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[Dude Abides]

Did you just choose not to look at the gif? she turns around even before his arm has a chance to move, she only gets pushed backwards because his arm is still making contact with her hip when turns towards her when she gets in his face.

And what theory? It's clear as fucking day she's pushing hard against him, look at how far out her hip is going to the left dude, she even repositions her elbows to get more leverage for pushing.
I'm just going to assume you are being purposefully dense if you can't see that.

"Purposefully dense" is a bit rich coming from someone who has difficulty distinguishing backwards from forwards.

I ready said what I think of your theory that pushing against someone with your (stationary) hips makes it ok for them to shove you with their (non-stationary) arm.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

(stationary) hips

"stationary".

 

[Vermillion]

Keep searching. My entire point through all of this, as repeated over 20 times now, is that it's not okay to make judgements about the whole of a group based on averages. Whether biological or social. That's stereotyping defined.

I asked someone who created a bullshit top 10 list without actually saying anything, or ever providing any proof of anything he's said, to prove his points that men can hit harder than women, and that women have skeletal musculature that would make them more vulnerable to punches.

He said men had thicker skulls, and that that was important to this discussion.

EDIT: Why do you think I asked the question of "are all men stronger than all women"? I asked it to hopefully illuminate that anytime you stereotype you're shortchanging those who don't fit that mold.

Oy. Why would he need to prove that men can hit harder than women if you know that men are stronger than women?

Look. We make biological generalizations all the time, because there are biological differences between men and women. In this case, we are only comparing the biological as opposed to the social (so we avoid any transsexual). A person that is biologically male will usually be stronger than someone that is biologically female. This is something that occurs as a result of nature. The development of men and women is predictable.

Social factors are much more complex, requiring an account for the environment AND the biological/physical aspects of a person, among a wide variety of other factors, including the person's ability to choose what they will do.

As a result, you cannot compare scientifically sound generalizations to social generalizations.

 

[BobLoblaw]

I like how people are overlooking the fact that she pushed her way to the counter first. The guy asked the other woman if he could get by and she conveniently moved for him, but as soon as he tried to get a spot, the white woman shifted over to block him, pushed backwards as soon as he tried to get the spot, and then the altercation began. She was being a prick on purpose.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

I like how people are overlooking the fact that she pushed her way to the counter first. The guy asked the other woman if he could get by and she conveniently moved for him, but as soon as he tried to get a spot, the white woman shifted over to block him, pushed backwards as soon as he tried to get the spot, and then the altercation began. She was being a prick on purpose.

Yep, but according to some dudes here, she was just minding her business and then she got "shoved".

 

[Nicktals]

Oy. Why would he need to prove that men can hit harder than women if you know that men are stronger than women?

Look. We make biological generalizations all the time, because there are biological differences between men and women. In this case, we are only comparing the biological as opposed to the social (so we avoid any transsexual). A person that is biologically male will usually be stronger than someone that is biologically female. This is something that occurs as a result of nature. The development of men and women is predictable.

Social factors are much more complex, requiring an account for the environment AND the biological/physical aspects of a person, among a wide variety of other factors, including the person's ability to choose what they will do.

As a result, you cannot compare scientifically sound generalizations to social generalizations.

lol...You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? If you think biological generalizations, and the reasons for those differences, and the impact those generalizations have on society are simple, or predictable. Well, you're wrong. Chicken and the egg, and that sort of thing.


We make generalizations, stereotypes, because our brains recognize patterns. Period. Applying the patterns that fit some or most of a group to everyone in the group is stereotyping. You realize this, right?

EDIT: Scientifically sound generalizations? What in the world man. Stereotypes are stereotypes because they can, or used to, apply to a majority of a race, or sex, but not to all. How can you say you're not being sexist against women who are much stronger and skilled at fighting than you, a biologically superior male?

EDIT 2: Still waiting for the quotes, or the apology. I don't like being misrepresented.

EDIT 3: And I asked him to prove that men can punch harder on average just so he'd get a feel for some nuance in the discussion. Point 3 was the one I really wanted answered. Strength or musculature isn't equal to the ability to punch, which is mostly technique, and correctly leveraging your weight. Same reason any woman who has played golf for a year can hit a ball further than a man who hasn't golfed.

