Windows 10 Troubleshooting Thread

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Welp, the Windows 10 preview just installed the latest Nvidia driver (353.54) even though I explicitly disabled driver updates through Windows Update.

There was no warning. I stepped away from my system for 20 minutes, came back to find the resolution switched to 1024x768 with Windows asking me to restart to complete the update. It even reinstalled the extra garbage like 3D Vision.

I really, *really* hope this changes on release day. I can understand forcing Windows security fixes but forcing driver updates is psychotic.

Windows 10 does forced updates and yeah my games started up in 3D mode.
 
Welp, the Windows 10 preview just installed the latest Nvidia driver (353.54) even though I explicitly disabled driver updates through Windows Update.

There was no warning. I stepped away from my system for 20 minutes, came back to find the resolution switched to 1024x768 with Windows asking me to restart to complete the update. It even reinstalled the extra garbage like 3D Vision.

I really, *really* hope this changes on release day. I can understand forcing Windows security fixes but forcing driver updates is psychotic.

i looked at nvidia inspector after the update and noticed that CUDA is disabled too

clean installed this one from nvidia's site and it's still disabled though

edit - also, i had "never install driver updates automatically" set before running DDU and clean installing 353.30. when i turned "automatically install updates" back on, my secondary display disappeared and nvidia control panel was gone. restarted and was back at the driver that was downloaded through windows update (353.54), without seeing an installer or anything
 
Take a look at the link in my post. There's actually a way to disable driver updates built right in to the UI. It's a little buried but it doesn't require registry editing or anything!

..the problem is that Windows Update is apparently ignoring the setting.

edit: Ah, I fucked up the link. Fixed.

http://windowsinstructed.com/disable-automatic-device-driver-download-in-windows-10/

I've been reading about how they're doing forced updates that can only be prevented by disabling your internet.
 
I caved and installed Windows 10

Wow this Microsoft Edge browser is SUPER fast. Holy shit.

But I wiped all my drives so I'm back to doing everything from scratch. First, gotta disable all the stupid shit and reinstall my Nvidia drivers.
 
I caved and installed Windows 10

Wow this Microsoft Edge browser is SUPER fast. Holy shit.

But I wiped all my drives so I'm back to doing everything from scratch. First, gotta disable all the stupid shit and reinstall my Nvidia drivers.

IE is already pretty fast for me on Windows 7 vs Chrome (probably cause I have shit load of Chrome plugins).
 
I caved and installed Windows 10

Wow this Microsoft Edge browser is SUPER fast. Holy shit.

But I wiped all my drives so I'm back to doing everything from scratch. First, gotta disable all the stupid shit and reinstall my Nvidia drivers.

Can't really use it without add-on support though.
 
Okay, so I have all my Steam games and other things on my other drive that doesn't have the OS installed in.

On launch day, I want to do a clean installation, all I have to do is remove that drive (so that it doesn't format the drive) and replace it back after the new installation is done, right?
 
IE is already pretty fast for me on Windows 7 vs Chrome (probably cause I have shit load of Chrome plugins).

Yeah I've never been a big fan of Chrome. The struggle was real when I was running games and multiple applications all at once on 8GB of RAM, and I only ran into problems when I started up Chrome.

I've always been a Firefox guy though. I love my add-ons.

Can't really use it without add-on support though.

That's definitely true. I don't think this is here to replace IE (because IE is also still here for whatever reason) but it feels like such a huge improvement over IE. Like, if, for whatever reason, you're forced to choose between the two and only those two then Edge seems like a clear winner.

Right now I'm trying to find out how to disable that Xbox DVR crap. Apparently it messes with games so I want that shit the fuck off.

Okay, so I have all my Steam games and other things on my other drive that doesn't have the OS installed in.

On launch day, I want to do a clean installation, all I have to do is remove that drive (so that it doesn't format the drive) and replace it back after the new installation is done, right?

When you install Windows 10 it only alters the drive that Windows is on. At least in my case it did

When I reset my drives and reformatted using the settings within Windows 10 (it literally says 'Reset PC' like in Windows 8) it actually gave me the option of purging only the drive Windows is installed on (so my C Drive SSD in this case), or purging ALL of my drives. Since I'm doing a full clean install, I chose to kill all my drives.

In your case, you would want to only want to clean out the drive Windows is on.

Another thing about that reset PC thing. It also gives you two options. 1) To clean out the PC as if you're going to revisit it, or 2) 'Clean it out' as if you were selling the PC. Not sure what they specifically meant by the second one, but I assume the 2nd one just literally factory resets it.
 
