Bungie apologizes for Taken King controversy, CE items to be sold separate

If TTK was £20/30 and the 'upgrade' was £10 for a total of £30/40 i wouldn't have even complained.

I agree with this, it just needs to be a bit more reasonably priced and it's all good, they just seem to think they can charge through the nose and it's ok.

It's not like I don't have the money, it's the sense of value and the principle.
 
Being bigger than the previous expansions isn't really a great feat of achievement is it?

Is it the same size as the Vanilla game? Will I receive the things I listed?

I payed £40 for those things. If Bungie want another £40 then it should be equal to that at a minimum.

Or

If they actually fixed their conversion rates instead of this 1:1 bullshit we wouldn't even need to have this discussion.

Yep, this is exactly what my concern is too.

Bungie have screwed up. Either they screwed up by charging way too much, or they screwed up by not successfully conveying how huge this expansion is to justify the price. I've still only officially seen them mention one new explorable area, and even that's only a ship, not a new planet or new location on an existing planet. Just a new interior location. Maybe there is more than that? Time for them to start hitting the marketing buttons hard and getting the media covering all these big new locations TTK adds to the game in that case.
 
The funny thing is that people actually believe it is some sort of mistake that 1 region has a higher price than another. Some mistakenly believe that companies don't understand conversion rates.

They actually do and they are playing the market. And they are allowed to. Plus there are other factors, such as variance in taxing, as well as conversion fees, not to mention variance in conversion rates themselves. Look at 2014, a year ago the rate was nearly 1.4:1. Earlier this year it was closing in on 1:1, the low point being 1.08:1. Now it is 1.12:1.

People talk about this like it is black and white. And it really isn't. They have to play it safe and sell at a price to recover + eventually make profit on all the development budget and marketing this game took to make happen.

I think people get too upset in terms of pricing "parity". This is just a reality of multiple currencies. I'm not a global economics expert by any means, so I don't have all the answers. I just want to point out that it isn't done out of ignorance or to try to spite people.
 
The funny thing is that people actually believe it is some sort of mistake that 1 region has a higher price than another. Some mistakenly believe that companies don't understand conversion rates.

They actually do and they are playing the market. And they are allowed to. Plus there are other factors, such as variance in taxing, as well as conversion fees, not to mention variance in conversion rates themselves. Look at 2014, a year ago the rate was nearly 1.4:1. Earlier this year it was closing in on 1:1, the low point being 1.08:1. Now it is 1.12:1.

People talk about this like it is black and white. And it really isn't. They have to play it safe and sell at a price to recover + eventually make profit on all the development budget and marketing this game took to make happen.

I think people get too upset in terms of pricing "parity". This is just a reality of multiple currencies. I'm not a global economics expert by any means, so I don't have all the answers. I just want to point out that it isn't done out of ignorance or to try to spite people.

where do you live?

Also, I agree that it isn't done out of ignorance or to try to spite people.
It is done due to greed.
 
The funny thing is that people actually believe it is some sort of mistake that 1 region has a higher price than another. Some mistakenly believe that companies don't understand conversion rates.

They actually do and they are playing the market. And they are allowed to. Plus there are other factors, such as variance in taxing, as well as conversion fees, not to mention variance in conversion rates themselves. Look at 2014, a year ago the rate was nearly 1.4:1. Earlier this year it was closing in on 1:1, the low point being 1.08:1. Now it is 1.12:1.

People talk about this like it is black and white. And it really isn't. They have to play it safe and sell at a price to recover + eventually make profit on all the development budget and marketing this game took to make happen.

I think people get too upset in terms of pricing "parity". This is just a reality of multiple currencies. I'm not a global economics expert by any means, so I don't have all the answers. I just want to point out that it isn't done out of ignorance or to try to spite people.
Of course there are 'reasons' for it. No one is saying they are ignorant. But its purely exploitation based in this case. They don't need to charge 1:1 here, but they think people will pay it, so fuck it.
 
I think i will have to wait for sale or year 2 to end, get everything for good price. Also all the dlc's have so little landmass it's boring. I want to explore new places.
 
The funny thing is that people actually believe it is some sort of mistake that 1 region has a higher price than another. Some mistakenly believe that companies don't understand conversion rates.

