While I don't hit women and have not hit a woman when I have been hit by one, except my sister when I was a kid, I don't feel sorry for women in these kind of scenarios. Everyone keep your hands to yourself. If you swing first especially in situations like these its your fault for what happens to you. If you are a woman you arent too dumb to realize you shouldn't be attacking someone who is bigger and stronger than you
Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar
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None of that has happened. None of it.
What false equivalency can you quote of mine?
You're asking me to prove something that has never happened has never happened. How do you expect me to do that?
EDIT: I can't prove to you that there's never been a flying lizard with a giant knapsack and a tiny unicorn in it, who belches the songs of celtic evangelists. It's never happened, but there's no way I can prove that. Doesn't it make more sense to try and find ONE example of a criminal or civil case like the one I described?
And I've been trying too...but I've come up empty so far.
EDIT 2: You have yet to prove any of what you said about how a females body is actually less capable of taking a punch than a males. A thick skull would play no role in the ability to take a punch, unless the punch is capable of piercing or shattering the skull, right? At least prove any of what you're saying. Like, I know the science...but those are averages. You have to be mindful of the exceptions. It's the entire reason you're not supposed to stereotype.
So if she is just breaking bones if your body with a bat then you still can't hit her?
This is a case of TWO humans assaulting each other. Yet only ONE is arrested.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Did you actually watch the video? He wasn't pushing his way through. At most it was casual physical contact (the type you'd expect in a public space with lots of people) and if anything her left shoulder bumped back into his chest before she turns around to face him aggressively.
The insane part is people trying to make it seem like he chest-bumped her from behind. But hey, "Aggressive Bar Step" and all that nonsense.
LizardKing
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What if the woman here was a 150lb guy and the guy here was a 250lb guy? Surely we then have to take into account the individuals if we are assigning responsibility to strength. Person A was a woman weightlifter and person b was a 150lb male scrawny dude? You can't just say in general one gender is stronger than others so it applies to every case between genders. I can't believe you don't realize how ridiculous that sounds.
And yes, I accept men shouldn't hit women. I also accept women shouldn't hit men. And men shouldn't hit men. And women shouldn't hit women. And assigning blame or fault has NOTHING to do with their gender.
Paracelsus
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There's no "what if", regardless of gender don't go around challenging people bigger and stronger than you unless you have absolutely no choice or you're looking to get your brain scrambled.
Isn't that sexist/discriminatory in itself, the fact someone weaker taunts you because they expect you to not hit back?
Dude Abides
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He's bumping her with his right shoulder, she bumps back with her left, then he shoves her out of the way with his right hand just before she turns around with her mighty fist of Thor ready to strike him down. It's pretty clear.
Retromelon
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My previous statement amended to include grievous bodily harm* (couldnt you just infer that)
God I hope you're on my side here. "It's been conclusively proven" got me good.
What if it's a well trained woman fighter, and a scrawny, untrained 18 year old?
Vermillion
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Fourth Stooge
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I watched the video. She didn't push herself against the bar. When she turned around, she didn't push herself to the right. That was him both times. I doubt he's that clumsy.
The way some of you are going on about this vicious succubus, Jimbo Fisher had better hurry up and give her a scholarship. The Feats of Strength she's capable of will surely make her a football legend. The body-checking, shoving, choking, forearm throwing...it's quite a crime spree she was on.
Dude, stop. Men are stronger. It is a fact. This QB is undeniably stronger than the woman.
If you're trolling, well played.
All men are stronger than all women?
Retromelon
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Looking for an argument m8? Getting beat up falls under the umbrella of grievous bodily harm. Gonna have to find someone else for that.
Vermillion
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The odds that a randomly selected man will be stronger than a randomly selected woman are pretty good.
No troll. I haven't seen any links, and I'm still searching for anything close to a man kicking a groin, swinging, and then being sued after he punches the person who kicked and swung. Nothing close.
Paracelsus
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By your logic the woman to the left should rip his head off. He wants that empty spot to the right, blonde cuts back in, immediately gets in his face probably telling him she's waiting for an order so he has to back off, he doesn't care and slowly pushes the woman holding a drink to the left away to make his way to the left spot, the blonde feels he's getting there but she wants nothing of it, she tries to block with her body, is unable to, that's when it gets heated. That's it.
I would love to see gaf watch silent films with no subtitles, what a trainwreck it would be.
And the odds that a white cop can convict a young black man are pretty good too.
What's your point? How much of our mind share should we base on averages based on race and sex, and how much should we base on the actual person?
EDIT: Our flawed pattern recognition is what leads to all types of discrimination. Bucking that instinct to create an image of an individual based on characteristics they have no control over is the definition of racism, and sexism.
Naw, man, you're not getting me again.
Vermillion
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That's not a comparable example.
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Christopher
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Get your drink ready
Dude Abides
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Most of this nonsense has nothing to do with what I said, but you can clearly see him push her with his right hand. It has a white band on it.
