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[A Link to the Past]

Eh, then next week another group of single-issue hecklers shout him down, then another, and so on. All you do is encourage being interrupted.

At some point you need to address the top-ten issues people care about: jobs, the economy, etc. Boring as they may be, that's how most people determine their vote.

"single issue"

While yes there is "one single issue", that single issue has many issues under it. You make it seem like being a single issue makes it small. The economy is also a single issue in the grand scheme of things too.

 

[Indicate]

No but maybe wait for your opportunity, rather than crash a rally...esp when the person you crash is in support of you.It was shitty timing. and poor form

Yes #blacklivesmatter but fuck so do #alllivesmatter

His campaign is fairly new, cut the guy some slack before you judge..also consider his time during the HEIGHT of civil rights.

Poor form.

Everyone knows that all lives matter, but we haven't got to that point. It's just that the way blacks are treated through systemic racism brings the need to emphasize that #blacklivesmatter.

 

[Dicer]

Man, he missed a trick there. How are you going to get vocal and passionate people up on stage and then let them slide back into the audience to disrupt your shit from afar? He should've sat down with the three main women and talked to them about their fears and how best he can assuage them. Ask them what they want before you tell them what you can do for them. Gives him a chance to look like he cares, and he can steal any great ideas they come out with.

Shouting over him was shitty, but he could've turned that around. He didn't need to look so much like an aloof and crotchety old man.

Sure, he could have but that would just encourage the next group.."oh well, he talked to THEM, why won't he sit down with ME"

Not how it works...

 

[BradC00]

Bernie will never get the minority vote.

And Hillary's people will never let #BLM's people get near her.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Sure, he could have but that would just encourage the next group.."oh well, he talked to THEM, why won't he sit down with ME"

Not how it works...

It also doesn't work to say #alllivesmatter in a country that already knows that certain lives matter.

 

[Kevinroc]

Tbh I hope black activists continue doing stuff like this. Although I wonder if Hilary and her team will make sure they don't get near her.

I know it makes people majorly uncomfortable but that's the way it's got to be. For them to be easily placated would lead to the same platitudes, promises and no action. We've seen the power the police have to commit some very foul acts and still carry on trucking. Supported by a vast swathe of the electorate.

Sucks it had to be Bernie to face their brunt but it looks like people have had enough.

Hillary and her people have had days to think about this issue and come up with a response if she is ever in this situation.

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/20/9006315/hillary-clinton-blacklivesmatter

 

[ucdawg12]

"single issue"

While yes there is "one single issue", that single issue has many issues under it. You make it seem like being a single issue makes it small. The economy is also a single issue in the grand scheme of things too.

you're taking the phrase "single-issue" out of context as a slight to the issue itself. a single-issue heckler cares only about that single issue and does not care about anything else.

 

[jtb]

Sure, he could have but that would just encourage the next group.."oh well, he talked to THEM, why won't he sit down with ME"

Not how it works...

Why not? Bernie isn't the establishment candidate, he should be looking to court as many friends as he can, particularly through the grassroots.

 

[SmokyDave]

Eh, then next week another group of single-issue hecklers shout him down, then another, and so on. All you do is encourage being interrupted.

At some point you need to address the top-ten issues people care about: jobs, the economy, etc. Boring as they may be, that's how most people determine their vote.

Sure, he could have but that would just encourage the next group.."oh well, he talked to THEM, why won't he sit down with ME"

Not how it works...

I figured that, but you chalk this one down to a ducky life as it's the first time it has happened, and it's a cause he'd do very well to throw his weight behind. Next time you're interrupted you give it the old 'now I'm sure you saw what went down in City X, and I appreciate that you all have issues to share with me, but these sessions were not conceived as a public forum. I'll be holding a far less formal session on Date A at Venue B, and I'd really appreciate it if you could join me there blah blah blah'.

It's not ideal, but it's workable. I'd expect a man that felt himself to be presidential material to be capable of jumping through a few hoops.

 

[Dicer]

It also doesn't work to say #alllivesmatter in a country that already knows that certain lives matter.

Drop the shitty hashtag, and yes all lives do matter...equally. Not everyone sees it that way, and no way in hell they ever will. IDGAF if you are black white green pink yellow whatever life is important, but I'm the minority. #blacklivesmatter what about the other minorities that get lumped in, go they fall under that banner, the random Hispanics Asians and yes even poor white people that have been unjustly handled prosecuted and yes killed by cops?!?!!? What about them?

