Money hats, bias, etc. There is always some politics going into these sorts of decisions.
I get that putting together EVO and the scheduling is HARD but 12pm for Smash 4 is some bullshit :/
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Money hats, bias, etc. There is always some politics going into these sorts of decisions.
I get that putting together EVO and the scheduling is HARD but 12pm for Smash 4 is some bullshit :/
Yeah i can see it looking that way, after all one of those 3 are the most likely to win. Those 'rewards' are ridiculous lol
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Yeah the rewards kinda suck
I actually feel like they could've doubled their numbers if the rewards weren't completely asinine.
Like $50 gets you free subscription/mod status on both JWong and FGTV stream for 3 months plus you get some online casuals/tips with them.
Steaming that many pools would be even worse than that, since a lot of early pools in UMvC3 are slopfests that go 3-2 every set because people drop way too much stuff. It's probably less of an issue now as the average skill level is higher, but with a bracket as large as that it's going to have a lot of deadwood.
Running UMvC3 pools is the worst. -_-
...wait a minute, pushing harder on what? I suspect something is up with all of these random weekly questions. :x
And yeah, their story is insane but it's also the product of a lot of work, a lot of experience (there's no way a raw amateur could create sprite animation that looks that good, and it's fairly common for big doujin projects to be done by industry professionals as a passion project), and a lot of dumb luck. It's kind of sad that we'll probably never see a project like that or Twilight Frontier's early fighters, due to circumstances. (They made Eternal Fighter Zero and Immaterial and Missing Power -- those are actually just as nuts, and were better games at the time of their release).
I'm fully expecting top 8 to be all-Asia for Tekken 7.
I'm more annoyed with Smash 4 placing.
It's weird how they're doing things. If it was between Melee and Smash 4, I would have definitely chosen Smash 4 for Sunday. Not only does it have more entrants, it's also the newer game and not 15 years old.
.la1n
Member
I didn't think you were serious but whelp, there it is.
RockTurtle
Member
oh yeah i'm totally bad.
so bad.
so bad. we should do a ft10 sometime. should be a nice 10-0 warmup for y'all.
My thing is what's a pot bonus going to do in the long term for the game? Like, they announce theyre crowd funding the pot bonus after registrations for the game is closed? Who are you trying to court into playing this game? Who's supposed to care other than the people who already entered who obviously do to begin with?
Obvious hustle. And those rewards are funny as fuck
That $500 guy is probably some CEO at Marvel who can't officially give a pot bonus to the game but can give it anonymously for support.
Like that's the only thing I can come up with where someone would put down that much money for this...
And can we get some fucking EVO bets lined up?
I like the following for top 8
3+ gods in Melee
2+ gods in Marvel
1+ non American in Marvel
1+ American in GG
2+ Americans in USF4
2+ Americans in T7
16+ different characters in Marvel
6+ different characters in USF4
SonicFox GF at EVO for MKX
(character picks include one time counter picks)
Like that's the only thing I can come up with where someone would put down that much money for this...
And can we get some fucking EVO bets lined up?
I like the following for top 8
3+ gods in Melee
2+ gods in Marvel
1+ non American in Marvel
1+ American in GG
2+ Americans in USF4
2+ Americans in T7
16+ different characters in Marvel
6+ different characters in USF4
SonicFox GF at EVO for MKX
(character picks include one time counter picks)
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Have you seen the amount of donations some twitch streamers get? Apparently there's a lot of videogame fans who want to give away their money.
Who also follows Justin Wong on Twitter?
Professor Beef
Banned
You underestimate how much people will spend on the dumbest things. Just look at the $1000+ backer bonuses for Shenmue 3!
Or one of those crazy theory talk c.viper type of dudes
Lostconfused
Member
Damn I have serious issues with sunk cost fallacy when it comes to video games. I can't bring myself to drop a character or the game despite how annoyed I might have been a day or two ago at it.
Those guys aren't that crazy though since Viper just won a hefty major...
Reposting bets:
I like the following for top 8
3+ gods in Melee
2+ gods in Marvel
1+ non American in Marvel
1+ American in GG
2+ Americans in USF4
2+ Americans in T7
16+ different characters in Marvel
6+ different characters in USF4
SonicFox GF at EVO for MKX
(character picks include one time counter picks)
DryEyeRelief
Member
That sounds normal
Wahhhhhhhh.
My problem with that it's acting like you're putting a show due people demand, when no one put you a gun on the neck to enter that tournament with that prize pool. And it's not like they're not getting paid... It's just that they're getting less that other games.
Imo it's not moral to act like that. You're compiting on that tournament because you like the game, you like the tournament and you're expecting to do well and reach the prizes EVO put at first.
Also, if you're aiming to give more people a payout, why not reduce the first places prizes and give the last ones a bit more of the split?
Anyway, people can do whatever they want to. It's not my money. I just find kinda sad the situation.
Why aren't they and their friends doing a pot bonus by themselves? Cuz they want to get more money, not lose it...
This can only happen in America. Imposible to Imagine Japanese players acting the same way.
