Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar

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Stinkles

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Uhyve said:
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What is he even doing here? Looks like he's pulling himself towards the bar with great force, maybe she didn't appreciate being rubbed up against?

Anyways, this looks like a story with many shades of asshole.
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He's also pushing into the sink area, which is poor form at a bar and the best place to get ignored. Bartender can't serve or check easily there and they usually don't.

Full disclosure: I used to be a doorman and bottle washer in some gross bars. What happened here is a breach of etiquette from top to bottom and the QB started and escalated it.
 
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Icewear Vezzo

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This entire problem comes from people who think it's okay for a woman to hit a man, because men can easily restrain women most of the time. But no one actually tells these females to stop hitting males, that's the real problem in all of these situations. Like what do you expect when you punch some stranger in the face? Just because he's of the opposite gender he's supposed to walk away from it?

Fuck that.

Why not just go around punching random male strangers since people think that they are untouchable and there's no repercussions.
 
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AyaisMUsikWhore

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This was on ESPN all day today and imo, she provoked the fight and after multiple attempts of him trying to restrain her from actually hitting him which she kept trying to do, she finally got free and hit him in the face, which I feel he was justified in hitting her back.

Not as strong and with that much force, but she was calling to get hit. He didn't even bother her but was just trying to stand by the bar with his back to hers. I really don't understand why she went from 0-100.
 
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Stinkles

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Icewear Vezzo said:
So if the girl knew she had no chance then why the fuck did she get physical with him? So, just because I'm 6'3 and 250 pounds I can let some 5'5 140 pound guy punch me in the face because I play basketball and he's a weak hair stylist?

No, if that guy knows that I can kick his ass then he should make a better decision before hitting me, and be prepared for the counter.
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Amazing.

Docpan was more subtle.


Icewear Vezzo said:
This entire problem comes from people who think it's okay for a woman to hit a man, because men can easily restrain women most of the time. But no one actually tells these females to stop hitting males, that's the real problem in all of these situations. Like what do you expect when you punch some stranger in the face? Just because he's of the opposite gender he's supposed to walk away from it?

Fuck that.

Why not just go around punching random male strangers since people think that they are untouchable and there's no repercussions.
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It's true, we can barely walk down the street without being battered by women and society just gives them a free pass. Next thing you know they'll be the stars of their own video games.
 
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royalan

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Stinkles said:
He's also pushing into the sink area, which is poor form at a bar and the best place to get ignored. Bartender can't serve or check easily there and they usually don't.

Full disclosure: I used to be a doorman and bottle washer in some gross bars. What happened here is a breach of etiquette from top to bottom and the QB started and escalated it.
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As someone who's worked at bars, it's poor form but it's also incredibly common for patrons to stand near the black-top. But his entire body language is completely neglectful of her. He's not looking at her, and his entire body is facing the other way. He's not paying attention to her, he's trying to get the bartender's attention.
 
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Uhyve said:
h1KZe3f.gif

What is he even doing here? Looks like he's pulling himself towards the bar with great force, maybe she didn't appreciate being rubbed up against?

Anyways, this looks like a story with many shades of asshole.
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watch the actual video.

They were both moving towards the bar at the same time, she butted in front of him, wouldn't let him take the space next to her for whatever reason, and then threatened to punch him, all before he put a hand on her.
 
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commedieu

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why is there a debate here? more reddit no maam members? my lord. yea you get hit by a woman, you walk away, or throw a drink in her face. thats about it.

lots of weak egos here that cant stand it that women vs men physical violence is a double standard in the eyes of ______. this a battle worth fighting? justifying punching a woman? kicked in the balls? fall down. get help. now if any of that was done by someone who would realistically be a physical threat, have at it.

what traumas have you all been through that justifies punching a woman? happen before? there should be no problem admitting it, tis is ok.
 
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MIMIC

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crisdecuba said:
Also, it sounds like you're saying that you'd never hit a woman, but that perhaps you would if a woman threw a punch at you.
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I don't like to entertain thoughts of me hitting women, so you'll just have to figure out exactly what I'm trying to say.

And I'm not saying he was justified. I was just saying that he was clearly provoked.
 
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He got no charges because she clearly provoked him and it was a single blow.

But a football team has no need to keep you around if you get in bar fights as a freshman though.

Edit: I'm also 6'4" and over 250. I used to bounce. If you throw a punch at me, you're probably going to have a bad time. Does this shit not go through people's heads when they just start swinging at the club? If I bumped into Brock Lesnar tomorrow during a happy hour, I'm not going to throw a drink in his face and hope he doesn't stick a bar stool up my ass. Nothing sadder than someone who believes that someone else won't hit them.
 
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demon said:
watch the actual video.

