Support NeoGAF

[Drifters]

May I ask why you would really advise against it? Is it not the final version perhaps? I've already upgraded/activated it, but I'm curious to learn what you seem to know.

I have heard murmers that those who activated early may end up having to do a full re-install. Even those of us on the Slow/Fast Ring that have 10240 won't have the full Windows Activation blessing until 00:01 on the 29th.

 

[Ashhong]

Any particular reason? About to upgrade my Win8.1 --> Win10 via this method after seeing fairly stable performance on a separate partition.



Upgrade and then reset/refresh using Win10 (essentially a 'clean' install).

Hm, I prefer to go into the bios and format and all that. Plus I didn't want to put unnecessary writes on my SSD. But if I have no choice then oh well

Also, I can still purchase and install a Windows 7 key after the 29th and still upgrade it to 10 at any time right?

 

[Hasney]

Any particular reason? About to upgrade my Win8.1 --> Win10 via this method after seeing fairly stable performance on a separate partition.

There's no reason. The ISOs floating around are Windows Update ESD files converted to ISO, essentially this is the build you'll be getting on the 29th and if it's not, Windows Update will take care of it from this point.

I have heard murmers that those who activated early may end up having to do a full re-install. Even those of us on the Slow/Fast Ring that have 10240 won't have the full Windows Activation blessing until 00:01 on the 29th.

I've heard that only people using Insider keys are going to have to maybe re-install, but there's been mixed messages (Out of MS?! NEVER!).

People who can fully activate using a Windows disc as an upgrade and are not part of the insider program are fine.

 

[MultiCore]

I have heard murmers that those who activated early may end up having to do a full re-install. Even those of us on the Slow/Fast Ring that have 10240 won't have the full Windows Activation blessing until 00:01 on the 29th.

You say full reinstall, I imagine the worst case is a roll-back to windows 8.1, and reinstall from there.

Everything has been so smooth that I doubt I'd be troubled by this at all, but I doubt that will be necessary.



I'm more curious as to what my activation status is going to be. I upgraded from an 8.1 fresh install with a retail key, but I hadn't activated it yet.

10 currently shows as activated on that machine, but a fresh install I did with the public key on a laptop says that key is blocked.

Regardless, 10 is sooo smooth. Very pleased.

 

[Buburibon]

I have heard murmers that those who activated early may end up having to do a full re-install. Even those of us on the Slow/Fast Ring that have 10240 won't have the full Windows Activation blessing until 00:01 on the 29th.

I see, thanks! Yeah, I'm ready to have to re-install it. That should be okay as long as I'm still eligible to do so for free.

 

[PleaseBeGentle_]

People could have tampered with the ISO considering there isn't an official one. That's about it though as far as dangers are concerned ?

 

[UV-6]

Forgive me if this has already been asked, but will we be able to do a clean install of Windows 10? I'm on Windows 7 at the moment.

 

[Hasney]

People could have tampered with the ISO considering there isn't an official one. That's about it though as far as dangers are concerned ?

You could get the ESD and verify the SHA1 against what it should be if you wanted to be safe, then decrypt and convert to ISO and you're go.

Forgive me if this has already been asked, but will we be able to do a clean install of Windows 10? I'm on Windows 7 at the moment.

Yes, but you need to do the upgrade first so your machine is registered with MS, then do a recovery/repair.

 

[PleaseBeGentle_]

True that! Just sayin' the possible dangers of plucking a random iso of the internet ^^

 

[btrboyev]

Is there any chance they'll bring Win10 to RT devices? I'm eyeing a 2nd hand 2520.

Rat devices will get a 8.1 update 3..which has some win10 features.

 

[UV-6]

Yes, but you need to do the upgrade first so your machine is registered with MS, then do a recovery/repair.

So it's done though the operating system? I don't need to boot from an ISO or USB?

 

[xBladeM6x]

Edit: nvm

 

[PleaseBeGentle_]

So it's done though the operating system? I don't need to boot from an ISO or USB?

Just mount iso and run setup

 

[UV-6]

Just mount iso and run setup

How do you obtain the ISO if you upgrade through Windows Update?

 

[DaNcaKe]

How do you obtain the ISO if you upgrade through Windows Update?

