Firelord Chargrilled
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Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar
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Your tag fits you Bruh
I don't think you should have to face ridicule for doing the right thing.
Icewear Vezzo
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How can he be charged with assault when he struck her while she was in the act of trying to assault him? Fuck the strength debate whose to say that the women would've stopped throwing blows if he didn't retaliate?
Big Baybee
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He shouldn't have hit her, that almost always ends badly. But she raises her fist like she is going to punch him, he grabs that arm, she gets free and punches him, and he hits her back. Shouldn't she be charged as well?
GoldenEye 007
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I don't know the full story here.
But if true she physically assaulted first by kneeing him in the groin and punching him in the face, a single punch to stop a threat seems pretty proportional.
It's not like he then kicked her, dragged her, and kept going at her. He didn't use an object. It was one. If indeed true, I don't see how any semi competent defense lawyer wouldn't be able to successfully defend him in court.
You're really going to argue in a bar setting during getting punched and possibly kneed in the groin (which is very serious and can immobilize someone or cause serious life changing damage), he is supposed to know exactly how strong his punch stopping it is supposed to be? Seems like quite the unreasonable burden.
Mr_Antimatter
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The sad thing is, there isn't a real way to discuss this without some measure of sounding like you are ether creating a sexually discriminating double standard, or coming off like a MRA lunatic.
Seductivpancakes
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Cause that means you won't be an alpha and we can't have that.
Uh, yes. Walk away is usually the best decision if a drunk girl starts yelling racial slurs at you.
Officerrob
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Sure, if you believe every single aspect of the story from his point of view...
Starfish Hero
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You shouldn't, but ridicule shouldn't deter you from doing the right thing.
Why are juniors in this thread so angry ?. I wonder how many times on average a man will face a similar situation. Why does it make you juniors so angry that most men will choose not to retaliate ? How is that a sign of weakness ? Why do you feel like it's the worse injustice you might ever experience ?
Icewear Vezzo
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Are you black? If so, have you ever been called a nigger before?
As a black man, if a Caucasian female called me a nigger, I honestly don't even know how I would react. People are expecting way too much out of this young man, and expect seemingly nothing from the woman who started all this.
Josh with a J
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ITT: men who think it's never okay to hit a woman?
Lolol
Not sure about you, but when faced with a pain response and immediate reaction, I don't logically think out an "appropriate level of response" with a precisely measured punch.
If I am hit, I immediately push or hit back, there is no thought. When this has happened in the past to me I've never full on swung, but I find it hard to judge.
Of course he is way stronger, of course if sitting in a calm state like we are in an armchair we can say that level of course wasn't necessary. But if you are getting hit in the groin and another to the face....just saying.
For me it wouldn't be logical or "its a woman". That only works (for me) if it is a slower build up / fight where I consciously prepare myself to be hit and take it. An unprovoked or unexpected hit in short order can evoke a more base response.
If I am hit, I immediately push or hit back, there is no thought. When this has happened in the past to me I've never full on swung, but I find it hard to judge.
Of course he is way stronger, of course if sitting in a calm state like we are in an armchair we can say that level of course wasn't necessary. But if you are getting hit in the groin and another to the face....just saying.
For me it wouldn't be logical or "its a woman". That only works (for me) if it is a slower build up / fight where I consciously prepare myself to be hit and take it. An unprovoked or unexpected hit in short order can evoke a more base response.
Fair enough.
GoldenEye 007
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Oh and does Florida have a duty to retreat if being assaulted?
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
Are you an adult?
Well....legal "self-defense" is a lot different than what most people think. It's the reasonable force you use that is necessary to prevent the imminent, or ongoing use of force of someone else.
Decking her probably wasn't a reasonable response to her punch. It is pretty unreasonable to think that a hard blow like that was necessary to stop her.
What happened here was a case of provocation. He was CLEARLY provoked, and punched her back. And most people punch back when having had a punch thrown at them (whether it landed or not).
On the streets, it's typical a fight. Legally, it's just a case of provocation. Now, if she had been pummeling him, landing some hard blows (or picked up a weapon, like a bottle or something), he probably would have been justified in hitting her back.
Having said that, she definitely assaulted him with the missed punch. And physically assaulted him with the kick.
0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55
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No, I'm white. If a black woman calls me a honky, should I hit her?
Air Zombie Meat
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I'd be ashamed of myself if I was that guy.
Disproportionate force. And he clearly pushed into her back first. They should both be charged though.
Sho_Nuff82
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Just the liquid. It's assault.
Just, don't do it.
Waste of everyone's time and money to send people to jail over a mutual bar fight.
Someone has to lose these fights, you don't automatically throw the "winner" behind bars. 99% of the time you just kick the drunken sots out and tell them to come back next week.
Starfish Hero
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I'm black and still think he should've walked away. Is that expecting a lot? Maybe, but he'd still be on the team if he did.
Dice//
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Quoting for truth.
Provocation doesn't excuse assault. It just doesn't. He doesn't need to punch her in the face to ensure he isn't injured. He can move away or continue to restrain her. What "damage" she's capable of while being held does not in any way require being hit in the face hard like that.
