Yes and unless they get you by surprise, they are super slow, it's so fun to travel behind and inkbrush them to death lol
If on thing that I think they should nerf is the spread of the shotgun, and it should consume more ink.
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If on thing that I think they should nerf is the spread of the shotgun, and it should consume more ink.
Mm, I'm not sure whether Dynamo Rollers should be nerfed, because there aren't many good users of them for people to play against. Also, I have yet to feel marginalized by the presence of one on the opposing team and I think I can deal with them fine. Their presence is huge but to me they're similar to chargers that you just have to adapt your tactics to where they are.
As for the dual squelcher range discussion, if you're standing at the edge of each user's range, there's no way the dynamo roller can come out alive and flick you four times before you can kill them.
As for the dual squelcher range discussion, if you're standing at the edge of each user's range, there's no way the dynamo roller can come out alive and flick you four times before you can kill them.
Yep
Glad it was rescheduled so soon but it will be hard to play on that date because of family stuff. Why not the 5th? Really want to try Splatfest but don;t know if I will be able to this time.
Yep. It is a huge bummer.
Hmm, I wonder what's worse; that feeling, or the feeling you get when your team loses, while you had multiple beakons set up where you could easily flank the enemy, or control a zone, but your teammates all choose to squid-launch on each other... right where the enemy is already focusing their attacks! *facepalm*
PreyingShark
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Searching through the weapon data. (It's RollerCompact via process of elimination). It does seem to swing significantly faster than the normal roller. What I can say for sure though is that I found the variable that correlates to roll damage. Its roll damage is... *drumroll* 70.
Where the brush has a .28 under "SplashMaxDamage" or something like that this one has a 1.25 so it could potentially still have an OHKO fling if you're really close. We'll need to wait for it to come out to test for sure though.
I don't have any particular issues with dynamos but If there is one thing that I could see being nerfed it's that damage done should decrease with range. Their 1 hit ko range is very high. You can't outrun them in close quarters and if you commit for the kill it's almost always a doubble splat. I get that you're supposed to make sure you don't find yourself trapped as describe above, but it's still annoying that this is a possibility.
One thing though, I don't understand why so many players use situational weapons, forcing you to seek very specific areas of the map otherwise you are pretty much useless. I rather play a weapon that has the highest amount of situations where I have the advantage. Ranked is very chaotic in nature and will continue to be so because the weapon loadouts of other players is random, no game plays out the same.
I mean for example you're a roller playing port mackerel; what happens if the other team has the lead and thus can just chill on their side of the map, forcing you to come to them. You're pretty much screwed if we manage to lock down the lanes. I could never play such a role as finding myself in a helpless situation and being dependent on others to make a play would frustrate the heck out of me.
One thing though, I don't understand why so many players use situational weapons, forcing you to seek very specific areas of the map otherwise you are pretty much useless. I rather play a weapon that has the highest amount of situations where I have the advantage. Ranked is very chaotic in nature and will continue to be so because the weapon loadouts of other players is random, no game plays out the same.
I mean for example you're a roller playing port mackerel; what happens if the other team has the lead and thus can just chill on their side of the map, forcing you to come to them. You're pretty much screwed if we manage to lock down the lanes. I could never play such a role as finding myself in a helpless situation and being dependent on others to make a play would frustrate the heck out of me.
BlueSilver
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Thanks for the kind words. =)
Yeah, forgot about that too, thanks to Daboss for this tip, you can slightly gain* cough cough* more distance and ground if you "perfect" jump while loading the shot(ZR > wait one second > X),the dynamo is such a dissuasive weapon by its nature that it won't be a missed feature if this get removed, that said, the persons that came with this weapon are good people really, having a sprinkler as a sub and echolocator charging in no time, yup, they're definitively good people.
Beakons are fantastic given that you can easily go between points that can't be retreated to, allowing you to poke at many different choke points without putting yourself in danger
You are everywhere and nowhere. Equip recon so you can jump back to base and get a little more insight, and a super jump speed up or two, and you're golden.
A good example is port mackeral: there are two defensive ledges that can only be accessed via a side path from the base, or slowly from each other (and would leave you exposed). Put a beakon on each, replace a beakon when you teleport to one, and you can jump between the two with ease, allowing you to hit attackers from four points (each side has two different ledges).
There's almost no good weapons for the situation you describe because getting out of being camped in Port Mackerel is hard. It's similar to Urchin Underpass.
Ironically enough, the dynamo roller is probably the best in those situations.
Oh I didn't want them to nerf anything, but if they are this seemed like the most obvious to me not what they are giving us next week. To be honest I don't know if I have ever tried to shoot them when we are both at the edge of our range because I probably assumed it would take 3 or less flicks to kill me, and if Violets test is correct maybe at dual squelcher range it is 3 flicks, I'm pretty sure the 30 damage is at the end of the dynamos range not from where the dual squelcher can attack back so it's possible that at that range it's 33.33%.
Blak_Status
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These are my issues as well. There is no way a shotgun type of weapon should have that kind of range (plus the wide spread). If I get up close and then get killed... fine. I can deal with that. If I'm a good distance away, they shouldn't be able to splat me in one damn shot.
Nah. The opponent will either hold aggressively at which point it's a 50/50 duel or hide around corners. If they hide I throw a sprinkler meaning it will either cover ground on their space, or they will have to show themselves to take it out. Once I have located them and have some ink to play with from the sprinkler, I have a pretty high chance of getting the kill.
In those situations it's never a one on one.
