And that is exactly what my mother told both me and my sisters when we were kids.
Watch the actual video. None of this happens the way you're describing it.
Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar
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And that is exactly what my mother told both me and my sisters when we were kids.
Watch the actual video. None of this happens the way you're describing it.
Sho_Nuff82
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He'd probably still be off the team, and he probably still wouldn't catch a case.
Edit: D'oh, totally misread the OP, he was charged. I still don't think he'll see any jail time. Not over a returned punch.
an alternative, in this identical situation, if your ego cant walk away, which is clearly the issue here, toss a drink. after someones been beating on you, remember thats the context.
people are pretending theyd go road house on her. a drink is always better than punching a woman.
Didn't he put hands on her first?
To stop a punch.
Josh with a J
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After what you said does that even make a difference to you?
She raised her fist to him. Grabbing someone's fist who is threatening to punch you is a pretty appropriate response.
CrazyDogg77
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Somebody gotta take that fall
Firelord Chargrilled
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I just see the QB escalating that situation from 0 to 100 with how he grabbed that girls drunkenly, slowly raised fist and slamming her to the dude next to her. Is that when she called him a nigger? I'm trying to understand what justifies that sort of response from the QB. Seems you all skip ahead to talking about the girl throwing that punch.
...and this is where you ruin your life. I'm not joking.
The real world does not accept your problems with impulse control. You can justify it all you want, but this thought process will eventually lead you to fucking your life up irreparably while the rest of the civilized world moves on.
Hopefully not by smashing her face in like an idiot. Act like an adult.
Self defense is in cases where you're trying to prevent injury and, again, the response must be reasonable. Even if we grant the idea that he was justified in using force to defend himself the response is clearly not proportional to the threat he is faced with.
Stand your ground laws in Florida apply to self defense in response to the threat of death or grievous bodily injury (or commission of a forcible felony, which this isn't). It also does not remove the requirement the response be proportional.
Jawbreaker
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I did. She appears to reach the bar area before he did, but he continues to push himself into her in an attempt to squeeze into that small opening. Unless I'm missing something? It's possible there's something in the video I overlooked.
CountAntonius
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I been slapped by drunk women before and even kicked in the nuts never got near throwing a punch. I may have been extremely angry but I knew my punch would do more damage than necessary. I totally understand the "don't start no shit won't be no shit" mentality because she was wrong for what she did but he knew he shouldn't have done that and fucked by letting his anger get the better of him. he was not defending himself and that was completely overkill.
Starfish Hero
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Exactly, people need to realize that their egos can literally get them thrown in jail, maimed, or even killed. Especially in a goddamn bar.
King Cobra
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At first I thought all was fair since she threw the first punch, but he was barging himself there by force. So he's and asshole, good to see that they took him off the team.
Miami still won't have a shot at winning their rivalry game.
Miami still won't have a shot at winning their rivalry game.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Let's be real... , does that word carry a history full of disgusting tragedy that happened to millions of people during an Era that lasted more than a decade or is it just an "offensive" word that might be brought up because someone can't come up with any real derogatory word against white people?
I honestly can't believe you would equate being called a honky, which really isn't exclusive to White people, something equivalent to being called a nigger. Lord have mercy...
I don't think this fits this situation but, when a bully does both to someone and that person breaks and completely fuck up that bully, that would be justified, man or women. I don't see how when you are being provoked and assaulted (because both of these things were happening in this video) clearly assaulting back was the only option to completely descalating the issue, is just wrong?
I'd say if a man was hitting me many times after being provoked and assaulted and I finally had enough, reached for a bottle and knocked his ass back because I know that one hit will cancel him, I don't see how that isn't self defense?
Icewear Vezzo
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Because clearly if you respond to getting punched in the face by fighting back you're uncivilized right?
Guess I'm just supposed to get my ass beat and stand there, and just press charges afterwards because that's the civilized road.
Shit I wish I knew those kind of people in real life, I wish I could be as cool and be an internet psychologist like you as well.
ding ding.
we need to do a roll call to see who here has actually been hit.
I have a feeling its not too many.
The part you're missing is that there's actually an available space next to her. You can see it even in the gifs.