Okay, so I have all my Steam games and other things on my other drive that doesn't have the OS installed in.

On launch day, I want to do a clean installation, all I have to do is remove that drive (so that it doesn't format the drive) and replace it back after the new installation is done, right?

When you re-install Windows you usually only format the drive/partition where Windows is actually located. I doubt it will be any different in Window 10's case. So, if you want to be extra careful you can remove the drive, but that shouldn't be necessary if you pay a bit of attention.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg9ZRHkoBJI

Just watched this and now I'm even more impatient for Windows 10. Cortana is going to be so useful. Imagine you're in the middle of a game but the dinner will be ready in an hour, you can ask her to remind you to get it out of the oven. Many burned meals could have been saved if I had her earlier.
 
I'm apparently not allowed to use Cortana because my system language is set to English, even though my region is set to a non-English speaking country. I'm not sure why one thing would depend on the other, but whatever.
 
Anyone else having issues with the Store app not downloading updates? I have 6 apps that nee to update and regardless of me pausing, starting, or reopening the store app they won't download. They are all stuck at 0.0 mb.
 
Welp, the Windows 10 preview just installed the latest Nvidia driver (353.54) even though I explicitly disabled driver updates through Windows Update.

There was no warning. I stepped away from my system for 20 minutes, came back to find the resolution switched to 1024x768 with Windows asking me to restart to complete the update. It even reinstalled the extra garbage like 3D Vision.

I really, *really* hope this changes on release day. I can understand forcing Windows security fixes but forcing driver updates is psychotic.

Oof, if this is true I'll be postponing my adoption of W10 indefinitely. I'm using really old drivers for my 460 and they are perfectly stable. The last time I tried to update them, shit went bad. Guess I'll be waiting until I have a new GPU if they don't fix this.
 
Oof, if this is true I'll be postponing my adoption of W10 indefinitely. I'm using really old drivers for my 460 and they are perfectly stable. The last time I tried to update them, shit went bad. Guess I'll be waiting until I have a new GPU if they don't fix this.

You most likely wouldn't be able to use old and unsupported drivers anyway, so it's irrelevant what update-behavior Win10 has.
 
I'm apparently not allowed to use Cortana because my system language is set to English, even though my region is set to a non-English speaking country. I'm not sure why one thing would depend on the other, but whatever.

I live in an English speaking country (Canada) yet Cortana doesn't work for me either. I think it's purely a US thing at this point.

A shame too, because I think I'd have a use for it considering my microphone is literally next to me.
 
I live in an English speaking country (Canada) yet Cortana doesn't work for me either. I think it's purely a US thing at this point.

A shame too, because I think I'd have a use for it considering my microphone is literally next to me.

They're adding Canada support sometime after launch, for now you can set region and all that to US and it'll work fine.
 
I caved and installed Windows 10

Wow this Microsoft Edge browser is SUPER fast. Holy shit.

But I wiped all my drives so I'm back to doing everything from scratch. First, gotta disable all the stupid shit and reinstall my Nvidia drivers.

I can't believe how fast all the native apps open especially Edge.
 
Compsio7809 said:
Did that exact thing yesterday. Worked very well.

She probably has a million uses, I can't wait to play with her.
 
So to clarify, if I upgrade my PC / Surface to Win10 next week or whatever, I can then do a kind of "reset to zero" thing instead of a format/fresh install on my SSD?
 
So to clarify, if I upgrade my PC / Surface to Win10 next week or whatever, I can then do a kind of "reset to zero" thing instead of a format/fresh install on my SSD?

That's what we currently understand, yes.

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Does the reset also format the drive like you'd do with a traditional clean install?
 
Does the reset also format the drive like you'd do with a traditional clean install?

I'm not sure how it would store the files needed to do the refresh while completely formatting the drive.

So no, but in answer to my previous question about this, the MS employee says it's just as good as a clean install.

Provided your SSD controller doesn't have problems, this should be sufficient.

That said, if you really want a clean install, take the upgrade and burn an ISO and get after it.


I'm running 10240 upgraded from 8.1, and it's smooth like a new install, and I didn't have to reinstall anything.
 
Windows 10 feels underwhelming.

Mainly, it's an upgrade from Windows 8.1 that adds:

1. AI voice assistant Cortana
2. New Internet Browser called Edge
3. Start menu UI

There's another security improvement under the hood that's different from Windows 8.1.