They actually do and they are playing the market. And they are allowed to. Plus there are other factors, such as variance in taxing, as well as conversion fees, not to mention variance in conversion rates themselves. Look at 2014, a year ago the rate was nearly 1.4:1. Earlier this year it was closing in on 1:1, the low point being 1.08:1. Now it is 1.12:1.

People talk about this like it is black and white. And it really isn't. They have to play it safe and sell at a price to recover + eventually make profit on all the development budget and marketing this game took to make happen.

I think people get too upset in terms of pricing "parity". This is just a reality of multiple currencies. I'm not a global economics expert by any means, so I don't have all the answers. I just want to point out that it isn't done out of ignorance or to try to spite people.

Don't confuse Activision/Bungie shifting the currency risk to consumers with something they 'have' to do. In fact as someone who works in a $ denominated industry we are constantly struggling with ways to mitigate these risks but there are easier ways to do this such as:
- Change the pricing in the event of currency shifts, not that hard to do esp. to end users
- Eat the cost yourself, for sufficiently important deals this is done all the time
- Work with retail partners to demand forecast better and do a single shipment (mitigates risk over time but carries warehousing costs)

The easiest answer would be an elastic price that shifts in response to currency markets, very easy to do with digital goods harder with physical. For physical goods though these shipments tend to happen in waves, Activision/Bungie and their retail partners already have a lot of data on likely initial demand as they know both how much Destiny shipped and return rates. After that first ship date later shipped quantities are low enough that currency risk is a tiny % of margin (mostly these shipments are to ensure shelf presence)

Oh and also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etSLbQPzT4o
 
Yeah...I've decided NOT to buy TTK on day one or ever depending on the reviews. It's just such a freaking shame...the gunplay is amazing and Destiny still has potential to actually have some kind of a story in it that matters...but Activision/Bungie just refuse to go that way. Bungie can deny it all they want, but deep down we all know that Activision has them by the balls with an iron grip...

Also, that Gametrailers segment was on point comparing, how Activision/Bungie treat their loyal fanbase, to Sim City/Cities: Skylines in a way that you'd ignore the problems until you actually need to do something for people not to leave your city...you do just enough to make them not leave, they won't be happy but that's not the point...the point is people not leaving...and once they actually do fix the things that are wrong, everybody is so ecstatic, that they forgot for how long the problems have been around.

I will not expose myself to this kind of treatment anymore. Let's hope for Destiny 2 to be the game that Bungie was actually planning to make...
 
Don't confuse Activision/Bungie shifting the currency risk to consumers with something they 'have' to do. In fact as someone who works in a $ denominated industry we are constantly struggling with ways to mitigate these risks but there are easier ways to do this such as:
- Change the pricing in the event of currency shifts, not that hard to do esp. to end users
- Eat the cost yourself, for sufficiently important deals this is done all the time
- Work with retail partners to demand forecast better and do a single shipment (mitigates risk over time but carries warehousing costs)

The easiest answer would be an elastic price that shifts in response to currency markets, very easy to do with digital goods harder with physical. For physical goods though these shipments tend to happen in waves, Activision/Bungie and their retail partners already have a lot of data on likely initial demand as they know both how much Destiny shipped and return rates. After that first ship date later shipped quantities are low enough that currency risk is a tiny % of margin (mostly these shipments are to ensure shelf presence)

Oh and also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etSLbQPzT4o

That report lost all its credibility when the reason number 7 is just him calling the videogame "shit" he is no different than a console warrior trying to explain why xbox one or Ps4 sucks.
 
That report lost all its credibility when the reason number 7 is just him calling the videogame "shit" he is no different than a console warrior trying to explain why xbox one or Ps4 sucks.

I believe your /s detector may be broken (to be clear Steve Burns is a specialist in riling folks) on the other hand he's not wrong that the game was sold as having an epic narrative and completely lacks anything even approaching a narrative.
 
I believe your /s detector may be broken (to be clear Steve Burns is a specialist in riling folks) on the other hand he's not wrong that the game was sold as having an epic narrative and completely lacks anything even approaching a narrative.

i stoped watching the video as soon as he called the game shit, sarcasm or not, thats not how you want to get a point across.