He didn't shove her at all. The most he did was bump into her when he went to stand in that available space. And sorry, but in a crowded bar you kinda need to expect that.
GoldenEye 007
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I see.
Either way, a single punch seems reasonable enough to stop at least one punch and possibly kneeing in the groin. I'm not sure how someone in the heat of the moment is supposed to know how strong their punch is supposed to be.
They're both in the wrong. QB shouldn't have been a rude dickhead. Yes, it's a bar and it's going to be crowded and people are goingto bump into each other, but a plain "excuse me" would've suffice. The lady shouldn't have escalated the situation by raising her fist. I can buy the story of her kneeing him since it kind of looks that way in the video.
smokeandmirrors
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Oh no how ever would anyone cope with THE EMBARASSMENT of walking away from a fight.
Velcro Fly
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Throwing shit on someone is still going to get you in trouble. Just get up and walk away. Get her thrown out of the bar. Do basically anything but hit her back or throw stuff on her. How fucking hard is it. I have an awful temper and I've done it a few times. Some drunk girl gets in my face at a bar and I just have to remind myself that no person is worth it. I stand up and walk away.
Khaos_Knight
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LOL
Moral of the story: Don't swing at people stronger and bigger than you.
Dude is too busy doing his job to pay attention to some jock and some hoe engage in fisticuffs lol
Moral of the story: Don't swing at people stronger and bigger than you.
Dude is too busy doing his job to pay attention to some jock and some hoe engage in fisticuffs lol
Alcohol doesn't remove culpability, but you seem to think it does. If I as a man drunkenly punch a woman, I can't put that shit on the alcohol. It was my decision to drink. Besides, drunk or not (she didn't look drunk to me), don't raise your arm and start mouthing off at someone just because they're trying to squeeze in to a spot at the bar. It's not like he was harassing her or trying to feel her up. He was trying to get to the counter just like she was. And if he wasn't already pissed by her talking shit and pulling back her fist, the n-word probably would've set him off. Of course, anyone that uses that word deserves a punch to the face anyway.
I think it's hilarious that people think this was gonna happen. Let's be real. A black guy goes to a bouncer and tells him a white chick tried to hit him and you think the bouncer's gonna ask her to leave? He'll laugh in your face and go back to what he was doing.
Big Baybee
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I don't care about him being charged, he chose poorly, but I seriously hope she gets charged also. She shouldn't be able to just walk away from this.
She cut him off, maybe they were going to the same spot, but he certainly acted pretty childish about it. If a rude drunk girl is going to be like that, it's probably better to go somewhere else rather than force your way next to her with an extra bit of force for good measure.
CountAntonius
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She got a bloody nose. He was dropped as a QB from a university. I think the moral of the story is walk the fuck away.
Some level of force is justified, just not the violence he chose to inflict. Continuing to restrain her is just fine. Just saying "assault = assault!" is missing the part of the equation where the force needs to be reasonable given the threat. One gunshot to the head will also "cancel the threat," so simply claiming a particular response nullifies the danger isn't a useful standard for judging reasonableness.
Sho_Nuff82
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How, as a lawyer, do you argue that a punch to the face is a disproportionate response to a punch to the face? Did he wind up and throw a haymaker? Did he double axe handle her in the back of the head? Did he pummel her mercilessly on the ground? Did he put on brass knuckles? Whip out a club or knife? Pull a gun? He responded with proportionate force to an assault on his person and stopped his attacker... after she wrestled herself free of his previous non-violent attempts to stop her assaulting him.
The only way you could argue that he was not justified is if you argued that a grown woman is physically incapable of harming a man with her fists.
I have and it sucks.
I break it into three categories -
Startlingly clean shot to the nose that makes your eyes water. bUT YOURENOT CRYING!
Thick astonishing bony shot to the skull, orbital, face, that literally makes you see stars.
Rage inducing medium shot that doesn't fully connect but makes you go full hulk/retard.
The fourth is the mysterious one that you only remember recovering from.
Jawbreaker
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Depends on who you're getting punched in the face by. There are times where it's called for to legitimately defend yourself, then there are times where an old woman knocks you over the head with her purse or a drunk woman throws a weak punch in your direction where you're not in any real danger, and you don't need to act in disproportion.