 

[Retromelon]

To the people thinking it's ok for a woman to hit a man why do you think that. Are women to stupid to asses a situation? Are they too emotional to be held responsible for not checking their emotions?

Can you quote somebody saying that because idk who would endorce the initiation of violence of any sort

 

[Vermillion]

lol...You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? If you think biological generalizations, and the reasons for those differences, and the impact those generalizations have on society are simple, or predictable. Well, you're wrong.


We make generalizations, stereotypes, because our brains recognize patterns. Period. Applying the patterns that fit some or most of a group to everyone in the group is stereotyping. You realize this, right?

Biology is predictive. Science in general is predictive. Sociology is not.

See the bolded? That's the point where you crossed the line from biology to sociology. It's something you haven't gotten this entire discussion. Let me put it as clearly as possible:

Biological generalizations are a part of science. Science is predictive. It is based on what is testable, and what can be repeated. Bones and muscles form in a particular way at a particular stage. We know this. This is fact.

EDIT:

Perhaps my observation is better phrased as "you believed the idea that men are stronger than women was an inappropriate generalization, likening it to racism and sexism."

You literally quoted me saying that I could have phrased it better. The point is the same.

 

[Beerman462]

Just my own opinion after watching the video.

They were jockeying for position at the bar and she "won". When she "won" she commented to him in some fashion. As he tried to pull himself into position she hip blocked him and he forced his way in. She put her fist up, but judging by her expression was doing it jokingly or at least was half hearted. When he grabbed her fist and shoved it into her throat she got serious and brought her knee up to try and gain separation. She then threw a punch that either completely missed or barely glanced off him. He then threw a connecting hit that staggered her. Then he left.

In my opinion they are both assholes, but he escalated the violence past a reasonable amount.

 

[Nicktals]

Biology is predictive. Science in general is predictive. Sociology is not.

See the bolded? That's the point where you crossed the line from biology to sociology. It's something you haven't gotten this entire discussion. Let me put it as clearly as possible:

Biological generalizations are a part of science. Science is predictive. It is based on what is testable, and what can be repeated. Bones and muscles form in a particular way at a particular stage. We know this. This is fact.

Wait wait wait....give me a minute. So you're saying that it's okay to stereotype, and apply averages to individuals if it's something science can predict?

 

[Dude Abides]

"stationary".

Oh sorry. Her hips did move several inches. Clearly he's justified putting his hand on her.

 

[BobLoblaw]

Just my own opinion after watching the video.

They were jockeying for position at the bar and she "won". When she "won" she commented to him in some fashion. As he tried to pull himself into position she hip blocked him and he forced his way in. She put her fist up, but judging by her expression was doing it jokingly or at least was half hearted. When he grabbed her fist and shoved it into her throat she got serious and brought her knee up to try and gain separation. She then threw a punch that either completely missed or barely glanced off him. He then threw a connecting hit that staggered her. Then he left.

In my opinion they are both assholes, but he escalated the violence past a reasonable amount.

Yeah. I put one arm across someone's throat/chest and have the other cocked back when I'm joking all the time.

 

[Vermillion]

Wait wait wait....give me a minute. So you're saying that it's okay to stereotype, and apply averages to individuals if it's something science can predict?

Stereotyping is unscientific by nature. You still don't seem to get this.

All black people look like X is a stereotype.

Black people have more melanin is not.

Women are bad at math is a stereotype.

Women have more estrogen is not.

 

[Nicktals]

Oh sorry. Her hips did move several inches. Clearly he's justified putting his hand on her.

What? His hand never touches her until she raises a fist and puts her left arm against his chest/neck.

 

[Beerman462]

Yeah. I put one arm across someone's throat/chest and have the other cocked back when I'm joking all the time.

Try looking at her facial expression. It was game to her until he got physical.

 

[Nicktals]

Stereotyping is unscientific by nature. You still don't seem to get this.

All black people look like X is a stereotype.

Black people have more melanin is not.