You're assuming all 4 are alive and stationed near their zone, have a good weapon balance and make zero mistakes.
I never assumed all four are alive. I'm sure 2vs1 or 3vs1 is not 1vs1. There is a reason you're being camped.
bad news, rollers. You need a ridicules number of damage up mains and subs to get a 30% damage increase
I use beakons quite a bit since I have them on my main weapon (Custom E-liter) but on maps like Port, Underpass, Skatepark, Warehouse or Kelp Dome superjumping isn't that beneficial since you can pretty much just walk to where you need to be in almost the same time and don't have worry about an enemy waiting for you or a well-timed Ink Strike
It also doesn't help that as a sniper, I'm pretty much a walking beakon anyway that can also defend itself and superjumping team mates. Since you can superjump to anyone in your team, they are much less important than say the teleporters in TF2
Sounds like it's made to fling thing. Good, my run speed setup will be great for it. I'll be the ronin with the giant bastard sword.
BlueSilver
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I'm 90% certain that Run Speed Up doesn't affect Rollers or Inkbrushes.
When you're holding them up not using the roll function they do. Which is why ink resistance was so important. I could run across enemy ink at almost the same speed as off it lol.
PreyingShark
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On the bright side, I believe its run speed is 1.44 compared to the splat's 1.2 and the Dynamo's .95. Pretty sure that variable is relative to your base running speed. For those wondering, the brush is a bit under 2.
Oh and yo, the min damage you got for the Dynamo was 30 right? If that's right then I think I may have the Carbon Roller's damage range: 25 to 125. EDIT: For *just* the splash. I don't think this is about when you're so close when flinging you hit the opponent with the roller itself.
That's about the same as the standard roller I think
There are four players in each team, and the map has 3 lanes. If your team is coordinating an attack on all lanes simultaneously, logically they have to spread out to cover all of them, so for a short period of time you can find 1v1 opportunities.
You're being camped and you're coordinating with your team to simultaneously have multiple 1v1 opportunities? All while under the cover of enemy fire? Your teams are really good. You win.
Carbon Roller gets splat bomb(?) and inkzooka
Custom Dual Squelcher gets beakons and killer wail
Metroid Killer
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Hey SplatGaf, lurker since the game launched but didn't feel comitted to join you guys until now. The misses and baby are asleep and I got a good 3, 4 hours just to play.
NNID: shikkoinu
Though I haven't added and friends since Nintendoland, so what is the way of joining gaf lobbies?
NNID: shikkoinu
Though I haven't added and friends since Nintendoland, so what is the way of joining gaf lobbies?
I did around 36 damage but that was with my +25% damage gear that I forgot to switch out, at max range you only hit maybe every second swing because of the spread. If you move a few steps closer your hit chance increases, at dual squelcher range you'll probably hit most of the time but the damage is somewhere in the 30 area (without damage up). I'm not sure if hopping on the spot really increases the range, but that's something that can be tested rather easily
dinazimmerman
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I finally got to A but now I'm back to A- lol. When port mackerel is in rotation, 50% of the players are rollers.
OH you mean they locked down both zones?? Is that what you mean by being camped?
I knew there was a misunderstanding somewhere. I meant the opponents have the lead, but you have control of your zone. The game is in a neutral state but you have to make something happen to regain the lead.
It was so horrible earlier. I kept playing the room you dropped out of and it was really becoming hilarious at times. Dudes I would splat would suddenly explode and spread 35 Suction Bombs all at once like a pinata of paint, a sniper's line of fire went from their base to my face when I was a half step off the spawn point, an entire Walleye Warehouse match went to the opposing team as I watched all of our team's ink spawn over the entire area.
It was straight up Looney Tunes.
Oh, well you should also specify that you're talking about splat zones. I've been in teams that have been decimated so badly by teams with 3 rollers where they just put beacons everywhere and it's insanely difficult to recover. I've also been in teams with 3 chargers where we just all hit our targets immediately right in the middle and gave the other team no chance to get back.
A single roller may not be able to do much in the middle, yeah, but there's not many viable options against chargers patrolling the lanes either. Plus sitting on your lead is the way to play Port Mackerel splat zone.
I just added you so you can join the small group we have now, but I make no promises about staying your friend forever I have to delete people everyday thanks to this 100 friend limit
Edit: you just join through the play with friends menu once you enter the online tower
Oh god lagging suction bomb rush is the absolute best. It's just like a wave of ten bombs exploding out of an inkling's body simultaneously
being on your friend list is not a right, it's a privilege
don't forget to add me when the August update hits, pls
Yo welcome!
First add any of us from the NNID spreadsheet in the OP (also add me
NNID: Jahranino) and then just join any of us in the lobby. Half the time if you see any of us we're playing in a room.Metroid Killer
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Awesome! join you guys soon!
I definitely have you on my friends list, there are some of you that I wouldn't delete
Walking leaves you more exposed than super jumping to a beakon, and is usually slower. Not to mention it lets you head back to one-way high ground, giving you more positioning options.
Teammates are usually in offensive areas, and are useless to reposition yourself defensively.
Out_Of_Ammo
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The EU splatfest is tomorrow right? I haven't played in a while so I may have missed some stuff.
Why are you wearing only the squid armor head, I laugh every time I see you lolYo welcome!
First add any of us from the NNID spreadsheet in the OP (also add me
I thought it was next week. Same day as the US one.
It's pushed back to next week, July 4. NA has ours that day too. They announce it in-game about a week before the scheduled date so you'd know if one is coming