If a cop kills a person unjustly it should be dealt with, regardless of race, and that issue has is in discussion. It's not a solution that going to come overnight, screaming and hollering isn't going to make it happen any faster either, esp when you do it in a venue here there is already support for you.

 

[Calcaneus]

I don't get why people are acting like the protestors fucked up in some way or hurt their cause, they achieved exactly what they set out to do. They exposed the candidates weaknesses when it came to racial issues and now they are forced to directly address it or this will go down as a huge negative for many voters. If Sanders is as supportive of the movement as people are saying he is, then this will most likely end up being a big win for him once he gets his message across, so why would any of his supporters be angry over this?

 

[Indicate]

Drop the shitty hashtag, and yes all lives do matter...equally. Not everyone sees it that way, and no way in hell they ever will. IDGAF if you are black white green pink yellow whatever life is important, but I'm the minority. #blacklivesmatter what about the other minorities that get lumped in, go they fall under that banner, the random Hispanics Asians and yes even poor white people that have been unjustly handled prosecuted and yes killed by cops?!?!!? What about them?

If a cop kills a person unjustly it should be dealt with, regardless of race, and that issue has is in discussion. It's not a solution that going to come overnight, screaming and hollering isn't going to make it happen any faster either, esp when you do it in a venue here there is already support for you.

wow wtf. You clearly don't get it.

 

[Guevara]

I figured that, but you chalk this one down to a ducky life as it's the first time it has happened, and it's a cause he'd do very well to throw his weight behind. Next time you're interrupted you give it the old 'now I'm sure you saw what went down in City X, and I appreciate that you all have issues to share with me, but these sessions were not conceived as a public forum. I'll be holding a far less formal session on Date A at Venue B, and I'd really appreciate it if you could join me there blah blah blah'.

It's not ideal, but it's workable. I'd expect a man that felt himself to be presidential material to be capable of jumping through a few hoops.

That's really well handled, you have a gift.

 

[werks]

Tbh I hope black activists continue doing stuff like this. Although I wonder if Hilary and her team will make sure they don't get near her.

I know it makes people majorly uncomfortable but that's the way it's got to be. For them to be easily placated would lead to the same platitudes, promises and no action. We've seen the power the police have to commit some very foul acts and still carry on trucking. Supported by a vast swathe of the electorate.

Sucks it had to be Bernie to face their brunt but it looks like people have had enough.

How long have we been trending hashtags and raising "awareness". Awareness isn't doing shit for black people getting killed. If you aren't fighting this at the most local city, county and state level by replacing mayors, legislators and state senators that will actually clean house with these corrupt police departments and change discriminatory practices then you aren't doing shit.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Good stuff, it's a shame they probably won't be able to get to Hillary in the same way though.

 

[Retromelon]

Yeah, hillary's good at managing her public appearances.

 

[Kill3r7]

I figured that, but you chalk this one down to a ducky life as it's the first time it has happened, and it's a cause he'd do very well to throw his weight behind. Next time you're interrupted you give it the old 'now I'm sure you saw what went down in City X, and I appreciate that you all have issues to share with me, but these sessions were not conceived as a public forum. I'll be holding a far less formal session on Date A at Venue B, and I'd really appreciate it if you could join me there blah blah blah'.

It's not ideal, but it's workable. I'd expect a man that felt himself to be presidential material to be capable of jumping through a few hoops.

Security let him down. Responding/engaging the crowd is not the answer. Next time Bernie chooses not to respond the headline will be "Bernie dodges x issue". The media and his opponents will have a field day with it. It's a lose-lose proposition.

 

[jay]

I'm pretty skeptical of all the left-eating-its-own tail arguments in most contexts, but particularly in the context of a Presidential election—once Bernie loses, he'll almost certainly endorse Hillary and even the staunchest, left-est critic or Hillary (or Bernie, for that matter) would see them as a much more preferable option than the Republican nominee in a general election. I guess young (usually liberal) voters are notoriously fickle, but even they manage to turn out in general elections.

The leftists I know, who consider liberal a bad word, do not think elections mean anything. They are simply slight shifts in power between the rich who will do anything to protect their wealth. You may recall this theme during the Nader elections where many progressives said Gore and Bush are literally the same person.