Women are bad at math is a stereotype.

Women have more estrogen is not.

And, in the case of ability to punch, you think

A.) that it's purely biological, and that training and technique don't trump estrogen keeping women weak, or something...

B.) That, because of these scientific truths, women are not capable of doing physical harm?

Because that's really just bringing it back to what I talked about like 12 hours ago.

 

[Dude Abides]

What? His hand never touches her until she raises a fist and puts her left arm against his chest/neck.

I've been over this for a page with that other guy before he finally acknowledged the shove (and then misrepresented the conversation for internet cred i guess). I'm not going to explain it for several more posts to you, especially since your seem to like to call for bannings.

 

[Mory Dunz]

Does a woman need to be as strong as a man in order to cause that man harm?

.

Try looking at her facial expression. It was game to her until he got physical.

...what?
Where are you getting this.

From this blurry picture, she has an arm raised, is making direct eye contact, and her mouth appears to be open. Maybe as if she she's speaking.

 

[BobLoblaw]

Try looking at her facial expression.

The hell? You can't tell shit from that angle. She intentionally tried to block him, threatened to hit him, called him the n-word, and ultimately got hit back. You're trying too hard. Yes, they both are idiots, but saying he escalated anything is bullshit. If she kept her hands to herself, didn't try to block him, or start yelling at a complete stranger, this incident wouldn't have happened. She had several opportunities to just let it go and at every turn she decided not to. Have you ever raised a fist at a complete stranger while putting your other on them? I'm gonna guess no.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Oh sorry. Her hips did move several inches. Clearly he's justified putting his hand on her.

Keep on backpadeling.

 

[Nicktals]

I've been over this for a page with that other guy before he finally acknowledged the shove. I'm not going to explain it for several more posts to you, especially since your seem to like to call for bannings.

I've had 3 pages of frame by frame discussion about 12 hours ago. Did his shove come across as threatening, or an attempt to do harm? If she had been a male, would the clenched fist, the leg to the groin, and the punch come across as threatening?

I call for bannings when people very knowlingly misrepresent me. I very explicitly said the exact opposite of what he represented I said. I agree that there are many differences intrinsic to different groups of people. Those differences don't necessarily apply to everyone in that whole group equally, or at all, and using those preconceived ideas to form opinions of an individual instead of getting to know them is...not a good practice.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

I've had 3 pages of frame by frame discussion about 12 hours ago. Did his shove come across as threatening, or an attempt to do harm? If she had been a male, would the clenched fist, the leg to the groin, and the punch come across as threatening?

Don't bother, the dude seems to be fixated on "the shove" rather than literally everything that leads up to it.
She was being a huge dick and he just refuses to see it.

 

[Beerman462]

The hell? You can't tell shit from that angle. She intentionally tried to block him, threatened to hit him, called him the n-word, and ultimately got hit back. You're trying too hard. Yes, they both are idiots, but saying he escalated anything is bullshit. If she kept her hands to herself, didn't try to block him, or start yelling at a complete stranger, this incident wouldn't have happened. She had several opportunities to just let it go and at every turn she decided not to.

Seriously? She raises her fist, but the look on her face to me is pure posturing. She doesn't get aggravated in my eyes until he grabs her hand and shoves it back into her. That's when she raises her knee to create separation. She then throws a weak punch that he easily dodges.

N-word at this point and time is 1. Unproven and 2. Not an excuse.

 

[Frog-fu]

Try looking at her facial expression. It was game to her until he got physical.

I wonder, what game would involve calling a stranger a racial slur?

 

[Dude Abides]

Keep on backpadeling.

Admitting when you're wrong is what grownups do. You should try it.

I've had 3 pages of frame by frame discussion about 12 hours ago. Did his shove come across as threatening, or an attempt to do harm? If she had been a male, would the clenched fist, the leg to the groin, and the punch come across as threatening?

I call for bannings when people very knowlingly misrepresent me. I very explicitly said the exact opposite of what he represented I said. I agree that there are many differences intrinsic to different groups of people. Those differences don't necessarily apply to everyone in that whole group equally, or at all, and using those preconceived ideas to form opinions of an individual instead of getting to know them is...not a good practice.