I wonder why people dont hate batlefield this much when besides its multiplayer BF doesnt have anything else, or why people dont theorize that Halo 3 or Halo 2 used these marketing techniques as Halo players like myself spent hundreds of hours playing the same content over and over.

Edit: i watched the whole video, the guy hates Halo too as he believe it doesnt have a story either.
 
TK is $69 AU in Australia. If I import the CE from the US for $60 will all my progress carry over?

Your Guardian is tied to your PSN/Xbox Live account, so yes.

But the DLC codes are region locked. No Dice.

Also, AU$69 is a DAMN good price, dude, retail games are usually $80+ Here!
 
Going by previous expansions I think we can take a fair guess.

Or we could say that at £40 it costs the same as vanilla Destiny?

So I should be getting in TTK:

- 4 planets
- 3 new guardians
- 6 new subclasses (2 per guardian)
- 1 new raid
- 6 strikes
- 6 PvP maps
- 20 new levels
- Whole new story
- etc

Yeah let's uhhhhh wait and see.

I understand your point but I had to laugh when you said whole new story.
 
It's about double the size of the other expansions with the new classes, missions, strikes, crucible content and raid

Double the same mobs in different skins.

I still don't get why strikes and missions get off being called separate content. The are just variations of the same thing. One is just a lesser included of the other. Same exact mobs in the same exact spots in the same exact zone.

The true new content is the addition of a third element to each class. They are not new classes. That and a new raid in the ketch. It boils down to new skills and one new environment which might take a week at most to experience.

I was on the fence before about getting ttk no matter the price. All this fiasco has done has shown that the emperor has no clothes.
 
That report lost all its credibility when the reason number 7 is just him calling the videogame "shit" he is no different than a console warrior trying to explain why xbox one or Ps4 sucks.

Your assessment of what he said is more reminiscent of what console warriors do. He called Destiny shit, and then immediately backed up why he feels that way. And even as a big fan of the game, I can say he's not at all wrong.

But the point you've actually missed is that he's not attacking superfans like you who eat up all the shit and defend it. He's attacking ME. People who whine about the bullshit bungie is doing yet keep buying the stuff.
 
I played a lot of Warframe until Destiny... I had a hell of more fun with Destiny even if I miss some buddies from Warframe.
Destiny actually made me get back into warframe.

Destiny is still a great game, but I can't support this crap. Besides, I'm out of shit to do in destiny but not in frame.
 
Its one thing to implement shady business practices, as is the case here.

Its another to make statements, basically insulting your fanbase. I don't buy the apology, and Bungie, and even more so, Activision should be embarrassed by this whole situation.
 
Your assessment of what he said is more reminiscent of what console warriors do. He called Destiny shit, and then immediately backed up why he feels that way. And even as a big fan of the game, I can say he's not at all wrong.

But the point you've actually missed is that he's not attacking superfans like you who eat up all the shit and defend it. He's attacking ME. People who whine about the bullshit bungie is doing yet keep buying the stuff.

I think you are confused, Im not a big fan of the game, i like it, but I also dislike the unnecessary hate the game gets and to the people that like it. In this same thread i have a post showing my concern and dissprovement of the cosmetic DLC (to be fair i hate it in any videogame that offer this) but when people start going to a opinion that "the only reason why anyone would like destiny is because some sort of Marketing scheme" and not because some people genuinely like the game, is when I counter such assumption.


But i do agree if you Always complain with said game and keep on going regardless, then thats a point of concern. But it also falls to the fact that right now the FPS market quality is thin on consoles, so people will keep returning, given right now if you own a Next gen console your only real options are either CoD or Batlefield.
 
There is, basically high level Armor and Weapon dont need grinding and material farming to upgrade. let me put an *Simplified* example,

* Armor A before the changes had 7 upgrade slots to fully upgrade it on the highest level of defense it can attain going trough materials you had to go to a specific planet to get and were really hard to come by, one Armor will usually need 10 to 20 of such material for every upgrade slot (I dont remember the exact number)

After the change the Armor are already coming at max level with one upgrade slot that needs one item that is very rare to come by in my experience, but without it you still playing with an Armor that will put you on level 30+ with the complete set.

This armors can be bought with VAngaauard point (by playing Strike and so on) or Crucible marks (By playing the PvP).