Can you answer the question? How much of my mindshare should I dictate to patterns that I can recognize based on race and sex?
And should everyone do this?
LizardKing
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This argument is so ridiculous and really so far off topic. It is a line of logic that is attempting to deflect the argument from the real issue and that people in support of treating the sexes different by law are using to "win" their argument, not because it makes any sense. There is no precedent in any law, that uses the principal of generalities to determine the guilt of two individuals.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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You call rubbing into someone as you're trying to get to a location a bump? Even so, an intentional bump? Her bump was definitely intentional and meant to be aggressive; his was a nevermind.
I mean, you see the space. It's small. Looks easy to bump into other people accidentally, which was the case with him.
...Seriously?
Fuck, it isn't bad enough he's ruined his college football career, now he has to get a bullshit charge over something thousands of college students across the country do every day without seeing repercussions?
Hmm,...gee....I wonder what's different about this fella versus those other college kids that makes people want to see him charged for something those other kids do all the time. I'm just curious....
Wrong part; I'm talking when he's approaching the bar. You can clearly see him just grazing by (something you'd expect in that small a space), and her left arm pushes aggressively into his right. Then he moves more to his left (something something, momentum and gravity, something) and she turns around to face him in a more confrontational manner.
Before all of that he wasn't even giving her an eye, just trying to get close to the barkeep to put in an order.
And hey, maybe she is the athletic sort, who knows (although by GAF rationale women are weak 70-year-old children so that's impossible).
Reizo Ryuu
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To me it seems like he's just trying to take the spot of the woman that's leaving the bar, and doing so he's making some slight contact with the girl.
If you look closely you can actually see her pushing out with her hips against his forearm, before she turns around and flips out.
Actually you don't even have to look closely, it's clear as day she's pushing hard against him.
Prove that they're not.
Oh and by the way, all objective, scientific and anecdotal data are irrelevant.
Your move.
Vermillion
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You're conflating biological truths and socialization. Until you stop doing so, we really can't go anywhere.
I'm really just responding to the other dude. But law or no, the more defenseless a person is is the iffier it is to attack them. Speaking broadly.
Mammoth Jones
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Shit No one should be starting shit. I've had dudes spill drinks on me and shove me. Just laugh it off and walk away.
Christ people should be taught conflict de-escalation in schools.
LizardKing
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It really just looks like a crowded ass crowded bar with people bumping into each other incidentally.
You haven't quoted anything. But I agree with you that certain subgroups typically have certain qualities or traits. Never denied that. What I'm trying to deny is your insistence that you can reach a decent conclusion that works for the WHOLE of that group based on averages. You're trying your damnedest to defend stereotyping though, I'll give you that.
And again, who is stronger is irrelevant...Whether they're capable of harm is all that's relevant.
dripdripsplash
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Look I'm really, really down with the feminist cause.
This debate is really the thing that gets me most confused though.
Could someone who wholeheartedly argues for that a man shouldn't hit a woman and also is a feminist please explain the perspective of that argument.
I really don't get it.
This debate is really the thing that gets me most confused though.
Could someone who wholeheartedly argues for that a man shouldn't hit a woman and also is a feminist please explain the perspective of that argument.
I really don't get it.
Apparently so, and that man's life must be in danger.
No, you, and people who are defending basing judgment of the whole based on averages are the ones conflating biological truths and socialization.
Dude Abides
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I'm glad you can read minds but the point isn't really the bumping it's the blatant shove after he moves into the space.
After he shoves her with his right arm.
Retromelon
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There is clearly a great disparity in force between her and he. I hope you aren't saying he was justified.
Oh he should get special treatment because he a FSU football player? LOL
You think no college kids that get in a fight get charged if they are under age? LOL Yeah okayyyy.
Kid will be pick up by another school. No doubt about it. Ruined his college football career LOL
It took me seeing someone getting killed to realize it's rarely worth fighting.
No man would be charged after kicking another man in the groin and throwing a lame punch. You would expect a black eye.
LizardKing
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It's mostly well meaning people who have been brainwashed to "never" hit a woman, which in turn was based on the idea that women are dainty, passive, weak and docile. Mostly true more than 30 years ago in affluent neighborhoods where the only incident of hitting a woman was domestic abuse. Thus the "principal" has been handed down and distorted from tacitly meaning "do not beat your wife/girlfriend", to "accept any shit she can throw at you and take it like a man."
dripdripsplash
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So because of this disparity a man should never hit a woman?
Even if the woman hits the man first?
now you are getting it. You are allow to "push" but not hard enough to knock her down.
maybe on your planet but it doesnt work that way on earth.
Don't ask that...Ask if the same disparity existed between one woman and another, or one man and another, or one woman against a man...People need to portray women as weak so they can feel able to save them. Most women I know don't need, or want, your help.
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