading this thread.
But i cant stop reading this thread.
PKMNTrainer
Member
This is a pretty good apology IMO. Free stuff for long time supporters of the game. I think people are skimming over this part too quickly.
panda-zebra
Member
now the second best, lolol
I had over 1000 in when I quit 4 or 5 months ago, probably more than 1200 counting all the rerolls and shit. I don't agree. I think Destiny is the gaming equivalent of Scientology (not just the engrams!). But then I'm just a big manbaby and it's probably best to ignore people of my ilk.
Cannot argue with that kind of logic, BAM!
But it's true - I see it on my friends list - crackerhead Destiny kids unable to play anything else because... it's just not Destiny.
Destiny made broken gamers, thanks, Bungie!
It means that chess players are waltzing into a checkers tournament and being outraged at the overpriced snacks they are selling at the concession stand.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Probably trying to claim that everyone who is against this applaudable solution doesn't play Destiny and just riding the hate train. I saw some making that argument within a few pages ago even, so it wouldn't be surprising.
Which I guess means I'm not allowed to try and get in my Nightfalls and HoW bounties today.
Edit: Yep. Hurray for reductive arguments!
silver.tongue
Member
You don't play destiny do you?
Ok. Here's the down low:
XP on destiny stop's levelling you on level 20. You get to that by the time you finish the story (After that, levelling up basically gives you an item called "mote of light". Your level becomes based on the gear you wear).
The thing is, right now, basically anything in the game gives mote of light!
Did the daily story? Take 3 motes for you.
Nightfall with Eris Quest? 3 more motes.
Dismantled any legendary weapon? Take 1 or 2 motes.
So basically those itens are useless ass XP in destiny is mostly useless too when you get to endgame content.
Unless bungie changes the levelling system when TTK hits, those items are gonna be dismantled by ppl to clear vault space. :/
LifEndz
Member
I wonder if the "wonderful toys" line is him referencing some exclusive weapons for "year one" guardians or if he's trying to be tongue in cheek referencing a line from the 1989 Batman movie.
Yes I play Destiny. I have 100's of hours in the damn game. Stop with this bullshit please.
My point was the items are not purely cosmetic, as some class items in the new expansion actually have stats, these ones giving you bonus XP while leveling your characters.
Yeah, this pretty much. Destiny defenders focus in on this silly shaders complaint and miss the broader context.
This is just the latest in a long line of poor business practices, disrespectful decisions and dumb game design from Bungie, and I think a lot of people are done.
I will do no such thing. Some of these people are close personal friends of mine whom I play video games with.
Green Yoshi
Member
Well, yout get three exotic items. Of course, everybody that buys the game next September will get then.
ArkkAngel007
Member
The one thing that the items will have value in is that they'll probably provide grimoire cards and points like other exotics. But not $20 or even $10 value by themselves. As you said, it's rather useless after reaching lvl 20 (though subclass leveling is a pain, so put a pin in that).
What use are close friends if you can't stand up to them if you view they are in the wrong? I enjoy playing with Border and quite a few others here who don't see an issue at all here and are toeing the censorship argument line. Isn't going to stop me from calling them out. Ghaleon, a mod who I also enjoy company with online, spoke up at me about content comparisons. I'm not going to snub him just because he argued with me/called something out.
Plus, walls of shame can be fun if the argument has merit to it.
All 387 of them I'm sure.
nobodyshero
Banned
They only give you an XP bonus up until level 20, after that they don't do anything.
Besides, I don't really consider an XP bonus "pay 2 win". It doesn't give you an in-match advantage, it just speeds up your personal progress.
I'm doing the same. All the extra stuff is pointless to me but if people want to pay it that's their choice
I am pretty popular.
silver.tongue
Member
Well, I assumed you didn't when you said the itens gave you more "xp".
If you have over 100 hours in destiny you must know xp means shit after level 20.
As for the items, I think it's a rgeat change! Class itens that actually give you benefits?! Awesome! There will be a ton of those for tyou to get tho. Vendors, Raids, Crucible Drops, Playlist Drops... You don't need the stuff the're selling for $20 unless you are OCD about collecting everything.
If that the case, they got you by the balls already.
No we don't miss the bigger context, You don't think the expansions were worth the price, I do. I got tons of value out of both House of wolves and The Dark below, I feel they were worth the price and so far from what i've seen of the taken king. I think it's worth it.
So It's difference of opinion but if you don't see value in it than fine that's up to you, just there are others that see it differently from you.
Right, well I guess you can see what I mean whether you'll admit it or not at this point. People are crying that others are moving goal posts, but nobody is actually pointing out specific people. You can't just say because you heard one mass of people say one thing that the second mass of people have to be logically consistent with the first mass of people.
Bunch of grown people crying over digital content. Man this whole thread is pathetic.
I play the game, I plan on buying TTK, what I do however not plan to do is pay for this garbage digital cosmetic content that does not effect the game whatsoever. You have the option to buy it, no one is telling you that you have to buy anything.
Quit bitching, move on and worry about something more productive, like real life and shit.
I play the game, I plan on buying TTK, what I do however not plan to do is pay for this garbage digital cosmetic content that does not effect the game whatsoever. You have the option to buy it, no one is telling you that you have to buy anything.
Quit bitching, move on and worry about something more productive, like real life and shit.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
If that's the case then why are you in this thread arguing your point again and again?
