Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar

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THRILLH0 said:
You: Are men capable of taking harder hits than women?
Me: Yes
You: Irrelevant!
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Is the difference in ability to take a punch something that has an impact in this case?

Me: Relevant!!


Unless you have evidence of what force a male head can handle that a females can't, irrelevant.

And the females skull-force threshholdwouldhave to be under the expected force of a strong punch.
 
The fact that witnesses are saying she used the N word too smh people on GAF really defending this racist idiot. Racists deserve everything coming to them.
 
Nicktals said:
But we know how much damage he did. A black eye, a bruised cheek, and a small cut. That's what I would expect if I did what she did to someone much bigger than I am.
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And both parties are incredibly lucky that's all the damage he did. His response was already way over the top, but it could have been even more so.

We'll just have to agree to disagree I guess when it comes to punching a woman (though I don't totally understand what you're arguing tbh).
 
Icewear Vezzo said:
This entire problem comes from people who think it's okay for a woman to hit a man, because men can easily restrain women most of the time. But no one actually tells these females to stop hitting males, that's the real problem in all of these situations. Like what do you expect when you punch some stranger in the face? Just because he's of the opposite gender he's supposed to walk away from it?

Fuck that.

Why not just go around punching random male strangers since people think that they are untouchable and there's no repercussions.
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You really like your slippery slope shit, huh?
 
Fjordson said:
And both parties are incredibly lucky that's all the damage he did. His response was already way over the top, but it could have been even more so.

We'll just have to agree to disagree I guess when it comes to punching a woman (though I don't totally understand what you're arguing tbh).
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Agreed. His punch could have done more damage...but it didn't...she could have smashed a glass in his face...but she didn't. Instead, she got drunk and kicked and punched someone while drunk at a bar, got punched, and suffered a black eye, bruised cheek, and small cut. (as a result of this, he got kicked off the team. If this had been a drunk man with a lame duck punch, there would be no story. That's sexist.)


I'm arguing that females should be judged by their actions, just as men are. That I shouldn't view females as weak and powerless. That if a female gets in my face, she can absolutely be a very real threat.


EDIT: For ThrillHo, incase ya missed it:
Unless you have evidence of what force a male head can handle that a females can't, irrelevant.

And the females skull-force threshhold would have to be under the expected force of a strong punch.
 
Nicktals said:
Agreed. His punch could have done more damage...but it didn't...she could have smashed a glass in his face...but she didn't. Instead, she got drunk and kicked and punched someone while drunk at a bar, got punched, and suffered a black eye, bruised cheek, and small cut.
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Uh...okay..

Again, really don't know what you're arguing. Just gonna back away slowly.
 
Meanwhile hope solo can do the same even worse and be allowed to go represent her country in the world cup smh
People in this thread are 21st century sheeps. No one should never put their hands on anyone period, unless they want equal treatment.

Your defense can't simply be you're of a different gender, you're still human and have basic understandings of what's right and wrong.
 
THRILLH0 said:
Simple questions. I'm trying to see if you understand that offences can be judged on their potential impact even if that impact isn't realised.
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This isn't potential impact. This is impact. If his ability to punch her dead is speeding 50 into a wall, and his ability to punch her a black eye, bruised cheek, and small cut is speeding 10, we already know what he was doing...The impact happened.

EDIT: In my experience, crimes are typically judged on the impact, not on potential impact...There are exemptions though...which is kinda weird to think about, honestly.

Fjordson said:
Uh...okay..

Again, really don't know what you're arguing. Just gonna back away slowly.
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I'm arguing that there's a double standard in the US's legal system, and it's very sexist in nature.
 
Icewear Vezzo said:
People in this thread are 21st century sheeps. No one should never put their hands on anyone period, unless they want equal treatment.
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I think there are multiple things that are true in this situation.

That woman shouldn't be excused for what she did. If she initiated the fight with any sort of physical contact then that was wrong.