 

[ErasureAcer]

I said in another thread that Hillary supporters should not be condescending to supporters of other candidates. For instance, as a Sanders supporter, I find that image of Hillary sipping coffee very condescending and annoying.

However, I would also ask fellow Sanders supporters not to be condescending to those who disagree with them. Your post is insanely condescending, and it is just going to provoke anger.

I said before that I'll support Sanders in the primary. I still support him, but I am a little embarrassed to associated with some of this stuff.

Not condescending at all. If MLK shouted the same 2 lines over and over we wouldnt have Voting Rights Act, Civil Rights Act or any other progressive legislation. Same can be said today.

Hijacking events is not a suitable way to bring people to your cause. Not being informed on who is speaking is not a way to bring people to your cause. Unless you are a comedian, vulgarity is not a good way to bring people to your cause.

BLM needs some leadership. Someone said they didnt have any but one of the founders said they are going to shut down debates...so that's not true.

If they plan on sayimg the same dinky catchphrases and not be eloquent...they will probably do more harm than good.

BLM needs an eloquent voice not loud, obnoxious, rude, uneducated dimwits talking over people on their side.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Drop the shitty hashtag, and yes all lives do matter...equally. Not everyone sees it that way, and no way in hell they ever will. IDGAF if you are black white green pink yellow whatever life is important, but I'm the minority. #blacklivesmatter what about the other minorities that get lumped in, go they fall under that banner, the random Hispanics Asians and yes even poor white people that have been unjustly handled prosecuted and yes killed by cops?!?!!? What about them?

If a cop kills a person unjustly it should be dealt with, regardless of race, and that issue has is in discussion. It's not a solution that going to come overnight, screaming and hollering isn't going to make it happen any faster either, esp when you do it in a venue here there is already support for you.

Do you ever wonder why people don't say #allpeopleneedfood when people say #poorpeopleneedfood? No reasonable person would ever think that the latter means that the rich should starve to death; what the hashtag means is "poor people don't get enough food, and that's not okay." People say #alllivesmatter because they think that #blacklivesmatter is somehow an attack on whiteness, when it's just: "black lives don't matter to too many people, and that's not okay." Forcing whiteness into movements intended to enhance the rights and privileges of POC is shit.

And yes, I agree - a cop should always be taken to task for unjust killing. And guess what? There's already a ton of progress there! As long as you're white. #BlackLivesMatter is a direct response to that. A white person unjustly killed by a cop is more palatable than a black person unjustly killed by a cop. The former is a tragedy, and the latter is an exercise for white people to try and find some way to explain why it had to be done. THAT is why #alllivesmatter is bullshit - using it in response to a hashtag created to point out police brutality against black people is basically saying "I don't care about what's happening to you right now."

 

[royalan]

Sure, he could have but that would just encourage the next group.."oh well, he talked to THEM, why won't he sit down with ME"

Not how it works...

Exactly how it works. If Bernie had done that instead of going all "Get off my lawn!" he would have actually bolstered his campaign, instead of shooting it in the foot.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Not condescending at all. If MLK shouted the same 2 lines over and over we wouldnt have Voting Rights Act, Civil Rights Act or any other progressive legislation. Same can be said today.

Hijacking events is not a suitable way to bring people to your cause. Not being informed on who is speaking is not a way to bring people to your cause. Unless you are a comedian, vulgarity is not a good way to bring people to your cause.

BLM needs some leadership. Someone said they didnt have any but one of the founders said they are going to shut down debates...so that's not true.

If they plan on sayimg the same dinky catchphrases and not be eloquent...they will probably do more harm than good.

BLM needs an eloquent voice not loud, obnoxious, rude, uneducated dimwits talking over people on their side.

Damn, homie.

You've been repeating this so many times I think YOU want the job.

How about it? I'm sure you can make the amount of momentum the creators have, and more!

Walk in there all respectable and whatnot, summoning the spirit of St. Martin Luther King Jr.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Not condescending at all. If MLK shouted the same 2 lines over and over we wouldnt have Voting Rights Act, Civil Rights Act or any other progressive legislation. Same can be said today.

Hijacking events is not a suitable way to bring people to your cause. Not being informed on who is speaking is not a way to bring people to your cause. Unless you are a comedian, vulgarity is not a good way to bring people to your cause.

BLM needs some leadership. Someone said they didnt have any but one of the founders said they are going to shut down debates...so that's not true.

