She raises her fist, but he grabs her first. It's probably why he's being charged and not her. But, I agree that she shouldn't have raised her fist. My point though, is that she was reacting to his actions when she did that. It's weird that people are watching this video and thinking "look, she started it, because she didn't move out of his way, when he was trying to push her out from the bar!"
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She raises her fist, but he grabs her first. It's probably why he's being charged and not her. But, I agree that she shouldn't have raised her fist. My point though, is that she was reacting to his actions when she did that. It's weird that people are watching this video and thinking "look, she started it, because she didn't move out of his way, when he was trying to push her out from the bar!"
old manatee
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She's not a woman, she is an adult human being who is physically assaulting him.
I read your post and quoted it back to you. You said:
What was her intent, if not to do harm?
And then this:
Which I don't even know, I mean, really? Look at what you said here.
Watch the video again. That first girl has her hand on the bar, until the end. She wanted to stay there, but gave up from his pushing.
SinShep
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You mean the one that punched someone who hit him first? Yeah, I feel bad for him.
Someone punches you with the intent to harm you, you hit them back. Simple as that.
TheLostBigBoss
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You clearly can't read, because I didn't advocate someone hitting him with a bottle, I said he's lucky someone else didn't come in and escalate it more. You know, drunk people do stupid shit and you never know who you're dealing with at a bar.
there you go again, clearly enough space for bothhe didnt try to take her spot
You are right plenty of room for both. Why is he pushing into her like that?
He wasn't trying to push her out of the bar. She was actually trying to push him. In the effort to get to the bar, he might have been a little rude. Her reaction to that is completely inappropriate: she puts her hand on his chest and then raises her other hand up in a fist threatening him.
Your tone is hopeful (with regards to the bottle), but I'll leave that alone for the moment. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what her intent was when she threw that punch, if not to harm?
Have you never been to a bar before?
Unless there are seats, which there weren't, it's customary to get the fuck out of the way so that another person can order if you already have your drink.
there you go again, clearly enough space for bothhe didnt try to take her spot
Do you really think there was clearly enough space for both of them? Because, there's clearly not. She wants to stand at the bar and order a drink, just like the man to the other side of her.
He is pulling himself into the free spot is he not? He is not pushing against her to start something
yes? Just watch to the left of her where he is trying to get to. Dont you think thats enough space for him to stand there??
TheLostBigBoss
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Yea, he was in such danger, just look at how fast she was swinging and how little time he had to react to her vicious blows!
He's clearly trying to get to that free spot. She's pushing backward against him.
Look, if you're point is that you think he was right to push people away from the bar, fine. Point being, he was still the one pushing people first.
yes! Thats what ive been saying, I dont see anything wrong with trying to get that spot.
Too bad there are people that arent able to see that spot
He is pushing into her with his shoulder is what I see. I am not sure why because as you said there is plenty of space for both.
MrChocolate
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Have you ever been to a bar? Because you clearly sound like you haven't.
Except there isn't any pushing...
Until Punchy starts pushing.
Lynn and Keri both have never been to a bar.
Makes you wonder if there are underlying motives for people who want to demonize him so much despite the video footage that proves he didn't instigate any of this.
He could have just stood behind her, yes. But instead, he starts pressing against her back.
EDIT: Sorry y'all, I have to go to work and abandon this thread now! Sorry to be "that" person who posts and run, but I'm posting and running.
Time to get some new glasses then..cause she is the one pushing backwards against him
What the fuck. Of course. Look at the gif. He is clearly pushing his shoulder into her back. He didn't need to because there is plenty of room to get by.
She is pushing him? No way. In that gif he is pushing against her. Wow.
In this gif?
If you say she is pushing back then I know you guys are just trolling now.
You've definitely never been to a bar.
You're not getting serviced in a loud, crowded bar from the second row.
He's also not pushing into her. He's trying to move to the open spot on the left, which the chubby girl who instigated this whole thing wasn't occupying.
TheLostBigBoss
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I forgot you can tell tone from the printed word.
Her intent was probably to hurt him, she threw a punch.
The result, was not threatening and did zero harm to him and he was in a position to deescalate the situation in plenty of ways that don't result in smashing her face.
If you think women are inherently weak, fragile and defenseless. You're a sexist piece of shit and I really don't care if I take a ban for saying this because it isn't true. Some people in this very thread are not expressing that line of thinking directly but it's very obvious they think it. If we replaced the woman with Rhonda Rousey and the exact same force of punch, what would this discussion be? The very fact that people think the law should discriminate just because they are of different genders is damning enough, like why even strive for fairness in our laws at all? I'm out.
Watch the video instead of the gif, if you still dont see it after that I dont know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGGdlL5U61U
Multiple times, she goes out of her way to block his access to the bar.
She even hip checks him as if she were a hockey player.