They were both moving towards the bar at the same time, she butted in front of him, wouldn't let him take the space next to her for whatever reason, and then threatened to punch him, all before he put a hand on her.
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That's what I got from watching the video. She wanted her own space and escalated it to violence nigh immediately.
 
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KHarvey16

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Cloud Strife said:
You expect an appropriate response from someone who is hit in the face in a loud, noisy bar?
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It's irrelevant what you or I expect. Legally provocation isn't an excuse to assault another person. It can sometimes be used to mitigate the punishment, but it does not excuse the crime. And if we want to talk self defense, again, at no point is he in real physical danger but even if we grant that he is, the response still must be proportional.
 
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crisdecuba

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Icewear Vezzo said:
So if the girl knew she had no chance then why the fuck did she get physical with him? So, just because I'm 6'3 and 250 pounds I can let some 5'5 140 pound guy punch me in the face because I play basketball and he's a weak hair stylist?

No, if that guy knows that I can kick his ass then he should make a better decision before hitting me, and be prepared for the counter.
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When the other person poses no real threat and you have a significant power / strength advantage, I think it's good to walk away in that scenario. You don't *have* to counter. Why is walking away and choosing *not* to retaliate and destroy the guy a bad thing?
 
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Stinkles

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Sho_Nuff82 said:
He got no charges because she clearly provoked him and it was a single blow.

But a football team has no need to keep you around if you get in bar fights as a freshman though.
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On the flip side I agree with this 100%, but gaf loves its black and white positions.
 
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devilhawk

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Stinkles said:
I see a lot of this these days. Perhaps you could ignore gender and look at size? He's an athlete. The other person is tiny.

But maybe the bolded part trumps that, huh?
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Tiny? That girl probably has 20 pounds on me. She is easily pushing 160. She looks huge compared to the guy to her right.
 
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Icewear Vezzo

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Stinkles said:
Amazing.

Docpan was more subtle.




It's true, we can barely walk down the street without being battered by women and society just gives them a free pass. Next thing you know they'll be the stars of their own video games.
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Lmao stop with the bull. You have no counter argument so now you're coming off as someone arguing with someone against feminism. It's embarrassing, my opinion on women hitting men have no correlation to how I feel about the gender. But whatever, using your logic women can get away with assault freely so long as it's on a male that's physically stronger than them.
 
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Fragamemnon

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Xyrmellon said:
The real question is what in the hell is up with overalls and no shirt bartender???
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White Trash Wednesdays. Not displayed in the video-more jorts than a early home game at Ben-Hill Griffon Stadium.

edit: I went to nearly every seminole home game for almost a decade. I can't really root for the team anymore and instead root for a school I have looser affiliation to (Utah State) that's way worse at football because the moral character of these FSU teams reminds me more of the carnvial trash down at the U rather than the teams under Bobby and Mickey. Those two certainly weren't saints or perfect, but as much as I like Jimbo personally the moral standing of the program has gone completely off the wheels.
 
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gohepcat

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Icewear Vezzo said:
Um, she hit him first.

Is he supposed to rub it off and sit down somewhere else in the bar, while everyone laughs at him and he got assaulted? No.

People need to stop blaming the guys in these cases all of the time, the female was clearly the aggressor and yet the guy is a piece of shit and not the female who got physical with him....wow.
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..ugh

This machismo bullshit is going to totally wreck your life someday.

This shit is so far from what a successful life looks like. Squaring off and throwing punches doesn't happen anywhere in the normal world. Even if you erase all the annoying shit that he's doing (squeezing into the bar) the normal response to that girl would be to back the fuck away and reevaluate the shithole bars you frequent.
 
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RockTurtle

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she kneed him in the nuts.

i think any sensible or logical thought process he had was probably nipped in the bud there.

the punch to his face was the last straw.

however, the dude used way too much force. he had enough sense to make it only one punch, but still brah.

I really don't know why college campuses don't make it a rule for student athletes to NOT involve themselves in situations with alcohol.
 
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Mimosa97

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The girl is an ass and it just happens that the guy she decided to piss off is an even bigger ass.

Dude knew he could easily avoid her weak punches and just brush it off but nah he had to go for the kill, show his manly manliness. Well time to take the L tough guy.
 
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Lazyslob

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sometimes people need to get checked. she definitely looks the type to have acted this way before and i bet you shes not going to do that shit anymore
 
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Icewear Vezzo

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crisdecuba said:
When the other person poses no real threat and you have a significant power / strength advantage, I think it's good to walk away in that scenario. You don't *have* to counter. Why is walking away and choosing *not* to retaliate and destroy the guy a bad thing?
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Because, if that were to happen to me. 9 times out of 10 I'm so pissed after being hit in the face it's natural instinct to retaliate. The other scenario involves me trying to keep calm but wanting to counter out of revenge.