Velcro Fly
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did her punch even land
his punch almost knocked her off the chair she was sitting on
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It's a word, not a fist.
Josh with a J
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Don't forget to add when/if they are wearing a big ring lol. Shit actually does hurt
I am just curious, how many people defending her have actually been punched in the face by surprise? How many of you have been in any kind of street fight? If you have, then you know the difference between reacting and stopping to think about it can be the difference between walking away with minor injuries or getting placed into a hospital. It is easy to say that he shouldn't have punched her while you calmly sit in your chair or have never been punched in the face by a complete stranger. It is also funny when people blame him for going out and trying to enjoy his youth, like any college kid. It is not like he was out gang banging.
Yeah, true. Should get something. Seems like both should be charged with something and deals worked out along with apologies for acting like idiots, anger management and so on (and payment from Johnson for whatever medical bills she had, if any).
That's my thought as well.
What in any of my responses lead you to believe that this has anything to do with ego? I agreed with you that walking away is a good piece of advice while throwing a drink in a strangers face is bad. Reverse the genders in this situation and recommending throwing a drink as a form of retribution/deescalation is still stupid. Just walk away. There doesn't need to be a second option.
We clearly have different philosophies on what to do at a bar so lets agree to disagree.
He fucked up big time. I've been hit by a woman (due to breaking up a fight where she was getting wailed on and she turned on me) and I'll be honest, the initial reaction is to strike back. But you've got to walk away and take the L.
And if you're a budding superstar athlete? My god, you HAVE to be smarter than that. So I have little sympathy for him in the end.
That said, let's play devil's advocate and look at the other side:
a) Trying to squeeze into the bar is no crime. Everyone does this, all the time. I have never seen it been an issue in over 15 years of going to bars. There's no way you can say that action caused this.
b) I don't have a lot of sympathy for her either since she both started it, escalated it, and assaulted him first.
c) While I didn't react when I was hit, I was fairly sober at the time. This guy might have been legless drunk for all we know. That's no legal excuse, but it would explain his lack of restraint.
d) He threw one punch, didn't knock her out, didn't injure her in any lasting way. (Thank god, obviously.) It was a vicious punch from a ripped athlete, and thus I understand him being charged, but if I'm the guy's criminal lawyer I'm saying he responded to a punch, kick and possible racial abuse with a punch of his own in self defence - proportional. Not like he beat her up, pulled a knife or a gun. She punched, so did he.
e) We don't know what was said, and claims are flying around. Might have had a huge effect, who knows.
Still though, you're gonna come across assholes in life. Some might even hit you. You just gotta keep your fists by your side and move on. You have to.
And if you're a budding superstar athlete? My god, you HAVE to be smarter than that. So I have little sympathy for him in the end.
That said, let's play devil's advocate and look at the other side:
a) Trying to squeeze into the bar is no crime. Everyone does this, all the time. I have never seen it been an issue in over 15 years of going to bars. There's no way you can say that action caused this.
b) I don't have a lot of sympathy for her either since she both started it, escalated it, and assaulted him first.
c) While I didn't react when I was hit, I was fairly sober at the time. This guy might have been legless drunk for all we know. That's no legal excuse, but it would explain his lack of restraint.
d) He threw one punch, didn't knock her out, didn't injure her in any lasting way. (Thank god, obviously.) It was a vicious punch from a ripped athlete, and thus I understand him being charged, but if I'm the guy's criminal lawyer I'm saying he responded to a punch, kick and possible racial abuse with a punch of his own in self defence - proportional. Not like he beat her up, pulled a knife or a gun. She punched, so did he.
e) We don't know what was said, and claims are flying around. Might have had a huge effect, who knows.
Still though, you're gonna come across assholes in life. Some might even hit you. You just gotta keep your fists by your side and move on. You have to.
TheDrizzlerJ11
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I knew it was gonna be a bar on the strip.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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And both was dealt to him or did you not watch the video?
CountAntonius
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I got slapped on my damn ear straight across the side of my face. That hurt plenty...
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