Some weapons and and Armor will still requiere these materials, but these materials are now sold in the store for a small charge of crucible marks.


I somewhat agree but I still find it incredibly grindy and boring for a few reaons...

your new armour is all of lower level - why? you already grind in the crucible for marks, I have heard they increased marks which was loooong overdue, the crucible marks and drops were historically pathetic so I don't really give kudos here.... I have 300 hours in crucible alone and received about (exactly) ZERO drops until the latest update.
Why after that grinding must you then also grind for etheric light? Unnecessary.

Secondly, all your old weapons are outdated and likewise you must grind for etheric lights, which they cap as usual, why?

Third, when grinding for marks you can buy all sorts of new stuff - which also arrives underpowered you AGAIN must grind for etheric light even for new stuff? Unnecessary.

edit - for clarity I pretty much only do crucible which makes these mechanics even doubly annoying, I actually have to do missions for etheric light which I have zero interest in. for instance if I had to play through SP missions in COD to get guns I would pretty much just throw the game away.
 
I somewhat agree but I still find it incredibly grindy and boring for a few reaons...

your new armour is all of lower level - why? you already grind in the crucible for marks, I have heard they increased marks which was loooong overdue, the crucible marks and drops were historically pathetic so I don't really give kudos here.... I have 300 hours in crucible alone and received about (exactly) ZERO drops until the latest update.
Why after that grinding must you then also grind for etheric light? Unnecessary.

Secondly, all your old weapons are outdated and likewise you must grind for etheric lights, which they cap as usual, why?

Third, when grinding for marks you can buy all sorts of new stuff - which also arrives underpowered you AGAIN must grind for etheric light even for new stuff? Unnecessary.

edit - for clarity I pretty much only do crucible which makes these mechanics even doubly annoying, I actually have to do missions for etheric light which I have zero interest in. for instance if I had to play through SP missions in COD to get guns I would pretty much just throw the game away.
If you only play crucible why do you even care about Etheric Light? Weapon Attack values only matter in PvE and slightly in iron banner/trials. There is no difference between a 331 and 365 weapon for crucible, same goes for armor values.

And both iron banner and trials award Etheric light, there is no need to do any PvE content in the game at all anymore.

The vendor content in the tower is 331 attack and +36 light so that PvE players don't get offended that their raid armor is immediately obsolete at launch. This was one of the biggest complaints about the dark below and so bungie was listening to the players when they made this change for HoW.
 
I somewhat agree but I still find it incredibly grindy and boring for a few reaons...

your new armour is all of lower level - why? you already grind in the crucible for marks, I have heard they increased marks which was loooong overdue, the crucible marks and drops were historically pathetic so I don't really give kudos here.... I have 300 hours in crucible alone and received about (exactly) ZERO drops until the latest update.
Why after that grinding must you then also grind for etheric light? Unnecessary.

Secondly, all your old weapons are outdated and likewise you must grind for etheric lights, which they cap as usual, why?

Third, when grinding for marks you can buy all sorts of new stuff - which also arrives underpowered you AGAIN must grind for etheric light even for new stuff? Unnecessary.

edit - for clarity I pretty much only do crucible which makes these mechanics even doubly annoying, I actually have to do missions for etheric light which I have zero interest in. for instance if I had to play through SP missions in COD to get guns I would pretty much just throw the game away.


Etheric light is rewarded in iron banner, trials, POE, and Nightfalls. It's not that hard to get at all. I have over 20 Etheric light stored in my vault because all of my weapons and armor are ascended. I had all 3 of my characters to 34 plus different armor sets annd duplicate 365 weapons in like a week and a half after HoW came out. I didn't grind much at all...compare that to TDB and vanilla Destiny where it took months to get to the highest level.

If you play pvp only, play trials and you will get tons of Etheric light.... Well as long as you're good with 3 v 3 elimination. Trials is really fun though and the best part of Destiny right now. 3 v 3 elimination is how Destiny pvp was supposed to be played.
 
Etheric light is rewarded in iron banner, trials, POE, and Nightfalls. It's not that hard to get at all. I have over 20 Etheric light stored in my vault because all of my weapons and armor are ascended. I had all 3 of my characters to 34 plus different armor sets annd duplicate 365 weapons in like a week and a half after HoW came out. I didn't grind much at all...compare that to TDB and vanilla Destiny where it took months to get to the highest level.