I'm really tempted to take the under on those T7 and GG lines -- this would be pending the reveal of the T7 brackets, of course. Most of the other ones are pretty reasonable, except maybe SonicFox vs. the field in MKX, but his track record in MKX is pretty goddamn gross.
Also, throwing our a random sidebet: who wins more tournaments Evo weekend (between main games and side games): SonicFox or GO1?
call_kotaku
Member
everyone knows marvel fans are huge suckers
they probably donated to fchamp and bought one of neo's shirts right afterwards
What're SonicFox's top games outside of Mortal Kombat?
I don't know if any of the Japanese coming play Under Night In Birth, but if they do, he's probably not getting that.
shaowebb
Member
Its not really a secret. Nothing I can talk much on either since its got very little actually built yet in engine or in maya. I had a BA in Animation but with the state of the industry I took a career change to industrial power generation and process technologies. As it turned out this ended up making me FAR more able to pursue my real goals in the gaming industry as an independent because it meant I no longer had to compromise on my goals and could just work on whatever I wanted with no fear of going hungry if its market didn't have as much appeal as say some new shooter or cell phone trend lol. My bills are paid no matter what the game ever does if it even does anything at all.
I do the CG, the engine stuff now that I got some, and slowly outsource hourly assistance from folks to help me build what I'm not capable of. QisTopTier is my head combat advisor and general bro on this because he plays fucking everything and because we mesh well when we just hook up and chat goals and ideas for me to work on. Neither of us is really loyal to any one game, but mainly just the genre and the potential some things have to make a good game. Got a lot of stuff on paper, a few things in CG, and a looooooooooooooooooong way to go. Nothing even close to playable given I work around a swing shift schedule in industrial areas, but its something I get to do and pour myself into.
Mainly right now I'm still finalizing a lot of art and basics and just touching the tip of the work on my models. Still need UV's, weights, rig finalization, and textures and thats before animation fucking one gets started. Still...I get to make it and can say fuck the haters if I want to. I got the freedom to polish it as long as I care about it and I care a lot. Maybe several years from now I'll have something starting to come along enough to show for it...maybe I'll just have a pile assets to redo again lol.
Its my after work sanity project that I like to work on. I hope someday I can have something that comes out and can entertain folks. Hearing how long it took the Melty Blood folks to realize that goal even after their first outing is pretty inspiring given how much it takes to even get that far. Makes me want to push harder.
I honestly don't think I'm the only one here who is trying to make some sort of fighting game project outside their daily life either.
He said side games as well so there might be an Injustice side tournament. Also Skullgirls but probably not.
Hey guys remember Injustice?
ZeroTheShadow
Member
I like 2 or less Americans in Top 8 for Tekken 7.
Well I like 2 or more Americans so you have to do less than 2.
He plays DOA, Uniel, Injustice and Skullfriends.
ZeroTheShadow
Member
2+ means 2.5 AKA more than 2. Either way I like the odds of that still. PM and we will discuss bets further.
Sorry for the confusion, I meant to say 2 or more on those.
PM me for exact details and amount.
DOA5:LR, Skullgirls, Injustice. He's decent at UNIEL but wouldn't win even an American-only tournament, and one of the JP UNIEL players coming to Evo is... GO1.
ShinMaruku
Member
Yeah Sonicfox don't play the capcom games too much. I remember when I think either Ultradavid or james chen asked him why he won't play sf, he said "I play what I like lol" I respect the man for that. Too much people under capcom's thumb.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Supposedly Justin got Wizard's blessing already.
It's not that people are under Capcom's thumb, it's that people play what other people around them are playing.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Woooow people are actually donating to that Marvel thing. Literally donating to the Marvel pot.
ShinMaruku
Member
I see far too few people playing other games. It's mainly them playing just 1 game and mono gamers are kind of odd to me.
I blame MMOs
It's because people usually only have enough time to get hardcore into one game at a time. And they would rather get into the one game with the most active players.
That's why you usually see people either play DOTA 2 hardcore or LoL hardcore but rarely both. Way too much time investment and effort just to keep up with one game.
Osu 16 Bit
Member
there's not going to be an Injustice side tournament 
It's unfortunate but it's true.
Also, I played through 2/3 of the DOTA 2 tutorial. I knew I didn't like RTS very much before but this point and click system is not suiting me very well. The camera system is also annoying me. Maybe it gets more fun and in depth once I play actual games?
Not saying I aprove that reward, but it's different. You're giving money to help something get the resource to make a better product. A product that without your help, was not going to happen.
You can't compare it to this. Nothing assures you that the tournament it's going to be better... And tournament was going to happen anyway.
It's funny that justin says "this will definitely make the matches more hype and stressful at the same time." You can make the same by doing a side bet like Mango-Leffen did at Apex...
I'm guessing Justin will make the payout.
Man some one put 300$. Insane.
I doubt they'll make 10k, but I can see 4-6k
Parallax Scroll
Banned
there's not going to be an Injustice side tournament
Really? I thought people did side tournament for all sorts of games.