Still though.

Not sure where the hype is.

Perhaps later when the updates cycle churn out like the Xbox One's is when the fun begins.

Welp, the Windows 10 preview just installed the latest Nvidia driver (353.54) even though I explicitly disabled driver updates through Windows Update.

There was no warning. I stepped away from my system for 20 minutes, came back to find the resolution switched to 1024x768 with Windows asking me to restart to complete the update. It even reinstalled the extra garbage like 3D Vision.

I really, *really* hope this changes on release day. I can understand forcing Windows security fixes but forcing driver updates is psychotic.

Read the user agreement.

Maybe drivers will change later, but no word on that yet.
 
Windows 10 feels underwhelming.

Mainly, it's an upgrade from Windows 8.1 that adds:

1. AI voice assistant Cortana
2. New Internet Browser called Edge
3. Start menu UI

There's another security improvement under the hood that's different from Windows 8.1.

Still though.

Not sure where the hype is.

Perhaps later when the updates cycle churn out like the Xbox One's is when the fun begins.

I mean, it's just Windows.

It's not a religious experience.



What were you looking for in your OS upgrade? I'm sure MS would love to hear suggestions.


What really impresses me is that it's compatible with everything I've run, and the upgrade process was seamless.
 
I mean, it's just Windows.

It's not a religious experience.

What were you looking for in your OS upgrade? I'm sure MS would love to hear suggestions.

Right. People are sharing their experience that way. I'm not seeing why people are so excited.

Maybe they're from Windows 7?
 
Windows 10 feels underwhelming.

Mainly, it's an upgrade from Windows 8.1 that adds:

1. AI voice assistant Cortana
2. New Internet Browser called Edge
3. Start menu UI

There's another security improvement under the hood that's different from Windows 8.1.

Still though.

Not sure where the hype is.

Perhaps later when the updates cycle churn out like the Xbox One's is when the fun begins.



Read the user agreement.

Maybe drivers will change later, but no word on that yet.
So, what exactly were you expecting?
 
Right. I'm not seeing why people are so excited.

Maybe they're from Windows 7?

"Oooh! New! Shiny!"

8 left such a bad taste in people's mouths, they're desperate for something that hearkens back to 7, which was hailed as the second coming.

I don't mind 8, but I ran it with Classic Shell. Wouldn't have run it without it.


I have several machines running 7 throughout the house. They'll all get upgraded to 10.
It's certainly what I've been waiting for to upgrade the stragglers.
 
So, what exactly were you expecting?

Not me. What are other people expecting?

"Oooh! New! Shiny!"

8 left such a bad taste in people's mouths, they're desperate for something that hearkens back to 7, which was hailed as the second coming.

I don't mind 8, but I ran it with Classic Shell. Wouldn't have run it without it.


I have several machines running 7 throughout the house. They'll all get upgraded to 10.
It's certainly what I've been waiting for to upgrade the stragglers.

8 was fine. A lot of improvements over 7 (e.g. USB pause + resume transferring, fast boot, better automated OS cleanup through scheduled tasks).

I think finally the 7 users are realizing they can benefit 8's improvements because they never truly used it.
 
Is it possible to format my PC for a fresh install of windows 10 instead of just upgrading it? I usually prefer starting fresh when I install a new Windows to my PC.
 
Xbox streaming is a nice feature

don't really care about the rest. if my stuff works I'm happy.

It is if your network can support it. Most people will have to upgrade their home network to appreciate it. A lot of slow router CPUs out there.

Those router manufacturers are making a killing out there with their marked up prices.
 
You have to run the upgrade initially.

After that, do as you will.

That said, I'm running it upgraded, and it's amazing. (And I have a lot of stuff installed.)

You can run the upgrade now? I thought we have to wait until the 29th?

Once upgraded, is there a way to just remove all the Windows 7 stuff without formatting the HDD?

Also, screen looks quite nice. I might need to start looking into more things about Windows 10. I'm........actually excited :)
 
You can run the upgrade now? I thought we have to wait until the 29th?

Once upgraded, is there a way to just remove all the Windows 7 stuff without formatting the HDD?

Also, screen looks quite nice. I might need to start looking into more things about Windows 10. I'm........actually excited :)

If you weren't an insider, I'd just wait at this point, if you want to make sure you get your upgrade processed correctly.

The upgrade process creates a Windows.old folder. When you're sure you don't want to roll back, delete it (or run drive cleanup, which will suggest deleting it.) (my folder is 15GB)
 
Windows 10 feels underwhelming.