Mount the ISO if you want to upgrade early. If you're happy with waiting till launch then just sit tight, run Windows Update/Win 10 app after July 29th and you'll be upgraded.
Once you're on Win10, perform a reset which will perform a 'clean install'.

 

[Drifters]

There's no reason. The ISOs floating around are Windows Update ESD files converted to ISO, essentially this is the build you'll be getting on the 29th and if it's not, Windows Update will take care of it from this point.



I've heard that only people using Insider keys are going to have to maybe re-install, but there's been mixed messages (Out of MS?! NEVER!).

People who can fully activate using a Windows disc as an upgrade and are not part of the insider program are fine.

Well the reason I say that is that it is possible that those who activated earlier may get frozen out on updates. Call it crazy even since MS is supporting "pirated" versions but that's what I hear floating around.

You say full reinstall, I imagine the worst case is a roll-back to windows 8.1, and reinstall from there.

Everything has been so smooth that I doubt I'd be troubled by this at all, but I doubt that will be necessary.



I'm more curious as to what my activation status is going to be. I upgraded from an 8.1 fresh install with a retail key, but I hadn't activated it yet.

10 currently shows as activated on that machine, but a fresh install I did with the public key on a laptop says that key is blocked.

Regardless, 10 is sooo smooth. Very pleased.

Unknown at this time. I would imagine the WAS (Windows Activation Servers) will be getting hammered come the 29th hence the staggered rollout of the software.

I see, thanks! Yeah, I'm ready to have to re-install it. That should be okay as long as I'm still eligible to do so for free.

Correct.

Forgive me if this has already been asked, but will we be able to do a clean install of Windows 10? I'm on Windows 7 at the moment.

You could get the ESD and verify the SHA1 against what it should be if you wanted to be safe, then decrypt and convert to ISO and you're go.



Yes, but you need to do the upgrade first so your machine is registered with MS, then do a recovery/repair.

Beat like an old fish by Hasney.

 

[Ashhong]

Mount the ISO if you want to upgrade early. If you're happy with waiting till launch then just sit tight, run Windows Update/Win 10 app after July 29th and you'll be upgraded.
Once you're on Win10, perform a reset which will perform a 'clean install'.

A reset wont touch my second harddrive right? Only the drive with the system files?

 

[UV-6]

Alright. Cheers dudes.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

I would really advise against using any of the leaked ISO's that have been linked; The 29th is just a few more days away.

Why?

You can make your own iso by decrypting the ESD you can download directly from Microsoft servers, it's how I clean installed mine.

Microsoft won't be releasing an ISO and historically updating OSes has been buggy. I've had no end of problems going between releases.

 

[Ikuu]

Is there anyway to increase the number of items in the jumplists?

 

[DaNcaKe]

A reset wont touch my second harddrive right? Only the drive with the system files?

You get the option to format all drives or the Windows drive only, you'll be fine

 

[PleaseBeGentle_]

Just wondering but how long does the win10 installation take for u guys ?

Both the dreamspark one i did some time ago and the 240 took round 2 hours to install in my 5800rpm hdd T.T

Wonder if it would'been faster if used usb drive instead of mounting the iso?

 

[Hasney]

Just wondering but how long does the win10 installation take for u guys ?

Both the dreamspark one i did some time ago and the 240 took round 2 hours to install in my 5800rpm hdd T.T

Wonder if it would'been faster if used usb drive instead of mounting the iso?

Took less than an hour mounted on a 7200rpm HDD, but installing to an SSD. Clean install on my laptop took about the same from a DVD.

Upgrade rather than fresh takes longer depending on much stuff you have installed too.

 

[redlegs87]

I got my copy of windows 8 from a friend. He got it from his school but it wouldn't activate and I had to use a fiddle with the registry to get it to activate.

This is what I had to do:
Press the Windows key and type regedit. Press enter to open the Registry Editor.
Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Setup/OOBE/ and double-click on the MediabootInstall key in the right pane.
Change the key's value from 1 to 0.
Exit the Registry Editor, press the Windows key again, and type cmd. Right-click on the Command Prompt icon and run it as an administrator.
Type slmgr /rearm and press Enter.
Reboot Windows.