A man socking a woman in the face is also wrong. Yes, even if she started it.

The woman is absolutely not guilt free imo, but that doesn't mean the FSU QB didn't fuck up also.
 
Icewear Vezzo said:
Meanwhile hope solo can do the same even worse and be allowed to go represent her country in the world cup smh
People in this thread are 21st century sheeps. No one should never put their hands on anyone period, unless they want equal treatment.

Your defense can't simply be you're of a different gender, you're still human and have basic understandings of what's right and wrong.
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111.g
 
All I really want is for someone to find ONE example of a court case where a guy, while drunk at a bar, swung at another guy, kicked him in the groin, then had prosecutors behind him when he sued the guy who punched him for giving him a black eye, bruised cheek, and small cut.

And with the exceptionally large sample size of Man V. Man barfights, this must raise a red...or at least a yellow...flag for some people. It definitely does for me. If ability to inflict damage is the deciding factor, then someone unable to walk in a straight line should never be charged...or should be charged....as a woman? That's disgusting to type out. Equal protection under the law.
 
Amjad said:
Wouldn't the true feminist viewpoint be that of course you can hit a women, in defence, if she attacks you ?
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Of course it is.
People claiming otherwise aren't for equal rights and treatment, by definition.

I'm baffled by the number of people not acknowledging this.

Sexism at its finest right there.
 
Such misogynistic views itt.

"Women aren't equal to men, so we shouldn't hit them"

We left those views in the 50's, along with:

"All women belong in the kitchen"
"No woman should ever work"
"Woman should not vote"


It's 2015 man, if one human hits another human, they should expect an equal reaction.
 
Y'all need to check out the panera bread manager punch. Dude needed to be kicked off the team for that punch.

Qb punch was child's play compared to the manager
 
Fuck it just hurts me to know that the guy got kicked off the team.

Another white female ruining another black males life when will this ever stop being a thing?
 
Icewear Vezzo said:
Such misogynistic views itt.

"Women aren't equal to men, so we shouldn't hit them"

We left those views in the 50's, along with:

"All women belong in the kitchen"
"No woman should ever work"
"Woman should not vote"


It's 2015 man, if one human hits another human, they should expect an equal reaction.
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Science is so misogynist guys.
 
Icewear Vezzo said:
Such misogynistic views itt.

"Women aren't equal to men, so we shouldn't hit them"

We left those views in the 50's, along with:

"All women belong in the kitchen"
"No woman should ever work"
"Woman should not vote"


It's 2015 man, if one human hits another human, they should expect an equal reaction.

I left behind labels in 2014 too. We are all humans. Not women. Not men. Not black. Not white.

Human.
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Over simplified a bit. This isn't misogyny.

Women generally aren't physically equal to men in strength, its science. This isn't a misogynistic point of view, but its interesting to see that you've continued you binary discussion of extremes.

Women have less muscle mass and less strength than men. Generally they aren't threats to the safety of males. Its the same reason you don't punch children or the elderly. Generally, you're physically stronger. Its not because you're being paternal, or ageist. Its because you can do more to control the situation. You hold the keys to the options. Not the weaker subject.

I don't feel threatened by it, not after getting hit or kicked in the balls. Nor do I have to ensure they don't "get away" with it. She should be charged, as she is equally involved in this altercation.

But this thread has shown me that a lot of you are threatened by women, in this identical scenario. Mainly your ego, as well as your physical safety.


Icewear Vezzo said:
Fuck it just hurts me to know that the guy got kicked off the team.

Another white female ruining another black males life when will this ever stop being a thing?
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Wait..

whuuut..?
 
The patriarchy at work - perpetuating the false belief that women are weak, fragile, and inferior to men in all cases, then claiming their subjugation is for their own good.

I'd personally like to see some of you dare call some of my female teammates intrinsically and irredeemably weak by default to their face... you'd certainly regret it.
 
