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[Gurish]

Too late for PC or Ps4.

day Xone for me

How can it be too late for PC? it's the best possible scenario, we all knew it's exclusive for 2015, early 2016 is as best as it can be.
PS4 thought is indeed very late, to the point of little effect on overall sales for this game probably.

 

[Rembrandt]

This is not what you asked first, and not what I replied to.

Anyway.

I didn't ask anything first. You replied to me saying that Bioshock on 360 outsold the PS3 version by saying not outside of the UK/US. I really doubt that. I doubt that there's a big enough audience outside of those two regions for that to do so. Don't be dismissive when you haven't even made a point.

 

[Frostinferno]

Would be funny if lifetime sales on Ps4 end up sneaking past XB1.

As long as the Ps4 version is released in a polished state with all updates, I can live with the wait. Not happy with the practice though, and Square is doing the same with FF7 too.

 

[dealer-]

One word: Worldwide. Germany and other countries will buy the game in 2016 for PC/PS4. Only in the US/UK the deal will have a big impact. In the rest of the world people will simply wait because they don't care about the X1 version anyway.

Maybe it will be the Game of the Year edition on PS4? Would probably need to be if they are going to charge $60 for a year old game.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

It's laugh out loud worthy to consider that Naughty Dog might theoretically be capable of releasing a game that isn't an absolute home run?

It is because it's simply not going to happen. In my opinion -

Uncharted - 9/10
Uncharted 2 - 9.5/10
Uncharted 3 - 9/10
The Last of Us - 9.5/10

Going by just the Uncharted franchise and especially if it really is the last one, I easily see Uncharted 4 matching Uncharted 2, at least for me anyway. Naughty Dog is going to make damn sure that this franchise goes all out if it's truly the end.

Naughty Dog is arguably the best developer in the industry and at the very least, definitely top five or better. Tomb Raider is going to be good but it's not going to be in the same class as Uncharted 4. Sad part is that I think the game is going to underperform sales wise and Crystal Dynamics is going to take the fall for it.

Great move by SE to take the huge lump sum of money but it could and probably will turn out to be a disaster for Microsoft. What would truly be funny is if the PS4 version a year later outsells the Xbox One version at launch. That would be fucking hilarious.

 

[Apathy]

Man, if S-E thought the reboot didn't sell to their expectations, good luck with this. A year release after and competing with whatever new games will be out in the holiday 2016 season, the sales are going to suffer.

 

[FLAguy954]

I remain convinced this is not going to play out well for SE or the title but we'll see.

Making the majority of your existing install base wait is a risky move IMHO.

Last time I checked, Tomb Raider sold more on PC. The majority of console players do prefer to play Tomb Raider on Playstation platforms judging by previous sales however.

 

[Sorc3r3r]

It is a long wait on ps4.

I think it will do very poor numbers and go very cheap very fast on the sony box.

 

[Neff]

I enjoyed the original a lot, and I plan to buy a Xbox One this year, but I think I'll wait. I'm willing to bet that the PS4 version will be better, even if it only amounts to a resolution boost.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

So you are arguing semantics... jesus christ.

Semantics can be tiresome, but I also think having some mutual understanding of terms is beneficial. You know, at least being in the same ball park. You think I'm being silly or obtuse, but I'm trying to understand the expectations some people have for this title. When we say "nobody", what do we mean? Only thousands? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands?

How would you feel if I countered with "you guys don't know what you're talking about, this game is going to sell a shit ton of copies" and then refused to clarify what ballpark I'm in when I say "shit ton"?

 

[etta]

A big release like this being on a single next gen console that happens to be Microsoft's own for what will amount to an entire year isn't news Microsoft is likely to be pissed off with.

No, I think this was Microsoft's doing.
1. It is very, very likely that they had a paragraph in their contract about when to announce the other versions being up to Microsoft and not Square Enix
2. My theory is that there might have been a lot of people who, up until now, were saying "Oh this game is releasing on PS4 for sure, it will probably not even take long, like 3-6 months tops. I will wait for that, no need to get it on my Xbox One or get an Xbox One system for it." But now, given the long ass duration, some of those people will go "Goddamn, that's a long ass time, that's like 7 dog years, I guess I'll either put up with the wait or get it on my Xbox One or get an Xbox One for it".