If they plan on sayimg the same dinky catchphrases and not be eloquent...they will probably do more harm than good.

BLM needs an eloquent voice not loud, obnoxious, rude, uneducated dimwits talking over people on their side.

"People on their side"

Seriously, fuck this logic. People on my side can be real shitheads. I've received tons of disrespect from people "on my side" when I call them out for the smallest thing. People who are "on my side" are also people who may just be willing to harass people if they criticize them or someone they like.

 

[Indicate]

Not condescending at all. If MLK shouted the same 2 lines over and over we wouldnt have Voting Rights Act, Civil Rights Act or any other progressive legislation. Same can be said today.

Hijacking events is not a suitable way to bring people to your cause. Not being informed on who is speaking is not a way to bring people to your cause. Unless you are a comedian, vulgarity is not a good way to bring people to your cause.

BLM needs some leadership. Someone said they didnt have any but one of the founders said they are going to shut down debates...so that's not true.

If they plan on sayimg the same dinky catchphrases and not be eloquent...they will probably do more harm than good.

BLM needs an eloquent voice not loud, obnoxious, rude, uneducated dimwits talking over people on their side.

yeah sure, I'm uneducated.

Spoiler

/s

How about those lawyers and doctors that protested too? (BLM as a whole, not specific to that group at Netroots Nation) This thread is a mess. Bernie supporters vs. Bernie supporters vs. other progressives. ugh.

 

[werks]

Exactly how it works. If Bernie had done that instead of going all "Get off my lawn!" he would have actually bolstered his campaign, instead of shooting it in the foot.

And if BLM actually managed to engage they wouldn't get shunned from all political events from here on out. No one won. Neither income equality nor BLM came out ahead.

 

[KingK]

Has anyone actually said any policies they want Sanders to support that he doesn't already advocate? Do people just want him to make criminal justice reform his number one campaign priority? Or are people just taking the attitudes of some of his supporters and projecting that onto the candidate? Because i see a lot of bullshit, baseless claims about what Sanders believes will "end racism." (As if "ending racism" is even a realistic/possible expectation to have of a presidential campaign)

I'm just struggling to understand why anyone would go after Bernie Sanders on this issue, considering he's been the most consistent advocate for minority rights and policies that mitigate the effects of racism compared to the rest of the field. O'Malley i completely understand, even Clinton supported mass incarceration in the past, though she's recently become pretty solid on these issues.

 

[royalan]

And if BLM actually managed to engage they wouldn't get shunned all political events from here on out. No one won. Neither income equality nor BLM came out ahead.

Let's be honest, they were going to get shunned at political events if they played the game anyway.

 

[East Lake]

yeah sure, I'm uneducated.

Spoiler

/s

How about those lawyers and doctors that protested too? This thread is a mess. Bernie supporters vs. Bernie supporters vs. other progressives. ugh.

It's not actually out of line to question the methods. My guess is the hecklers spend more time on twitter than they do reading gene sharp. It was a problem with the occupy movement as well. Often aimless and ignorant of the history of the labor movement.

 

[espher]

Except there is absolutely no evidence showing that economic policies can solve racism. Every big liberal economic policy has resulted in black people lagging behind while whites reap the benefits because this country was literally and figuratively built through racism.

I don't think there's any evidence showing that any policies can "solve" racism, to be fair.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Let's be honest, they were going to get shunned at political events if they played the game anyway.

And many of those shunned people have talked extensively about what to do to really change things like state violence and the many other law enforcement issues.

But alas, most heads in this thread wouldn't want to hear them anyway. Too hostile, too radical, unrealistic (aka not compromising).

 

[Dabanton]

How long have we been trending hashtags and raising "awareness". Awareness isn't doing shit for black people getting killed. If you aren't fighting this at the most local city, county and state level by replacing mayors, legislators and state senators that will actually clean house with these corrupt police departments and change discriminatory practices then you aren't doing shit.

Who says they're not doing that as well? You're talking as if the people in the hall were the full sum of the movement.

As others have said they've succeeded in what they set out to do, which is to get people talking whether that's positively or negatively it doesn't matter.

 

[The Faceless Master]

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

-MLK

 

[SmokyDave]

Don't tell me
I tell you
Me and my people just about due
I've been there so I know
They keep on saying "Go slow!"