Like I said I already pointed out where the shove occurred. Even angry dishonest Reizo guy there is no longer fighting that battle. I'm not interested in getting into a bunch of gender wars stuff. I'm sure you can find someone else to continue that particular thread of discussion.

 

[Nicktals]

Like I said I already pointed out where the shove occurred. Even angry dishonest Reizo guy there is no longer fighting that battle. I'm not interested in getting into a bunch of gender wars stuff. I'm sure you can find someone else to continue that particular thread of discussion.

I'm sure you can to. I don't know what you're portraying me as, or why you didn't answer the question...If that had been a male, do you think that shove would be seen as threatening in a crowded bar scene? Was it directed, was it purposeful, was it meant for her? A clenched fist and a forearm is pretty obvious...this shove isn't, I think is the point.

 

[Frog-fu]

Seriously? She raises her fist, but the look on her face to me is pure posturing. She doesn't get aggravated in my eyes until he grabs her hand and shoves it back into her. That's when she raises her knee to create separation. She then throws a weak punch that he easily dodges.

The QB restrained her fist so she couldn't hit him, not to "shove it back into her." He was already defending himself at that point.

Nice attempt on spinning the knee to the groin into something else, but people tend to push or shove when they want to "create separation." They don't go for the gonads unless it's a fight, which this was, instigated by the belligerent racist you and so many others are rushing to defend because she's a woman.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Admitting when you're wrong is what grownups do. You should try it.

Good thing I was never wrong and was never "fighting" that "battle" (lmao).
You've clearly forgotten my post was about her behavior before she turns around:

If you look closely you can actually see her pushing out with her hips against his forearm, before she turns around and flips out.

Actually you don't even have to look closely, it's clear as day she's pushing hard against him.

Then you replied with something that happens after that, but sure, I'm "dishonest".
Good job on pulling me into a debate I wasn't even having in the first place dude.

 

[Mory Dunz]

Seriously? She raises her fist, but the look on her face to me is pure posturing. She doesn't get aggravated in my eyes until he grabs her hand and shoves it back into her. That's when she raises her knee to create separation. She then throws a weak punch that he easily dodges.

N-word at this point and time is 1. Unproven and 2. Not an excuse.

So are you two related by blood.....or just close friends?


jk, but dang you're spinning here.

 

[Vermillion]

And, in the case of ability to punch, you think

A.) that it's purely biological, and that training and technique don't trump estrogen keeping women weak, or something...

B.) That, because of these scientific truths, women are not capable of doing physical harm?

Because that's really just bringing it back to what I talked about like 12 hours ago.

Have you watched both the male and female version of a sport? Observed the differences?

Here's the thing - a guy trained to the same level as a woman will usually beat out the woman. Taught the same moves, the same strategies. Honestly, even if the guy is trained worse, it's reasonable that speed and strength will keep the guy competitive.

Completely untrained man versus a woman that is a master? Probably won't stand a chance. But that's an outlier. In fact, I find it interesting that you mention training, since this situation involves a male athlete and a regular woman. He's even stronger than a random guy would be, capable of dealing more damage.

As I said to the other guy (since this is the path you want to go down), law or no, you should not hit someone significantly weaker than you are. That is exactly what this case is. This woman was unlikely to cause any serious harm.

I'm not defending her - I've said she shouldn't have done what she did. All the same, he should not have hit her. Do you disagree? If so, why?

 

[Beerman462]

The QB restrained her fist so she couldn't hit him, not to "shove it back into her." He was already defending himself at that point.

Nice attempt on spinning the knee to the groin into something else, but people tend to push or shove when they want to "create separation." They don't go for the gonads unless it's a fight, which this was, instigated by the belligerent racist you and so many others are rushing to defend because she's a woman.

Racist is speculative.
When your hands are restrained and you're pushed backwards your leg coming up is automatic or have you never been in a physical controntation?

So are you two related by blood.....or just close friends?


jk, but dang you're spinning here.

I'm just interpreting the video as I see it. Nothing more.