THRILLH0 said:
Science is so misogynist guys.
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Relevant range, man. Women can be strong enough to inflict very real physical damage. Men can be strong enough to inflict very real physical damage.

That girl took the punch, stayed standing, and suffered a black eye, bruised cheek, and small cut (exactly what one should expect when kicking someone in the groin and swinging at them.). Either his ability to punch is less than we thought, he held back, or luck was on his side.
 
Icewear Vezzo said:
Such misogynistic views itt.

"Women aren't equal to men, so we shouldn't hit them"

We left those views in the 50's, along with:

"All women belong in the kitchen"
"No woman should ever work"
"Woman should not vote"


It's 2015 man, if one human hits another human, they should expect an equal reaction.
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Acknowledging that there's a physical difference between a man and a woman isn't misogyny. It's just the way it is.
 
NSQuote said:
The patriarchy at work - perpetuating the false belief that women are weak, fragile, and inferior to men in all cases, then claiming their subjugation is for their own good.

I'd personally like to see some of you dare call some of my female teammates intrinsically and irredeemably weak by default to their face... you'd certainly regret it.
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Yup. There are very very strong females in this world. And they *gasp* look normal!
 
blurrygil said:
Regardless of the circumstances of her actions or what she may have said to him, he should have never hit her like that...full stop.

Dude deserves everything he's gotten and more.
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Ah yes, the blank check granted to women to absolve them of any stupid shitty thing they may say or do.

I can only imagine where the provocation culture comes from!
 
commedieu said:
Over simplified a bit. This isn't misogyny.

Women generally aren't physically equal to men in strength, its science. This isn't a misogynistic point of view, but its interesting to see that you've continued you binary discussion of extremes.

Women have less muscle mass and less strength than men. Generally they aren't threats to the safety of males. Its the same reason you don't punch children or the elderly. Generally, you're physically stronger. Its not because you're being paternal, or ageist. Its because you can do more to control the situation. You hold the keys to the options. Not the weaker subject.

I don't feel threatened by it, not after getting hit or kicked in the balls. Nor do I have to ensure they don't "get away" with it. She should be charged, as she is equally involved in this altercation.

But this thread has shown me that a lot of you are threatened by women. Mainly your ego, as well as your physical safety.




Wait..

whuuut..?
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"Generally"

Which doesn't make it impossible and if thats the case then why do females hit males unprovoked. She's am adult not a child. A child can't tell right from wrong,an adult can.

Some females I know can beat up guys. If a woman wanted to be stronger than the average male it's attainable. If they don't want to get hit by a male then they shouldn't hit males period.


Also yes, white woman have a knack for picking on black athletes and trying to ruin them in particular. See Kobe Bryant/Winston/Iverson
 
Fsu acted too hastily and now will get sued of his assault case is dismissed

While I wouldn't hit a woman, in court IMO this should be viewed as two drunk people are in a bar.Person B tries to prevent A feom physically assaulting him. Person A punches and knees person B first. Person B retaliated with a punch. I don't think gender should be a factor in this instance
 
RSTEIN said:
Survival instinct? Is my life in danger?
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It could be. Do people casually forget that there's a women's division in the UFC? They can break bones and shit just like guys. They aren't all delicate flowers with the strength of a child. Not sure what I would've done, but people have different tolerance levels and sometimes only know how to settle violence with violence.
 
Nicktals said:
This isn't potential impact. This is impact. If his ability to punch her dead is speeding 50 into a wall, and his ability to punch her a black eye, bruised cheek, and small cut is speeding 10, we already know what he was doing...The impact happened.

EDIT: In my experience, crimes are typically judged on the impact, not on potential impact...There are exemptions though...which is kinda weird to think about, honestly.



I'm arguing that there's a double standard in the US's legal system, and it's very sexist in nature.
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I think in this case "potential impact" can apply, though I have been known to be a particularly nervous person about any kind of head blow, haha.
 