-Nina Simone.

 

[USC-fan]

Not condescending at all. If MLK shouted the same 2 lines over and over we wouldnt have Voting Rights Act, Civil Rights Act or any other progressive legislation. Same can be said today.

Hijacking events is not a suitable way to bring people to your cause. Not being informed on who is speaking is not a way to bring people to your cause. Unless you are a comedian, vulgarity is not a good way to bring people to your cause.

BLM needs some leadership. Someone said they didnt have any but one of the founders said they are going to shut down debates...so that's not true.

If they plan on sayimg the same dinky catchphrases and not be eloquent...they will probably do more harm than good.

BLM needs an eloquent voice not loud, obnoxious, rude, uneducated dimwits talking over people on their side.

yep it almost gotten to the point it just silly. That is the problem with "#" movements.

This is the only time during the election they will have a say. Once it passed the primary stage it wont matter. The black vote is already behind whoever is on the democratic ticket.

This almost seem like it was set up by the Clinton camp. If they did...Bravo... this some house of cards level shit. Not like he's a real threat to begin with but this has done a lot of damage with the black vote as you can tell by this thread.

 

[Slayven]

-Nina Simone.

Damn smokey, thanks for dropping that. Listening it to it now. Haunting

 

[not psycho]

Has anyone actually said any policies they want Sanders to support that he doesn't already advocate?

Nobody is giving specifics on what they want him to do, or on what he already does.

How has he said he plans to help hold police accountable? How does he plan to end mass incarceration? How does he plan to have prisoners treated with respect?

I only have vague ideas myself. To hold police accountable, some kind of independent way to investigate and prosecute. It can't be someone local who already works with the police. To end mass incarceration, alternative sentencing (which Sanders has long supported, way before others got off the "tough on crime" train, but which he has not been giving lots of details on); basically, stop jailing a lot of non-violent offenders, and drug legalization. For respect of prisoners, it's going to cost money for more judges, and safer prisons. It is abhorrent that people are being imprisoned for years without their speedy trial, in brutal conditions.

Sanders may agree with this, and even with the people protesting him, but he has been awful at getting that across, and neither side has been giving specific plans.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Straight up, if Sanders is interested, there are plenty of people talking about these issues and potential solutions. And not just Ta-Nehisi Coates.

Angela Davis has written books about it, so has Michelle Alexander. So have numerous of the black activists that y'all think are trash because they use twitter to communicate and set up protests. In detail, way better than I could in a post or two.

Sanders COULD engage them. Or find some to put on staff/payroll. The dialogue could got both ways, but really it's Sanders who has more power to do that.


If he's unwilling to do that, then maybe he's not ready to lead modern america.

 

[USC-fan]

Straight up, if Sanders is interested, there are plenty of people talking about these issues and potential solutions. And not just Ta-Nehisi Coates.

Angela Davis has written books about it, so has Michelle Alexander. So have numerous of the black activists that y'all think are trash because they use twitter to communicate and set up protests. In detail, way better than I could in a post or two.

Sanders COULD engage them. Or find some to put on staff/payroll. The dialogue could got both ways, but really it's Sanders who has more power to do that.


If he's unwilling to do that, then maybe he's not ready to lead modern america.

Yep throw out decades of work in congress. Or care even about what he plans to do....

He better bow to these people on twitter. that what everyone wants in a leader! Same people that shouted over him when ask questions and didnt give him time to even answer. Because the fact is they didnt care what he said. They only care about interrupting and protesting.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Yep throw out decades of work in congress. Or care even about what he plans to do....

He better bow to these people on twitter. that what everyone wants in a leader! Same people that shouted over him when ask questions and didnt give him time to even answer. Because the fact is they didnt care what he said. They only care about interrupting and protesting.

Do you only speak in strawman fallacies?

 

[USC-fan]

Do you only speak in strawman fallacies?

Do you only debate with yourself?

No straw man at all.

 

[Arkeband]

Do you only debate with yourself?

Well, about that...

 

[JDSN]

Poor MLK always gets dragged into this discussions.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Poor MLK always gets dragged into this discussions.

His way is the only way.

Never mind that people constantly disregard many other aspects of his legacy to trot him out when he's convenient to make a point.

 

[bishoptl]

Eh, then next week another group of single-issue hecklers shout him down, then another, and so on. All you do is encourage being interrupted.