 

[Atenhaus]

How the flying fuck did this trainwreck of a thread get to nearly 2000 posts?

 

[KHarvey16]

How the flying fuck did this trainwreck of a thread get to nearly 2000 posts?

People love to justify indulging their vengeance fetish.

 

[Beerman462]

People love to justify indulging their vengeance fetish.

This in a nutshell.

 

[Vermillion]

How the flying fuck did this trainwreck of a thread get to nearly 2000 posts?

Same way the last thread about a guy hitting a woman got so many posts.

Some people say not letting the guy hit the woman aggressor is positive sexism, some people think all violence is bad, etc. Makes for fun discussion.

 

[Nicktals]

Have you watched both the male and female version of a sport? Observed the differences?

Here's the thing - a guy trained to the same level as a woman will usually beat out the woman. Taught the same moves, the same strategies. Honestly, even if the guy is trained worse, it's reasonable that speed and strength will keep the guy competitive.

Completely untrained man versus a woman that is a master? Probably won't stand a chance. But that's an outlier. In fact, I find it interesting that you mention training, since this situation involves a male athlete and a regular woman. He's even stronger than a random guy would be, capable of dealing more damage.

As I said to the other guy (since this is the path you want to go down), law or no, you should not hit someone significantly weaker than you are. That is exactly what this case is. This woman was unlikely to cause any serious harm.

I'm not defending her - I've said she shouldn't have done what she did. All the same, he should not have hit her. Do you disagree? If so, why?

What level should I assume females are trained to when they threaten me? What level should I assume males are trained to when they threaten me?

I tend to think that I, and the law, should treat threats equally, as you can never be sure of the strength, training, or any other variable when someone acts wildly.

Again, I think I have to ask what your point is, here? Are men who are threatened, kicked, and punched in a bar by a woman to assume there is no threat? What if it was a man of equal punching potential? What if it were the guy to her right, would almost certainly has less punching potential....You get attacked, you respond. I don't care what you have between your legs. You don't blame someone who gets kicked and punched first.

Did she attack because of estrogen? If not, I'm not sure what any of what you've said about scientific stereotypes has to do with this situation. She raised a fist, threw a punch.

Same way the last thread about a guy hitting a woman got so many posts.

Some people say not letting the guy hit the woman aggressor is positive sexism, some people think all violence is bad, etc. Makes for fun discussion.

And some people blatantly misrepresent other people and then completely back off from their original point, without ever owning up to it or apologizing.

 

[kevm3]

Have you watched both the male and female version of a sport? Observed the differences?

Here's the thing - a guy trained to the same level as a woman will usually beat out the woman. Taught the same moves, the same strategies. Honestly, even if the guy is trained worse, it's reasonable that speed and strength will keep the guy competitive.

Completely untrained man versus a woman that is a master? Probably won't stand a chance. But that's an outlier. In fact, I find it interesting that you mention training, since this situation involves a male athlete and a regular woman. He's even stronger than a random guy would be, capable of dealing more damage.

As I said to the other guy (since this is the path you want to go down), law or no, you should not hit someone significantly weaker than you are. That is exactly what this case is. This woman was unlikely to cause any serious harm.

I'm not defending her - I've said she shouldn't have done what she did. All the same, he should not have hit her. Do you disagree? If so, why?

No one should hit anyone unprovoked. If you're significantly weaker than the other party, you need to especially learn to keep your hands to yourself. If you initiate violence against another party, you invite retaliation. Strength differences fly out the window amongst adults. Do not put your hands on someone else, especially if you can't handle the potential aftermath.

He would have done a better thing by ignoring her punch to his face, but she's no certainly no victim.

 

[Nicktals]

Have you watched both the male and female version of a sport? Observed the differences?

Here's the thing - a guy trained to the same level as a woman will usually beat out the woman. Taught the same moves, the same strategies. Honestly, even if the guy is trained worse, it's reasonable that speed and strength will keep the guy competitive.

Completely untrained man versus a woman that is a master? Probably won't stand a chance. But that's an outlier. In fact, I find it interesting that you mention training, since this situation involves a male athlete and a regular woman. He's even stronger than a random guy would be, capable of dealing more damage.