I'm really starting to think that sort of insecurity is the primary motivation for many of the responses here!
You can't have watched the CCTV footage to say that.
A bunch of women are being served at a busy bar. Once they get their drinks and start to move away, both Johnson and the women squeeze past them to get to the bar. Johnson is just trying to get the spot to the left of the woman.
She instigated the entire confrontation. Johnson has his back to her, as he's focuses on getting to the bar. She first turns around and starts shouting at him. His 'crime' is touching her with his outstretched arm. You can't go around starting bar fights if someone makes contact with you in a busy bar when everyone is jostling and squeezing past each other to get served.
Icewear Vezzo
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The term "honky" doesn't nearly hold as much weight as "nigger". I never said I would hit the woman, I said I wouldn't know how I would react. And to answer your question, you should if she kicked you in the nuts and attempted to strike you twice.
yeah but thats in a vacuum, as far as this thread goes.
hed have no charges pressed. and im.speaking on that exact situation where you're being assaulted by her first. not just someone you dont like at a bar.
if he threw a drink in her face, in this situation, and bounced, after she was provoking him, hed be free to go, correct?
megamerican
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If, and that's a big if, everything he said is true I think he'll likely walk.
The big question is will any college let alone NFL team touch him even if he's vindicated.
It's never okay to hit a woman, just like it's never okay to call someone a racial slur, knee them in the genitals, and repeatedly try to punch them.
The big question is will any college let alone NFL team touch him even if he's vindicated.
It's never okay to hit a woman, just like it's never okay to call someone a racial slur, knee them in the genitals, and repeatedly try to punch them.
He should have, him putting his hands on a white woman was never going to end well for him. No matter what she did to him
No ones calling you a Sith. Just pointing out that one of your alternatives for not getting into a physical articulation is terrible. Plain and simple.
And of course I'm not saying the physical damage of being splashed in the face by a drink is the same as being hit in the face. However, if I was out in a public setting and a stranger threw their drink in my face I'd feel violated.
But you do you mate.
DonasaurusRex
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..what line there are just people in the bar area trying to get a bartenders attention. In the video she works her way up to the bar just like he did, happens all the time. They were just rude as shit to each other , thats some lame so so club bar or dive bar all of a sudden no one is gonna get up and close when its busy and 15 people per bartender? Yeah right.
He shouldn't have punched her in the face but she was not...thinking swinging at grown men in a bar...then reality sets in, talk is cheap.
Oh well he paid for that punch hope it was worth it.
Message to people in bars, men and women.
If someone is trying to squeeze in at a bar and you try to stop them, start mouthing off, throw racial epithets, raise your arm, swing and hit someone, there's probably gonna be retaliation. I figured something like that was common knowledge, but some people (i.e. the woman in this video) seems to think her gender (race?) cancels all of that it out. It doesn't. Not always anyway. Kindly pass this knowledge on to people you know. Thanks.
If someone is trying to squeeze in at a bar and you try to stop them, start mouthing off, throw racial epithets, raise your arm, swing and hit someone, there's probably gonna be retaliation. I figured something like that was common knowledge, but some people (i.e. the woman in this video) seems to think her gender (race?) cancels all of that it out. It doesn't. Not always anyway. Kindly pass this knowledge on to people you know. Thanks.
Josh with a J
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If anyone called me a honky I would laugh right in their face because it's hilarious. You can't say the same thing about the n-word
GoldenEye 007
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I would consider provocation being anything that is verbal or not physically harming anyone. If it gets physical, how it is simply provocation and not self defense?
In Florida, is he required to walk away if assaulted?
Frankly they should both be charged. She looks drunk and I'm sure he was too. Maybe if he was sober and not in some shit bar he would have been able to handle the situation better, but he didn't. As for whether the school was right to dump him, in the end he is damaging the school's reputation by getting caught in some bar punching a girl in the face. Regardless of the circumstances, it looks terrible.
Firelord Chargrilled
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If you assault someone I don't give a fuck what mitigating circumstances there is , you better be ready to deal with those consequences for putting your hands on someone.
Plain and simple
Plain and simple
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
No I'm saying I don't think Jay Z gives a shit -- and more, I think he'd rather take shit from the losers calling him out than the the alternative.
Jawbreaker
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Looks like she's in his ear because he kept shoving into her, trying to force himself into that area disregarding her position. She got upset that he was pushing in, so she starts mouthing off, seemingly telling him that she's going to punch him in the face if he doesn't stop pushing into her. The guy sees her arm/hand positioned as if she's threatening to deliver a punch, so instead of apologizing and backing away, he instead decides to restrain her and talk smack back at her. In order to free herself (it looks like she's telling him to get his hands off her), it's possible that the knee was delivered at that moment, followed by the weak punch that's then countered with a disproportionate strike by the guy.
The woman definitely could have handled the situation differently, but it looks like the guy pushing into her, invading her personal space and grabbing her was what escalated the altercation to the point where she felt the need to knee and/or throw a punch. None of the actions by the woman necessitated that blow to the face.
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