At some point you need to address the top-ten issues people care about: jobs, the economy, etc. Boring as they may be, that's how most people determine their vote.

Neat. Guess how many black voters are going to determine their vote? If you think the Democrats are going to win without addressing black issues - really addressing them, not paying lip service because boy howdy those days are gone - take a look at what happened in the last round of mid-terms.

Speaking of dealing with hecklers, Obama has been doing that since day one and succeeding quite well in letting them know that they'll have an opportunity to be heard - not running off 15 minutes early. That shit isn't presidential.

Poor MLK always gets dragged into this discussions.

#TBGWT mentioned so-called allies and racists alike flinging MLK out like "a goddamn Pokemon". I nearly drove off the road laughing.

Let's make it as clear as possible - that doesn't work anymore.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Do you only debate with yourself?

No straw man at all.

You've been running on one all thread, pressing the "they're all hashtags and yelling" button ad nauseam as if it had any mileage in the first place.

Sanders had time to address them, address the issue that was on their mind. He chose to try to cut it off and switch it back to his stump speech at an event where it wasn't necessary.

And it backfired on him badly. As bishop said, that's not presidential.

 

[Merc_]

Poor MLK always gets dragged into this discussions.

Could you imagine how he'd feel if he knew that one day his words would be constantly used to finger wag and attempt to silence other black people? It's especially something when it comes from supposed liberals.

 

[bishoptl]

This is the only time during the election they will have a say. Once it passed the primary stage it wont matter. The black vote is already behind whoever is on the democratic ticket.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. At the very least, Hillary seems to have smartened up and recognized that she can't take the black vote for granted. Sanders' past civil rights work does not give him a hall pass to ignore legitimate questions regarding what's happening with black lives *now*.

Period.

 

[USC-fan]

Neat. Guess how many black voters are going to determine their vote? If you think the Democrats are going to win without addressing black issues - really addressing them, not paying lip service because boy howdy those days are gone - take a look at what happened in the last round of mid-terms.

Speaking of dealing with hecklers, Obama has been doing that since day one and succeeding quite well in letting them know that they'll have an opportunity to be heard - not running off 15 minutes early. That shit isn't presidential.


#TBGWT mentioned so-called allies and racists alike flinging MLK out like "a goddamn Pokemon". I nearly drove off the road laughing.

Let's make it as clear as possible - that doesn't work anymore.

http://m.mic.com/articles/103422/3-charts-show-how-america-voted-in-this-year-s-midterm-elections

What do you mean what happened during midterms? Black vote was 90% democrats.

Or you just mean losing seats in Congress.

 

[bishoptl]

http://m.mic.com/articles/103422/3-charts-show-how-america-voted-in-this-year-s-midterm-elections

What do you mean what happened during midterms? Black vote was 90% democrats.

Or you just mean losing seats in Congress.

Yes, the black vote that showed up at the midterm polls was overwhelmingly Democrat, but the overall black vote numerically was depressed. Thanks in large part to Democratic candidates visibly turning away from Obama's policies. If you think that doesn't resonate with black Democratic voters, you're dreaming.

Any candidate that thinks that they'll be going back to the pre-2008 style of electioneering, with black candidates voting for the Democratic candidate because "who else are they gonna vote for" is going to wake up with a nasty hangover. The toothpaste isn't going back in the tube and you'll have to address the constituency to earn those votes.

 

[Effect]

Bernie will never get the minority vote.

And Hillary's people will never let #BLM's people get near her.

If Clinton's people are smart and watching this they'll hit this directly. Address this in a way that #BLM doesn't have to go or attempt to go at her like this. I'm glad this happen to Sanders and O'Malley. It should be a wake up call for them but it's not going to change anything. They simply do not think in this direction. Sander's position that everything relates to economics is the backbone of his platform. I picked up on that years ago and it's always bothered me. How you deal with situations then and there says a lot out a candidate as well. This was test and both of them failed in a big way and look like they'll continue to fail them. You can't just suddenly turn around and add certain words to your speeches after the fact. You have to show an actual understanding of the subject because the damage control lip service is easy to spot.

The democratic party takes the black vote for granted. That's not a new thing either. What is new is that you likely can't do that now and some are going to figure that out the hard way. I hope this continues and it forces this issue to be heard because there is a disconnect when it comes to white liberals and non-white liberals/progressives/etc on many issues.