NSQuote said:
The patriarchy at work - perpetuating the false belief that women are weak, fragile, and inferior to men in all cases, then claiming their subjugation is for their own good.

I'd personally like to see some of you dare call some of my female teammates intrinsically and irredeemably weak by default to their face... you'd certainly regret it.
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I don't get a post like this, as the male counterparts of the sport would probably be physically stronger, as they are males, and for human beings, males have more muscle mass.

Why do we have to go to the opposite end of a spectrum where now some little\average sized man is calling your professional\active\trained female teammates weak by default? Women are, by default. When it comes to strength behind a punch.

Rhonda Rousey would kick my ass. I'm 6'1 190. But I'd be willing to bet her training would run circles around me, and I haven't thrown a punch in ages. If I trained though, and was in whatever weight class she was in? I'd more than likely have a genetic advantage that wouldn't make it a fair competition.

Saying I don't punch women, isn't saying that "ALL WOMEN ARE LITERALLY WEAK BEINGS HAHAHA!" its absurd that this thread has spiraled to that point. Hell I even got shit for saying throw a drink in someones face instead of a punch, in this identical situation. This thread is fucking my mind.

Icewear Vezzo said:
"Generally"

Which doesn't make it impossible and if thats the case then why do females hit males unprovoked. She's am adult not a child. A child can't tell right from wrong,an adult can.

Some females I know can beat up guys. If a woman wanted to be stronger than the average male it's attainable. If they don't want to get hit by a male then they shouldn't hit males period.


Also yes, white woman have a knack for picking on black athletes and trying to ruin them in particular. See Kobe Bryant/Winston/Iverson
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Who discussed whether or not it was impossible? Stop moving goal posts.

Your post was about how science is misogynistic. Women, generally, are weaker than men. Physically.

In this identical situation, there's no reason to punch her. She should catch some sort of charge, or whatever is applicable.
 
Fjordson said:
Acknowledging that there's a physical difference between a man and a woman isn't misogyny. It's just the way it is.
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Generally, men are stronger than women. Generally, black people like watermelon (but let's be real who doesn't...). Let's not speak in generalities. Whenever you do so you're giving the middle finger to those who don't fit your preconceived mold.

EDIT: Yes, most men can cause more harm with the average punch than most women can cause with the average punch...You want to know the big freaking caveat?


Most people don't punch each other.
 
I'm convinced much of the motivation for some of those arguing here is really a desire to see what they consider appropriate punishment dolled out by private citizens.

I think it's obvious to everyone his punch was motivated by anger, not fear. He didn't feel like he was in danger and he wasn't scared, but he was very mad.

I'm certain that many look at the situation and think she should be punished for what she did. They justify force by calling it self defense, when in reality it's really their desire to allow for the punishment they believe is just. This is clear when you see some argue that to not hit her back would be to "let her get away with it" or similar absurd statements that arguing he shouldn't have done it really means we believe a woman should be able to beat a man whenever she wants and no one can stop her. They don't want this person to go unpunished, so it's his right to do it himself.
 
Fjordson said:
Acknowledging that there's a physical difference between a man and a woman isn't misogyny. It's just the way it is.
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There's nothing wrong with acknowledging the physical differences between the average man and the average woman. The problem comes when you use that difference to make the false (and rather sexist) claim that women are incapable of harming or being threatening to men.
 
Nicktals said:
Yup. There are very very strong females in this world. And they *gasp* look normal!
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And as a fly weight competitor, I know from experience size isn't everything when it comes to fighting.