And let's be real, backing down from a fight after being struck is embarrassing and a sign of weakness to the public.
 
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KHarvey16

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Icewear Vezzo said:
Lmao stop with the bull. You have no counter argument so now you're coming off as someone arguing with someone against feminism. It's embarrassing, my opinion on women hitting men have no correlation to how I feel about the gender. But whatever, using your logic women can get away with assault freely so long as it's on a male that's physically stronger than them.
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Why is not hitting someone interpreted by you as allowing them to get away with it?
 
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Stinkles

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Icewear Vezzo said:
Lmao stop with the bull. You have no counter argument so now you're coming off as someone arguing with someone against feminism. It's embarrassing, my opinion on women hitting men have no correlation to how I feel about the gender. But whatever, using your logic women can get away with assault freely so long as it's on a male that's physically stronger than them.
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I'm still interested in why you went for the expression, "hair stylist" and genuinely curious to know how often you've been physically assaulted by smaller women to the point you find it incendiary?

I believe, jobs included, I'm somewhere between 15-20 good punches to the face, and zero returned.
 
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Icewear Vezzo said:
Because, if that were to happen to me. 9 times out of 10 I'm so pissed after being hit in the face it's natural instinct to retaliate. The other scenario involves me trying to keep calm but wanting to counter out of revenge.

And let's be real, backing down from a fight after being struck is embarrassing and a sign of weakness to the public.
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Bro, evaluate your life if you've been punched in the face 10 times.
 
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Firelord Chargrilled

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Just saw this on tmz

Florida State QB De'Andre Johnson claims the woman he struck in a Tallahassee bar fight called him the N-word before things got violent ... this according to Johnson's rep.

We're told ... Johnson is adamant the woman dropped the N-bomb when Johnson initially bumped into her at the bar ... saying, "Get off me you f**king n**ger."

Johnson's rep says there are witnesses at the bar who also claim they heard the racial slur ... and they're willing to testify in court.
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commedieu said:
why is there a debate here? more reddit no maam members? my lord. yea you get hit by a woman, you walk away, or throw a drink in her face. thats about it.
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Thats terrible advice that will almost always lead to a physical altercation.To me thats proportional to getting punched in the face by a stranger.
 
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crisdecuba

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MIMIC said:
And I'm not saying he was justified. I was just saying that he was clearly provoked.
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Thanks for clarifying.

To explain my thinking: each sentence in the OP made it sound like you were trying, in a wishy-washy, hand-wringing sort of way, to say he was justified or reasonable in his response. I think if you re-read it, you could understand how someone could interpret it that way.

Of course, you've clarified that that wasn't what you were trying to say, and I totally accept that.
 
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royalan

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gohepcat said:
..ugh

This machismo bullshit is going to totally wreck your life someday.

This shit is so far from what a successful life looks like. Squaring off and throwing punches doesn't happen anywhere in the normal world. Even if you erase all the annoying shit that he's doing (squeezing into the bar) the normal response to that girl would be to back the fuck away and reevaluate the shithole bars you frequent.
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Where's the "squaring off"? This wasn't an arranged fight. She kneed him in the nuts and punched him in the face over him doing absolutely nothing wrong (that we can see from the video). He then defends himself and hits her back. It's not like he bulked up on her.
 
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Delta Assault

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Stinkles said:
I'm still interested in why you went for the expression, "hair stylist" and genuinely curious to know how often you've been physically assaulted by smaller women to the point you find it incendiary?

I believe, jobs included, I'm somewhere between 15-20 good punches to the face, and zero returned.
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Man. Bungie is a rough place to work at...
 
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KHarvey16

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Icewear Vezzo said:
And let's be real, backing down from a fight after being struck is embarrassing and a sign of weakness to the public.
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To idiots it is. The adults understand it's better to not be charged with violent crimes and so utilize the legal resources around them to punish the person assaulting them.
 
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Lazyslob said:
sometimes people need to get checked. she definitely looks the type to have acted this way before and i bet you shes not going to do that shit anymore
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What does this "type" look like? I'd like to know so I can avoid them in the future.

Icewear Vezzo said:
Because, if that were to happen to me. 9 times out of 10 I'm so pissed after being hit in the face it's natural instinct to retaliate. The other scenario involves me trying to keep calm but wanting to counter out of revenge.

And let's be real, backing down from a fight after being struck is embarrassing and a sign of weakness to the public.
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Why is that a sign of weakness? I'm not entirely surprised by the remark, but I'm genuinely curious why you believe this. Has it been reinforced during your life that backing down from a fight, being less aggressive, and refraining from retaliating in situations when there isn't any sort of threat are inherently shameful things? That it'll make you less of a man?
 
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