 

[KageMaru]

That sucks, I was hoping it would launch early 2016 on the PS4.

 

[Fathom]

Wow 1 year exclusivity is some crazy shit.

 

[Toki767]

No, I think this was Microsoft's doing.
1. It is very, very likely that they had a paragraph in their contract about when to announce the other versions being up to Microsoft and not Square Enix
2. My theory is that there might have been a lot of people who, up until now, were saying "Oh this game is releasing on PS4 for sure, it will probably not even take long, like 3-6 months tops. I will wait for that, no need to get it on my Xbox One or get an Xbox One system for it." But now, given the long ass duration, some of those people will go "Goddamn, that's a long ass time, that's like 7 dog years, I guess I'll either put up with the wait or get it on my Xbox One or get an Xbox Pne for it".

Yep. I think this announcement was to get people who were waiting on the PS4 version to be announced to jump in by announcing a year wait.

 

[Yurikerr]

I think everyone agrees that the game will sell a reasonable amount of copies when it finally launch on ps4.

If the number will be big or small will be determined by some factors (addictional DLC, price point, competition).

I think the big question here is if the late launch numbers + MS money from the agreement will offset the lost sales if the game launched day 1 on Ps4.

Now that they don't have U4 launching next to it i think the answer may be more difficult

 

[n0razi]

ill take the free PS+ version in 2017

 

[PhatSaqs]

Yep. I think this announcement was to get people who were waiting on the PS4 version to be announced to jump in by announcing a year wait.

If this was the case, why not wait to announce until a week or two before the games actual release for maximum damage?

 

[Somnia]

One word: Worldwide. Germany and other countries will buy the game in 2016 for PC/PS4. Only in the US/UK the deal will have a big impact. In the rest of the world people will simply wait because they don't care about the X1 version anyway.

They've also been retweeting about it today. Mainly how they have a 1 year console exclusive. They obviously knew this was coming and are using it.

 

[Toki767]

If this was the case, why not wait to announce until a week or two before the games actual release?

Pre-order numbers probably matter to them?

 

[Rembrandt]

If this was the case, why not wait to announce until a week or two before the games actual release for maximum damage?

Probably wouldn't boost sales as much as it would now, especially if they're trying to persuade people into being multiple console owners.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

As long as the Ps4 version is released in a polished state with all updates, I can live with the wait. Not happy with the practice though, and Square is doing the same with FF7 too.

Did I miss something?

They haven't said shit about FF7:Re.
Sure, there's all kinds of speculation (i.e., it will be timed-exclusive, like ROTR, or Sony is helping to fund/develop it, so life-time exclusive, etc.), but nothing concrete at this point. Kagari mentioned that, from what she'd heard, it would be a similar situation to Street Fighter V, but yeah... nothing officially announced yet.

 

[slavesnyder]

I didn't ask anything first. You replied to me saying that Bioshock on 360 outsold the PS3 version by saying not outside of the UK/US. I really doubt that. I doubt that there's a big enough audience outside of those two regions for that to do so. Don't be dismissive when you haven't even made a point.

Sorry but you don't get it.
Bioshock WW more on X360 (agree)
Bioshock US/UK more on X360 (agree)
Bioshock rest of the world more on PS3. That was my guess. Of course Bioshock was more popular in US, but i never questioned that.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Can just see it now.

Tomb Raider November 8th on PS4.

Last week in October - Games with gold are delighted to announced that the hit game Tomb Raider is coming free to Games with Gold for all gold members. It'll be available for the first half of November

They'll be giving it away during this November's fire sale as a 'free game choice' with the Halo Bundle (got to get it in the NPD top 10 somehow) anyway.

Definitely not. The Saturn released in 95. TR came in 96, TR2 in '97. Dreamcast was 2 years later in 99.