Preach... couldn't have said it better
Florida's bars are as dangerous as any Everglade swamp. Expect no quarter. Mercy is for the weak. If he brings a knife, you bring a bat. If he brings a bat, you bring a gun. If she pushes you hard, like really hard fam like I was scared for my life fam, you drive a fist into her face and you do it with every muscle fiber still accepting electrical impulses through that alcoholic mist. That's the Florida way.
This. It's absolutely true. Like I said, people shouldn't hit people, period. A woman throwing a punch is no different than a man doing so.
If this was a woman throwing a punch at another woman, this topic wouldn't exist.
If this was a man throwing a punch at another man, this topic wouldn't exist.
The existence of this topic, and the debate therein, is a clear example of sexism, and it's wrong. Plain and simple.
Ok, that's all I wanted.
A punch is a punch. Doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman. If you throw a punch you've intended to do harm regardless of strength or accuracy. Should he have punched her back? No. Was he justified in doing so? Yes. Don't hit people thinking you're untouchable just because you have a vagina. That mentality needs to end.
SinShep
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You act like she would be unable to hurt him at all. If that first hit had connected properly she could've possibly broken his nose. Regardless, even though she didn't that was still her intent by throwing that punch, so of course he should return a hit.
He has a right to defend himself with the level of force he believes is necessary to stop her aggression.
He initially tried holding her clenched fist and reason with her and that didn't work. She punched him, and so he punched her once to stop her aggression. I would also lean in his favor that she did knee him in the groin based on her actions throughout the video. Now if he continued to pummel her that would be different. But once the threat was over, he stopped his actions.
This is totally justifiable and the charges will be dropped fairly quickly. You are allowed to defend yourself and it doesn't matter that she's a female.
He initially tried holding her clenched fist and reason with her and that didn't work. She punched him, and so he punched her once to stop her aggression. I would also lean in his favor that she did knee him in the groin based on her actions throughout the video. Now if he continued to pummel her that would be different. But once the threat was over, he stopped his actions.
This is totally justifiable and the charges will be dropped fairly quickly. You are allowed to defend yourself and it doesn't matter that she's a female.
TheLostBigBoss
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Yea, because she was about to go HAM on him.
I personally like how he just leaves after hitting her, but he clearly had no other option but to confront her, it was his right!
I have seen the video thanks. Still looks like he is pushing against her. Not sure how that is pathetic.
If this had been a guy-on-guy confrontation, this wouldn't even have been turned into a thread.
The fact that it's twenty-four-fucking-pages and counting is ridiculous.
Too much latent sexism.
Not only are you probably sexist, you don't know how to have a conversation.
The fact that it's twenty-four-fucking-pages and counting is ridiculous.
Too much latent sexism.
Because you're dumb to reality.
So your own words are turned against you, and you decide to change the subject instead of just admitting you were wrong. Got it.
Not only are you probably sexist, you don't know how to have a conversation.
LOL
Yeah I don't know what people are seeing. He is doing the same thing she did, trying to secure a spot at the bar as the other lady moves(notice how she bumped the other lady yet there was no problem) and he just happened to rub against her. I don't know where the fuck the "he forced himself upon her" bullshit is coming from
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Doesn't help when you have a thread full of white knights trying to exclude any actions exhibited by the woman who was clearly the aggressor.
All he was doing was respecting her equality with his fist. Got it.
JustProgress
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This is the funniest thing I have read on this website and deserves more recognition.
Jawbreaker
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After getting some rest and watching the video again (this time full-screen), it's more apparent to me that he was being quite forceful against her back when trying to make space to get into the bar area. You can see him pushing his shoulder into her and leaning in with some pressure using the underside of the table to anchor himself in. She's already in a tight spot against the table and you can see her stomach pushing in and her back arching, then springing back once the pressure is gone after she turns around to complain. As someone who frequents packed shows, it's easy to push up against someone with a lot of pressure when there's little space without it looking like you're trying to ram into them. Applying my own experiences, I can imagine the amount of force being used in this instance and it falls in line with what's in the affidavit.
As I mentioned previously, I'm not entirely absolving her of the threatening motion/reaction as it could have been handled differently for certain, but if we look at why she was upset enough to tell the guy to back off with that gesture, it's more difficult to say she caused the provocation and was the instigator without any further evidence. I think it's fair to complain if someone is applying force against you from behind and isn't letting up. If my analysis and the affidavit are correct and he was intentionally applying force/unwanted contact, would her reaction be one of self-defense? Would it be legally justified in your mind?
As I mentioned previously, I'm not entirely absolving her of the threatening motion/reaction as it could have been handled differently for certain, but if we look at why she was upset enough to tell the guy to back off with that gesture, it's more difficult to say she caused the provocation and was the instigator without any further evidence. I think it's fair to complain if someone is applying force against you from behind and isn't letting up. If my analysis and the affidavit are correct and he was intentionally applying force/unwanted contact, would her reaction be one of self-defense? Would it be legally justified in your mind?
They're the "good guys," remember? Hahaha.
Their valiant keyboard defending of this drunk maiden's honor will be rewarded in Interet Nirvana or something.
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