If you play pvp only, play trials and you will get tons of Etheric light.... Well as long as you're good with 3 v 3 elimination. Trials is really fun though and the best part of Destiny right now. 3 v 3 elimination is how Destiny pvp was supposed to be played.

How is the drop rate in NF for it? I'm starting now and I'm at 33.5 but only because of 2 PoE armor pieces. I've yet to get any etheric light. I need people on xbox to get through the 34 PoE so I can start getting some but that's proving to be difficult.
 
How is the drop rate in NF for it? I'm starting now and I'm at 33.5 but only because of 2 PoE armor pieces. I've yet to get any etheric light. I need people on xbox to get through the 34 PoE so I can start getting some but that's proving to be difficult.

Maybe others have had better luck, but I have done almost all of the nightfalls across 3 characters and I have not got a single etheric light from it yet.
 
where do you live?

Also, I agree that it isn't done out of ignorance or to try to spite people.
It is done due to greed.

Don't Euro prices include VAT already, while the US prices do not?

Plus I'm pretty sure VAT in most European countries are pretty high.

So if a you have a US$60 price then with say a 20% VAT, a straight conversion would be €64.5. So a 1:1 conversion is generous.

UK people are getting screwed though.
 
How is the drop rate in NF for it? I'm starting now and I'm at 33.5 but only because of 2 PoE armor pieces. I've yet to get any etheric light. I need people on xbox to get through the 34 PoE so I can start getting some but that's proving to be difficult.

Once out of six or seven post-EL nightfalls for me. If we were on the same platform I'd help backpack you to some guaranteed PoE EL.

I'd hit up Iron Banner for sure next time that rolls around.
 
Isnip

edit - for clarity I pretty much only do crucible which makes these mechanics even doubly annoying, I actually have to do missions for etheric light which I have zero interest in. for instance if I had to play through SP missions in COD to get guns I would pretty much just throw the game away.

This is basically why I playe Destiny, the only difference is that if I go to do social activities here and there to just have fun with my friends, but the most important aspect is that I dont play Destiny alone.

Personally, a Game real worth cant be measured on the amount of content it gives, rather how much the content is worth for the player, Game like The Last of US comes with less amount of content than Assassins Creed Unity, but some people value more that content than everything that Ass creed offers.

Again to avoid confusion, The amount charged for the cosmetic DLC its absurd, not only on Destiny but any other Video Game that does this, is a shameful practice In my opinion.
 
How is the drop rate in NF for it? I'm starting now and I'm at 33.5 but only because of 2 PoE armor pieces. I've yet to get any etheric light. I need people on xbox to get through the 34 PoE so I can start getting some but that's proving to be difficult.


Drop rate is pretty crappy in NF. I would recommend doing POE 34. At 33.5 you could do POE 34 and succeed. If I played on Xbox one I would help you out but I am ps4. If you head over to the destiny community board there is a great community of Xbox one people that you can do POE with.

I would say don't get frustrated if you wipe or anything as with any higher level strike you have to learn mechanics. There are a lot of vets on that board who give great advice if you have questions and it's a great place to get games going.
 
Etheric light is rewarded in iron banner, trials, POE, and Nightfalls. It's not that hard to get at all. I have over 20 Etheric light stored in my vault because all of my weapons and armor are ascended. I had all 3 of my characters to 34 plus different armor sets annd duplicate 365 weapons in like a week and a half after HoW came out. I didn't grind much at all...compare that to TDB and vanilla Destiny where it took months to get to the highest level.

If you play pvp only, play trials and you will get tons of Etheric light.... Well as long as you're good with 3 v 3 elimination. Trials is really fun though and the best part of Destiny right now. 3 v 3 elimination is how Destiny pvp was supposed to be played.

I'd like to grab some Etheric Light, but I only have one other friend with the DLC and they don't care for PVP. If I burn up my Trials Coins and pretty much wipe every match, is there still a chance I can get Etheric Light? Or is it only if you win your match? I currently have a level 31 guardian.
 
This backpedaling post was predictable. They should have gone against the rage and increased the price. Never let your bitches know you're weak and vulnerable. /s
 
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