Man decapitated at company near Grenoble, France, Islamist flag found on site
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Unfortunately, if someone is a potential suspect and under surveillance, all that really can prevent is the planning and carrying out of a large/organised attack. You can't really stop someone going crazy with a knife unless you're staking them out 24/7.
This is why the debate over what to do with citizens suspected of having terrorist links is such a contentious issue and raises the guilty until proven innocent question.
This is why the debate over what to do with citizens suspected of having terrorist links is such a contentious issue and raises the guilty until proven innocent question.
Generally you don't cut someone's head off and write messages on it if you're going to steal something.
Shuggananas
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Now imagine this happens everyday in Iraq and the likes
No more news, sounds like the situation is under control
Vorg
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I'm just tired of all this.
Go spill your hatred in Syria where no one will care if you die.
Thoughts and prayers with the relatives of the vitcim.
What the hell. This line of reasoning can fuck right off. People in Syria have been through more crap than you probably will during your entire life.
Honey Bunny
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BBC just said the decapitated head is covered in Arabic writing and stuck on the gate of the factory.
gulfamashraf
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7 virgins in heaven!!
TomJoadsGhost
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That's kind of the whole point that's what they want they want to be everywhere, in everyones minds with as little effort as possible , you need to find your inner avatar quote* and all will be well.
(*in spirit not in nerve wracking retaliation)
This is horriblekilling someone is horrible, decapitating... there are no words.
Islam is such a cancer, it's sad that in the 2015 people still die because of religion
Dude... ISIS is condemned by the whole Islamic world.
Care to elaborate?
DiipuSurotu
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The media always report every information they can and have. During the Charlie Hebdo attacks they put the hidden hostages in danger by reporting where they were hiding and stuff.
Not for nothing but I thought it was 42.
Obligatory:
Translation: Somewhere in Middle-East:
They got me...
72 virgins are waiting for you in heaven!
Shuggananas
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I'm not sure what you're implying but actually I'm pretty sure I know what you're implying
Go on
A lot of potentially radicalized Muslims living in very insular communities is what I think he's alluding to.
gulfamashraf
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Hey virgins are virgins and more than 4 does the job.
German news magazine Der Spiegel reports that one guy apparently tried to drive a car into one of the large gas containers on site. That's also the cause for one of the explosions. It's not confirmed at this point, though.
Definitely sounds like they wanted to cause a major explosion on site.
gulfamashraf
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Isis is the extreme version of intolerance in Muslim world. End of the day they are intolerant.
Whats ridiculous about all this is we know we can expect more and the fact all the European leaders want different things from Europe is stopping anyone agreeing to do something about this shit.
Cutting off someones head and writing all over it? as Charlie Chaplin says - Don't follow these unnatural men - they are unnatural people who yes evil is a foolish word to say if you mean evil in the sense of the universes perspective, but from the eye of the beholders - they are evil unnatural people.
Cutting off someones head and writing all over it? as Charlie Chaplin says - Don't follow these unnatural men - they are unnatural people who yes evil is a foolish word to say if you mean evil in the sense of the universes perspective, but from the eye of the beholders - they are evil unnatural people.
For me its more the open borders; Europe as a single entity is utterly failing to protect its borders or one anothers borders. The people already here are mostly fine, but foreign influence can impact this.
Not to mention our self-harming relationship with the Saudi's who fund hate across the continent.
Radical Islamism on the rise, who would've thought?
For what purpose?
German news magazine Der Spiegel reports that one guy apparently tried to drive a car into one of the large gas containers on site. That's also the cause for one of the explosions. It's not confirmed at this point, though.
Definitely sounds like they wanted to cause a major explosion on site.
For what purpose?
Terrorist reasons.
That's not the problem. Most of these terrorists are European citizens.
Europe naturally has a larger population of Muslim immigrants due to our geographical proximity to the middle east. It necessarily follows that some maniacs use this circumstance to make it the stage of a cultural clash between western and Islamic values.
It's important not to freak out over the actions of some lunatics. That's only helping their cause.
Probably just attention. Big explosions look scary. And that's all they need.
Looks like it's that time of year again. Stay home French-GAF. There could be follow-up attacks.
Ignorant people like you are a cancer.
This is horrible
Islam is such a cancer, it's sad that in the 2015 people still die because of religion
Ignorant people like you are a cancer.
Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, the UAE all promote the same radical brand of Islam ISIS subscribe to. ISIS is merely a symptom of a greater problem in the ME, Wahhabism.
ManUnkindH
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I think this is the definition of rhetorical question. Come' on....
This is horrible
Islam is such a cancer, it's sad that in the 2015 people still die because of religion
Seriously?
Stereogatari
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Nearly every country with a large Muslim demographic has this same potential problem. I say this as a Turk.
The problem is Saudi Arabia exporting its brainwashing. Imagine extremist White Nationalism was endorsed, exported and promoted by a State. That's pretty much what's happening in the Muslim World thanks to Saudi's oil, the Islamic equivalent of "White Nationalism" is institutionalized by a country and they get their oil laden claws everywhere they can across the Muslim World and into Muslim communities in the non-Muslim World. They're not 100% successful, but they're like a weed that crops up where it can.
The Turkish Empire successfully destroyed the first Saudi State in the 19th century, but it didn't fully extinguish them (thanks to Western oil interests).
The kind of Muslims who are capable of these kind of actions are marginal. But they're spread out across numerous ethnic groups. It's a strange phenomenon.
Fantastapotamus
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Jesus, that is terrible.
And probably another big boost for the rising right wing in europe.
And probably another big boost for the rising right wing in europe.
PaulExcellent
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This is what you decided to post?This is horrible
Islam is such a cancer, it's sad that in the 2015 people still die because of religion
You're fucking stupid.
This is a terrible event and it's a damn shame. Hope they get the bastard/s.
Seriously? We aren't even on page 3 and this garbage has already started? I wonder how far one has to go to get banned for this.
Wahhabism is precisely the problem. Seeing you write that makes your other bigoted post very strange in retrospect.
MatrixMan.EXE
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As if mainland Europe needed anymore fuel to douse the nationalist fire. Yikes. They need to catch the fuckers.
Why would these radical islamists even move from their war-torn and impoverished countries just to terrorize their new home? Do they want to degrade the public opinion of Islam even further?
Nothing makes fucking sense when it comes to religious fanatics. All I know is that integration have failed in Europe.
BrassDragon
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This is right. 'Terrorist link' sounds clear-cut in the news but it never is in reality: is someone suspect because their sister posts about Daesh on Facebook? What if they drive her to a meeting, not knowing who else is there? Now what about her other two brothers and parents?
The required level of investigation and surveillance gets unreasonable and disproportionate fast. Also, you can't contain more than 10.000 subjects with a few hundred operational intelligence officers. So either you ramp up to insane NSA/Stasi/KGB-scale operations or you accept risk within margins.
A lot of interventions are policy measures rather than legal measures, e.g. making sure someone is unable to travel or doesn't have access to funds or secure communication.
We don't like jailing people for thought crimes even if the price we pay is imperfect security.
Stereogatari
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It hasn't failed has it. It's failed in pockets and succeeded in pockets. It's not black and white. Not to mention it's possible to be non-integrated and be non-religious, and be religious and be integrated.
Also it's possible to only mainly hang out with your own ethnic group, and still be integrated and not cut off from wider society. That makes sense doesn't it?
This is horrible
Islam is such a cancer, it's sad that in the 2015 people still die because of religion
Radical Islam, yes.
astroturfing
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if that's true, we're also funding the extremism by buying their oil. maybe we should stop doing it.
Thunderbolt
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I'm sorry, but I don't agree with this attitude.
Pretty much. A common explanation is that Daesh (especially) wants to create more problems between muslims and non-muslims, to fuel anger and hatred on both sides. This helps with radicalizing muslims who feel they are being treated badly by the non-muslims, and in the end more people will move towards their ideology.
And then you got that whole prophecy they seemingly believe in, that there will be this huge war between muslims and the rest of the world in Syria, and they'll win in the end. edit: This is why they release disgusting propaganda videos showing off various barbaric ways of killing people. They want to drag the west into war.
Oh hey, it's Islamophobe GAF. Hi Islamophobe GAF!
We, as in the west with the USA as spearhead, we are funding terrorists all the time, indirectly through Saudi Arabia and others and directly.
*snort*
We, as in the west with the USA as spearhead, we are funding terrorists all the time, indirectly through Saudi Arabia and others and directly.
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