My product key is active and genuine when I look at the PC information screen. Will this give me any problems when I decide to upgrade to windows 10?

 

[Hasney]

I got my copy of windows 8 from a friend. He got it from his school but it wouldn't activate and I had to use a fiddle with the registry to get it to activate.

Press the Windows key and type regedit. Press enter to open the Registry Editor.
Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Setup/OOBE/ and double-click on the MediabootInstall key in the right pane.
Change the key's value from 1 to 0.
Exit the Registry Editor, press the Windows key again, and type cmd. Right-click on the Command Prompt icon and run it as an administrator.
Type slmgr /rearm and press Enter.
Reboot Windows.


My product key is active and genuine when I look at the PC information screen. Will this give me any problems when I decide to upgrade to windows 10?

Have you been offered to reserve Windows 10 yet? If so, I don't think it will.

 

[PleaseBeGentle_]

Took less than an hour mounted on a 7200rpm HDD, but installing to an SSD. Clean install on my laptop took about the same from a DVD.

Upgrade rather than fresh takes longer depending on much stuff you have installed too.

I upgraded with 1tb hdd pretty full so I guess 2 hours seem reasonable. Too bad the installation couldn't be as fast as the win8 one

 

[redlegs87]

Have you been offered to reserve Windows 10 yet? If so, I don't think it will.

Yeah I have my copy reserved with the little tray icon. I upgraded to 8.1 no problem I don't know I tend to just worry about things that aren't worth worrying about.

 

[Jibbajabbawockky]

Will older versions of Office (like 2007) still work with Windows 10 or are they going to force you into Office 365?

 

[Easy_D]

Why?

You can make your own iso by decrypting the ESD you can download directly from Microsoft servers, it's how I clean installed mine.

Microsoft won't be releasing an ISO and historically updating OSes has been buggy. I've had no end of problems going between releases.

Yeah I got a second hand ISO and have had zero issues other than Hybrid Sleep freezing my computer during wake-up. Had to turn it off, but it's most likely due to BIOS settings rather than Win10. But yeah it shouldn't happen regardless, so some minor bugs exist.

 

[Blizzard]

Just followed the steps on my home installation and it worked fine!

Awesome, thanks. I'm okay with Windows and Office updates but stuff like graphics drivers can indeed break things occasionally.

 

[Hasney]

Awesome, thanks. I'm okay with Windows and Office updates but stuff like graphics drivers can indeed break things occasionally.

Yeah, there's a seperate tickbox to keep other Microsoft products up to date as well, so you can have one or the other.

 

[KnightHart]

New SSD installed. But my CD Drive died for its survival because I'm too fucking lazy to grab another SATA Power cable.

God I'm really excited to finally use W10 on my desktop. The great backup external HDD transfer race begins!

 

[Bsigg12]

 

[DaNcaKe]

Just wondering but how long does the win10 installation take for u guys ?

Both the dreamspark one i did some time ago and the 240 took round 2 hours to install in my 5800rpm hdd T.T

Wonder if it would'been faster if used usb drive instead of mounting the iso?

On an SSD, total time around 30-40 mins including pre-install on Win8.1, the actual install and all the rebooting in between.

 

[Tweedy]

So guys... got a recent build from a colleague at work and installed it

I joined the technical preview when it first launched, where can I find my key since I cant go to manually download the Technical Preview myself?

anyone know?

EDIT: Never mind... missed this.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...-insider/97e6cd1f-ee8a-42ea-b76c-46aa4af8e203

 

[dLMN8R]

There have been hundreds of fixes going in every day since 10240 was finalized.

If Windows 10 was 100% ready for release, it would be released. 10240 was only released to Insiders for so far for many reasons, existing bugs which were just fixed being a major one.


If you want a version of Windows 10 intended for public consumption, wait until July 29th.

 

[Noema]

Just upgraded to 10240, which supposedly is the RTM build. Very happy with how it performs; 10070 and earlier builds ran like absolute crap and that had me worried that that would be the end of the line for my aging desktop but, luckily, that doesn't seem to be the case for the time being.

 

[ebullientprism]

Anyone running the RTM know of any major issues with Kodi or HDMI output with sound?