TheOctodad
Member
You're welcome to like it or have opinions, but other people being frustrated or annoyed at this pricing structure does not automatically make them "entitled" or "whiny."
Come on, both sides need to quit oversimplifying and diminishing the opposite perspective. If anything, it's the same old shit on both sides. Lots of people going overboard saying they are going to "burn the game" and anyone who likes the game is an "idiot." And then the other side saying anyone who has a disagreement with the prices or the model is "entitled" and "whiny."
Must be nice when the world is so black and white.
The description in the collector's edition states: Includes three Exotic Guardian Class items featuring XP bonuses
I said the items give you bonus XP while leveling your characters. I don't consider the post 20 experience of increasing your character's light level via gear as "leveling" since it isn't a steady progression based on XP gain.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
You're cute.
Again, why is it being assumed that the people upset with the situation and people upset with the solution are 100$ the same people? I'm sure there is overlap between the two group, but people just shoot down the complaints as if people 100% fall in line with this supposed illogical action.
Anton Sugar
Member
I mean, I kinda get what you mean--it's annoying when people who have no idea how the game works complain about mechanics they don't understand, but I don't think that necessarily applies to posters here who have issues with it. You don't have to play the game to understand why $20 for cosmetic items is annoying.
Oooh, okay, now I get the goalpost moving argument. This is still happening, even here? Destiny-GAF got called out on that late last year.
"Wait until the beta, it's way too early."
"Wait until the full game, you don't know what will be added."
"The game doesn't really start until you're level 20."
"Once you can do Nightfalls, the game opens up."
"Raids really are the point of the game, you haven't even played one yet?"
Etc.
Weird that it's being used against people arguing that they are getting ripped off.
silver.tongue
Member
Grimoire score tied to those itens would get ppl to rage sooooooooooo much.
IXIKelsonIXI
Member
People should probably be prepared for the fact that the exclusive exotic class items they are getting are specifically targeted towards new players (you know, the ones who would benefit from the $80 package) considering the experience bonuses. So the package is pretty much going to net them some emotes and shaders they don't have room for.
I'll pay the $20 because I am a collector of this shit. I'm not going to compare what I am getting for $20 to what I could get for $20 somewhere else, or what I have already paid $20 for in the game. I'm sorry if I am part of "the problem", but honestly, I'm an adult, I have a job, and not every fucking thing I decide to buy has to have some fucking moral conquest associated with it. Stick the hose in my mouth, I'm drinking the Kool Aid. And I am going to continue to. Because I love the shit out of this game, and I don't anticipate stopping anytime soon.
Right now this thread amounts to people who don't think something is worth $20 arguing with people who do. The people who are going to pick up the $20 package are going to do so, can't stop em'. The people who think it is an outrage...well, guess what guys...you don't have to buy it! Don't support it! That's totally fine. But don't act like if Bungie lowered the price you would all suddenly be fans of them or the game. You'd just pile back to the Red Bull thread, or reminisce about that time Luke Smith said some dumb shit.
I'll pay the $20 because I am a collector of this shit. I'm not going to compare what I am getting for $20 to what I could get for $20 somewhere else, or what I have already paid $20 for in the game. I'm sorry if I am part of "the problem", but honestly, I'm an adult, I have a job, and not every fucking thing I decide to buy has to have some fucking moral conquest associated with it. Stick the hose in my mouth, I'm drinking the Kool Aid. And I am going to continue to. Because I love the shit out of this game, and I don't anticipate stopping anytime soon.
Right now this thread amounts to people who don't think something is worth $20 arguing with people who do. The people who are going to pick up the $20 package are going to do so, can't stop em'. The people who think it is an outrage...well, guess what guys...you don't have to buy it! Don't support it! That's totally fine. But don't act like if Bungie lowered the price you would all suddenly be fans of them or the game. You'd just pile back to the Red Bull thread, or reminisce about that time Luke Smith said some dumb shit.
ArkkAngel007
Member
I would think that the debate in value of a $20 'expansion' is a bit more understandable than the value of 9 cosmetic pieces being offered at the same price. I too got more than the asking price's worth in TDB and HoW, and expect to do so with TTK as well. But I can't fathom the same with the 'offer' being debated here.
And so far, it seems that the people who do find value in it (or just don't care about the cost) are primarily taking issue with everyone else rather than the other way around. Some of this is reminding me of DestinyOT1 behavior, of which I had low opinion of in the conduct. Soon we'll be saying people who don't find the $20 offer palatable are 'financially inept individuals who deserve to be in the bankrupt position they are in' or some other vile talk of a similar nature.
Since it seems like people don't grasp that.
benicillin
Banned
I don't agree with that assumption. In a social game like Destiny vanity items always have value. This has been true for hundreds of games. And there's nothing wrong with it, if I play a game regularly I'll buy vanity items to personalize my character and make them look 'cool.' It doesn't make my perspective of what's valuable or not 'warped.'
silver.tongue
Member
SO it's basically items that get you to level 20 faster. For new guardians. Useless for us that already have our level 34's.
If anything, be angry about the emotes, which I still think is stupid, but it makes more sense.
Nobody is going to waste time cross-referencing the 44 pages worth of posts in the original Destiny/Eurogamer thread with the this 28 pages worth of posts in this thread so we can see just who these goalpost movers are.
At the same time, I don't see how you can deny that the general response in the Eurogamer thread wasn't generally summarized as "I should not have to rebuy vanilla Destiny to get Collector's Edition goodies".
Thanks, I've been told that my whole life!