Mainly, it's an upgrade from Windows 8.1 that adds:

1. AI voice assistant Cortana
2. New Internet Browser called Edge
3. Start menu UI

There's another security improvement under the hood that's different from Windows 8.1.

Still though.

Not sure where the hype is.

Perhaps later when the updates cycle churn out like the Xbox One's is when the fun begins.



Read the user agreement.

Maybe drivers will change later, but no word on that yet.
Wasn't Windows 7 basically just a slight upgrade from Windows Vista?
 
Windows 10 feels underwhelming.

Mainly, it's an upgrade from Windows 8.1 that adds:

1. AI voice assistant Cortana
2. New Internet Browser called Edge
3. Start menu UI

There's another security improvement under the hood that's different from Windows 8.1.

Still though.

Not sure where the hype is.

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Wasn't Windows 7 basically just a slight upgrade from Windows Vista?

Slight would be an understatement as it also had performance improvements.

I guess Edge is supposed to be the performance improving feature in 10.


Somehow my cynical opinion says it's all marketing.

Hasn't every DirectX always been somewhat disappointing?

The last time I was impressed was when J Allard was on the team demoing XNA.

That was how many years ago?
 
Not being able to stop videocard driver updates is a big problem. Might hold off until a workaround shows up or it gets patched. I don't care too much if Microsoft wants to force windows patches but third party stuff needs to be left alone and up to the user.

I'm not sure how it would store the files needed to do the refresh while completely formatting the drive.

So no, but in answer to my previous question about this, the MS employee says it's just as good as a clean install.

Provided your SSD controller doesn't have problems, this should be sufficient.

That said, if you really want a clean install, take the upgrade and burn an ISO and get

The windows reset isn't as good as a proper fresh install. I had a bad install of windows 8 on a laptop and the problems remained when using the option. It basically uses a disc image to restore windows that's been reset, not necessarily purified.
 
Slight would be an understatement as it also had performance improvements.

I guess Edge is supposed to be the performance improving feature in 10.



Somehow my cynical opinion says it's all marketing.

Hasn't every DirectX always been somewhat disappointing?

The last time I was impressed was when J Allard was on the team demoing XNA.

That was how many years ago?
Nah, DirectX is great. If it wasn't, we'd still be running Glide, OpenGL, S3 MeTaL or any number of other custom API's.

The windows reset isn't as good as a proper fresh install. I had a bad install of windows 8 on a laptop and the problems remained when using the option. It basically uses a disc image to restore windows that's been reset, not necessarily purified.

I asked this question to an MS employee, he stated that if you tell it to delete everything, it's as good as a clean install.
He could be shilling, but I'll take him at his word for now. I have no desire to wipe my current installation.

Perhaps they improved the feature since 8?

Edit: Great link VVV
 
The windows reset isn't as good as a proper fresh install. I had a bad install of windows 8 on a laptop and the problems remained when using the option. It basically uses a disc image to restore windows that's been reset, not necessarily purified.

That's because Windows 8's reinstall doesn't rebuild the same way as Windows 10 does.

http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/03/16/how-windows-10-achieves-its-compact-footprint/

We are also redesigning Windows’ Refresh and Reset functionalities to no longer use a separate recovery image (often preinstalled by manufacturers today) in order to bring Windows devices back to a pristine state.

In other words, the OS can rebuild itself without depending on a static image.

Without a separate recovery image, the Refresh and Reset functionalities will instead rebuild the operating system in place using runtime system files. Not only does this take up less disk space, it also means you will not have a lengthy list of operating system updates to reinstall after recovering your device.

Supposedly, users who use the reset feature will not have to install a bajillion Windows Updates on first boot.

Nah, DirectX is great. If it wasn't, we'd still be running Glide, OpenGL, S3 MeTaL or any number of other custom API's.

I asked this question to an MS employee, he stated that if you tell it to delete everything, it's as good as a clean install.
He could be shilling, but I'll take him at his word for now. I have no desire to wipe my current installation.

Perhaps they improved the feature since 8?

He's not shilling because Microsoft has been experimenting since Windows 8.1 Update 1 on how to compact the OS footprint with recovery options. Driving factor was Chromebooks and tablets since Chrome OS + Android can be installed as little as 8GB/16GB.

Read up on WIMBOOT. It allows 16GB devices a lot more room than a traditional installation.

Windows 10 effectively transfers its advantages for larger installations benefiting everyone.
 
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