Thinking of updating the HTPC when its available next week but I can hold off if there are problems.

 

[Phanatic8390]

If I upgrade, then clean install to a new SSD all my motherboard drivers from Win7/8 should still work correct? Naturally I'd have to reinstall them.

I'm guessing I can just use my previous Win7 key on the clean 10 install and I'll be good to go?

 

[Hasney]

If I upgrade, then clean install to a new SSD all my motherboard drivers from Win7/8 should still work correct? Naturally I'd have to reinstall them.

I'm guessing I can just use my previous Win7 key on the clean 10 install and I'll be good to go?

Yeah, as long as you do the upgrade first, you're sound.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Will older versions of Office (like 2007) still work with Windows 10 or are they going to force you into Office 365?

They'll work fine.

 

[wrowa]

What's the point of having both settings and control panel? Feels redundant.

 

[Steelyuhas]

What's the point of having both settings and control panel? Feels redundant.

Transition phase basically, Control Panel will be fully replaced and removed at some point.

 

[clav]

There have been hundreds of fixes going in every day since 10240 was finalized.

If Windows 10 was 100% ready for release, it would be released. 10240 was only released to Insiders for so far for many reasons, existing bugs which were just fixed being a major one.

If you want a version of Windows 10 intended for public consumption, wait until July 29th.

Too bad no one is going to listen despite warnings.

 

[Broken Hope]

Too bad no one is going to listen despite warnings.

10240 is RTM, it's what is being sent out to OEM's so they can get their PC's ready for release, it's perfectly fine to install it, any updates/changes Microsoft have made post RTM will be pushed out over Windows Update for everyone.

 

[Reversed]

Really "eeh" question that intrigues me. Are emoji pretty much visible on any W10 browser?

 

[clav]

10240 is RTM, it's what is being sent out to OEM's so they can get their PC's ready for release, it's perfectly fine to install it, any updates/changes Microsoft have made post RTM will be pushed out over Windows Update for everyone.

Do you work at MS?

 

[Oracle Dragon]

Are there some versions of Windows 7 that don't qualify? I have an Acer AspireOne 721 that has Windows 7 Home Premium on it (came bundled with it). I have applied every Windows update available and I am still not prompted to get the upgrade to Windows 10. My Windows 7 Upgrade on my desktop PC registered no problem for Windows 10.

 

[dLMN8R]

10240 is RTM, it's what is being sent out to OEM's so they can get their PC's ready for release, it's perfectly fine to install it, any updates/changes Microsoft have made post RTM will be pushed out over Windows Update for everyone.

I work for Microsoft. On Windows.


When a build is sent to OEMs, there are a billion other things that happen too.

OEMs regularly get drops of new updates that they then integrate on their devices before shipping them to customers. Sure, some ship exactly the build they are given, but not for very long, because of late-breaking bugs which often come up.

People who upgrade on July 29th will also get the latest updates as a part of the upgrade process. This means they will never for a second run 10240 in its original form - by the time they land in Windows 10 they already have the fixes.

Sure, some people upgrading won't get updates until after landing in 10240, but it's not really recommended.

Anecdotes are not data here. You may have a fantastic experience, but there are literally hundreds of bug fixes - some extremely major - which have been checked-in since the 10240 Insiders got was built. It's highly likely that some bug you personally didn't encounter could negatively affect countless other people.

For example, do you like losing wi-fi every time your Surface Pro 3 exits sleep until you reboot? I don't. And I wouldn't want my wife, or my mom, or dad, to deal with that problem. What about blue screens due to third party drivers which aren't ready yet but will be ready soon? Printers suddenly not working? Start menu and notification center not working?

Luckily these and many others like them were fixed in the updates that customers will all get if they wait to upgrade until July 29th.


If you're willing to try 10240 anyway, go for it! But if you make a recommendation to others to do the same as "perfectly fine" - against Microsoft's own recommendations - you're being pretty irresponsible. Especially since you're essentially advocating that people download ISOs of a product not intended for them via unverified and unofficial sources.

 

[Northeastmonk]

I'm ready to say goodbye to Windows 8.1. It's been fun and I've used Start8 since the very beginning. I signed up to be notified when I can upgrade.

It's been real, it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun (without a tool).