Also lmao at "generally" stronger, yeah only because society tells women they are inherently weaker, which causes many women are discouraged from combative sports and heavy training before they even begin.
 
commedieu said:
Saying I don't punch women, isn't saying that "ALL WOMEN ARE LITERALLY WEAK BEINGS HAHAHA!" its absurd that this thread has spiraled to that point.
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Yeah, I don't get how saying punching a woman is wrong or noting the physical difference between the average man and the average woman immediately escalates to that extreme.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
I think in this case "potential impact" can apply, though I have been known to be a particularly nervous person about any kind of head blow, haha.
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Yeah, and this is something I've been thinking about. Either you have to judge him on the potential impact (assault with a deadly weapon), or you have to judge him on the impact (black eye to someone who instigated.)
 
Fjordson said:
Yeah, I don't get how saying punching a woman is wrong or noting the physical difference between the average man and the average woman immediately escalates to that extreme.
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Because punching a man is wrong. And your general physical difference is the exact same thing as a stereotype. We shouldn't allow those to be a part of our laws.
 
I used to think misandry was just a word used by would be bigots but I can't think of any other word to describe many of the reactions I've seen here.

I can't in good conscious say the young man was wrong in what he did. The only reason I wouldn't do the same is because I've seen my uncle go to prison without hitting his girlfriend. As a large black man it turns out that generally even restraining a woman who is wailing on you still leaves you at fault. So I know how the bias against large black dudes is gonna go down in that situation.
 
Well this thread is exactly what I expected. It being a fight involving a male and female on top of GAF's normal ridiculously high bar for what warrants/is self defense is a pretty nice recipe for a bunch of nonsense.

I am not going to get into who is more responsible for that fight, but the way I see it charging him and not her(as well or instead) seems very wrong to me. Especially since most of the arguments in this thread for why he clearly is the bad guy here boils down to either "he is bigger" or worse "she's a woman". Which the way a see it is pretty much giving a massive chunk of the population a free pass here.
 
NSQuote said:
And as a fly weight competitor, I know from experience size isn't everything when it comes to fighting.

Also lmao at "generally" stronger, yeah only because society tells women they are inherently weaker, which causes many women are discouraged from combative sports and heavy training before they even begin.
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Seriously. What sport?

Anyone can kill someone with a punch. It's why you shouldn't punch people. But in the US, and especially in bars, "who swung first" typically is the law of the land.

commedieu said:
are there differences in the laws for hitting women vs men..?
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(you tell me...something I've been hoping someone could find ONE example of, in the history of bar brawls with a man and another man....)

I wonder if anyone is looking for that one magical case of a guy who won a lawsuit against another guy eventhough he got drunk, kneed a groin, took a swing, and then walked away with a black eye.



EDIT: To answer directly though, there are no differences in the books. It's more a result of societal sexism.
 
Almighty said:
Well this thread is exactly what I expected. It being a fight involving a male and female on top of GAF's normal ridiculously high bar for what warrants/is self defense is a pretty nice recipe for a bunch of nonsense.

I am not going to get into who is more responsible for that fight, but the way I see it charging him and not her(as well or instead) seems very wrong to me. Especially since most of the arguments in this thread for why he clearly is the bad guy here boils down to either "he is bigger" or worse "she's a woman". Which the way a see it is pretty much giving a massive chunk of the population a free pass here.
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I haven't seen anyone explicitly say that it's acceptable that she is not charged while he is charged. I've seen the argument that neither should be charged.
 
NSQuote said:
And as a fly weight competitor, I know from experience size isn't everything when it comes to fighting.

Also lmao at "generally" stronger, yeah only because society tells women they are inherently weaker, which causes many women are discouraged from combative sports and heavy training before they even begin.
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Testosterone

who is going to be stronger, you or you on steroids?

The girl in the video isnt capable of seriously injuring the man with her fists but the guy is capable of murdering her
 
Lovely Salsa said:
Testosterone

who is going to be stronger, you or you on steroids?

The girl in the video isnt capable of seriously injuring the man with her fists but the guy is capable of murdering her
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How do you know what she's capable of?

EDIT: Have you gotten the test results from their testosterone tests yet?

She swung first, got punched, walked away with a black eye. How is this so difficult....(the answer is sexism).
 
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