As I said to the other guy (since this is the path you want to go down), law or no, you should not hit someone significantly weaker than you are. That is exactly what this case is. This woman was unlikely to cause any serious harm.

I'm not defending her - I've said she shouldn't have done what she did. All the same, he should not have hit her. Do you disagree? If so, why?

I don't disagree. Punching is never the right action. I'm not sure why she felt it necessary to lash out at him. I don't see what he did to deserve that. And, do you think this woman is unaware of the size difference, or your biological superiority stuff? I don't think I'd kick someone in the groin and punch them in the face if they appeared to be much much stronger than me. If I got drunk and did that, I'd expect to walk away with a black eye. Why shouldn't she expect the same?

 

[Frog-fu]

Racist is speculative.
When your hands are restrained and you're pushed backwards your leg coming up is automatic or have you never been in a physical controntation?

There have been reports of witnesses confirming her use of a racial slur.

The video and the gifs show she was actively attempt to assault the guy, not trying to push him away, which she would have still be able to do, albeit not as successful, and would have attempted if that were aim, but judging from the fact she immediately follows with a punch to his face, it would appear if she had intention of creating any space betweem them, it was solely for the purpose of getting a better shot at him.

How intellectually dishonest are you being right now that, whilst presented with clear evidence, you are still insistent on raising all these nonsensical questions and reserve all mitigating factors in favour of the woman that is seen initiating the violence?

 

[Dude Abides]

Good thing I was never wrong and was never "fighting" that "battle" (lmao).
You've clearly forgotten my post was about her behavior before she turns around:


Then you replied with something that happens after that, but sure, I'm "dishonest".
Good job on pulling me into a debate I wasn't even having in the first place dude.

I wasn't even talking to you and you jumped in and said "where do you see a shove?" I didn't pull you into anything. I explained where the shove occurred, which unfortunately took more effort than I expected because you had some difficulty understanding. Now you're apparently mad about being wrong or something so you're misreprenting what I've said, and frankly I'm you not interested in spending more time correcting you. So please just let it go.

 

[Beerman462]

What level should I assume females are trained to when they threaten me?

When you can easily restrain one hand and the free hand doesn't connect/moves at the speed of smell. You can probably assume they are a junior high thteat.

 

[Nicktals]

When you can easily restrain one hand and the free hand doesn't connect/moves at the speed of smell. You can probably assume they are a junior high thteat.

Is that because she's a woman, intoxicated, a bad fighter, genetically inferior? If it were a drunk man of the same weight and strength, there would be no story here.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

I wasn't even talking to you and you jumped in and said "where do you see a shove?" I didn't pull you into anything.

You weren't talking to me?
What I just posted was my very first post, and then you do this:

Yep, that's not you replying to me with something I wasn't even talking about.

You've officially gone insane if you think my "where do you see a shove" post (which clearly came after your reply to me) was random and uninstigated.

Lmao just stop and go to bed or some shit.

 

[Nicktals]

When you can easily restrain one hand and the free hand doesn't connect/moves at the speed of smell. You can probably assume they are a junior high thteat.

And, after someone attempts to punch, and kicks you, should you be expected to act completely rationally? Why or why not?

 

[Beerman462]

There have been reports of witnesses confirming her use of a racial slur.

The video and the gifs shows she was actively attempt to assault the guy.

How intellectually dishonest are you being right now that, whilst presented with clear evidence, you are still insistent on raising all these nonsensical questions and reserve all mitigating factors in favour of the woman that is seen initiating the violence?

So if a adolescent punches you in the groin are you free to retaliate with full force? Her age or size has no impact here. She was obviously weaker and controllable. He reacted out of pride/ego. I don't know how anyone can watch that video and interpret him as being vulnerable. He controlled the situation from the beginning to the end. He was never in risk of serious bodily injuring. He was just protecting a possible bruised ego.

And, after someone attempts to punch, and kicks you, should you be expected to act completely rationally? Why or why not?

I've been punched by drunk females before, but they were friends and it was playful. As a man I've bever felt physically threatened by a woman and feel sorry for anyone that does.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

So if a adolescent punches you in the groin are you free to retaliate with full force? Her age or size has no impact here. She was obviously weaker and controllable. He reacted out of pride/ego. I don't know how anyone can watch that video and interpret him as being vulnerable. He controlled the situation from the beginning to the end. He was never in risk of serious bodily injuring. He was just protecting a possible bruised ego.

That about sums it up.

 

[royalan]

So if a adolescent punches you in the groin are you free to retaliate with full force? Her age or size has no impact here. She was obviously weaker and controllable. He reacted out of pride/ego. I don't know how anyone can watch that video and interpret him as being vulnerable. He controlled the situation from the beginning to the end. He was never in risk of serious bodily injuring. He was just protecting a possible bruised ego.

She obviously wasn't controllable, seeing as she still managed to punch him in the face after he made an effort to restrain her.

 

[Vermillion]

And some people blatantly misrepresent other people and then completely back off from their original point, without ever owning up to it or apologizing.

I want you to go back to post #1812, and read the edit. Then, I want you to click the link and go back to the original post, which you quoted. Then I want you to stop crying about "blatant misrepresentation." Savvy?

I don't disagree. Punching is never the right action. I'm not sure why she felt it necessary to lash out at him. I don't see what he did to deserve that. And, do you think this woman is unaware of the size difference, or your biological superiority stuff? I don't think I'd kick someone in the groin and punch them in the face if they appeared to be much much stronger than me. If I got drunk and did that, I'd expect to walk away with a black eye. Why shouldn't she expect the same?

How do you say things like "punching is never the right action," then go to "why shouldn't she expect the same"? She shouldn't expect the same if punching is never the right action - hell, that's tacit admission that he was also in the wrong, yes?

 

[Nicktals]

So if a adolescent punches you in the groin are you free to retaliate with full force? Her age or size has no impact here. She was obviously weaker and controllable. He reacted out of pride/ego. I don't know how anyone can watch that video and interpret him as being vulnerable. He controlled the situation from the beginning to the end. He was never in risk of serious bodily injuring. He was just protecting a possible bruised ego.

Does an adolescent have a fully formed brain? Are they help to the same decision making standards as a 21 year old? And didn't he attempt to control the raised fist, before she kicked and punched him?

 

[Nicktals]

I want you to go back to post #1812, and read the edit. Then, I want you to click the link and go back to the original post, which you quoted. Then I want you to stop crying about "blatant misrepresentation." Savvy?



How do you say things like "punching is never the right action," then go to "why shouldn't she expect the same"? She shouldn't expect the same if punching is never the right action - hell, that's tacit admission that he was also in the wrong, yes?
Uhh, what? Punching is never the right action...who punched first? That's why anyone who throws a punch should expect the same. Gender doesn't matter. Don't throw punches first.

Post 1812:

Biology is predictive. Science in general is predictive. Sociology is not.

See the bolded? That's the point where you crossed the line from biology to sociology. It's something you haven't gotten this entire discussion. Let me put it as clearly as possible:

Biological generalizations are a part of science. Science is predictive. It is based on what is testable, and what can be repeated. Bones and muscles form in a particular way at a particular stage. We know this. This is fact.

EDIT:

You literally quoted me saying that I could have phrased it better. The point is the same.

Not sure what your point is.

"How do you say things like "punching is never the right action," then go to "why shouldn't she expect the same"? She shouldn't expect the same if punching is never the right action - hell, that's tacit admission that he was also in the wrong, yes?"

Because she punched him first? If this was a guy who kicked another guy in the groin, and then threw a limp punch, and walked out with a black eye, there's no story. The prosecutor definitely doesn't side with the guy who threw the first punch in a tiny bar scrum

EDIT: And again, for the 5th or 6th time, I've never thrown a punch, I subscribe to the 'play dead' theory. I've never defended his actions as good, just, moral, or anything like that. I've described it as legal. If someone gets drunk, puts their leg in your groin, and takes a swing, they should probably expect to walk away with a black eye.