Saturn was a piece of shit to develop 3D games for - and I'm pretty sure the version of TR2 would have been rough as hell, if not impossible - sales were dropping through the floor by then, so I expect Core Design didn't need a great deal of persuasion to drop the Saturn and N64 versions.

 

[Chobel]

OK, my problem with it is that I think there needs to be at least a little care. "Nobody" should not -- in my mind -- simply be "significantly less people" unless that number of people is actually a negligible amount. I argued that I understood that people weren't actually arguing that it meant "literally zero people will buy this," but even in the figurative sense, I'm thinking that "nobody" signifies that it's such a negligible amount that they might as well not release it at all because the number of interested consumers just won't make the port worthwhile. I reject the notion that it can represent some arbitrarily determined, relatively low number.

"Nobody" for me is less than 500K for 2016, less than 1m LTD. (PS4 version of course)

 

[LUXURY]

Lol this kind of shit is so so petty.

As are most of the people that complained about it to begin with.

 

[Slayven]

Will be interesting to keep track of, what with ps4 killing it for 3rd parties

 

[VolticArchangel]

PS4 might be too crowded during that window, so people who are looking forward to this game and got a PC, have a good timeframe to pick it up. Rare Replay, Gears UE, MGSV, Halo 5, Forza 6 and Fallout 4 will take the most of times this fall on Xbox One.

Also, interesting thing to note is that there's no mention of the PS3 anywhere. Are we to assume Nixxes are only doing the X360 version ?

 

[etta]

Pre-order numbers probably matter to them?

Probably wouldn't boost sales as much as it would now, especially if they're trying to persuade people into being multiple console owners.

Precisely this.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I'll be getting it for X1 but I have to say I'm not a fan of timed exclusives on any platform, it's short sighted and not beneficial long term, especially when you are in a position of lagging behind the competition. You need to build portfolios that can be reognised with the brand and I think Lara would of been good for Xbox just like Nathan Drake is for Playstation.

I'm still waiting for these new blockbuster ips, we had quite a few last gen but now it just seems to be sequels of some franchises that I thought were milked.

 

[Vire]

Semantics can be tiresome, but I also think having some mutual understanding of terms is beneficial. You know, at least being in the same ball park. You think I'm being silly or obtuse, but I'm trying to understand the expectations some people have for this title. When we say "nobody", what do we mean? Only thousands? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands?

How would you feel if I countered with "you guys don't know what you're talking about, this game is going to sell a shit ton of copies" and then refused to clarify what ballpark I'm in when I say "shit ton"?

Hundreds of thousands, if not a little under a million rather than millions it would have gotten otherwise.

It should be noted that even 800,000 would probably be considered an immense flop for a AAA game of this magnitude with this kind of budget. Without knowing what Microsoft paid Square Enix for this exclusivity deal it's impossible to say whether or not the trade off was worth it, but sacrificing a market with an install base of 20+ million units doesn't sound particularly business savvy to me.

 

[AgentP]

I hope MS is paying big, staggering front loaded releases is dangerous. If the hype dies down, all late version will sell like crap.

I didn't like the last TR, so I'm not really going to look closely at this one until the bargain bin.

 

[Doffen]

I'll wait for the iOS version.

 

[PaRappa]

I would be very surprised if that happened. I know the ps4 has the bigger user base, but the NDC is $60 and has the multiplayer cut out of it. I would put my money on Lara.

It would be awesome to see these titles go head to head.

NDC is three games and immense value even for $60. About a third of PS4 owners are former 360 owners. The sell through for the consoles could be 2.5-3:1 by Holiday 2015.

TLOU remaster was a chart topping number 1 seller (in Europe) and one of the highest selling games on the system at the time. NDC has the potential to eclipse that.

Im a PS4 owner who wants to see the Xbone do better. I think this is a decent win for MS but it will cost them a ton and I don't think it will sell systems. I think most people know a PC/PS4 version will be here 6 months later and will wait. If they had locked this title down as a Titanfall style exclusive then they had a chance. Im not sure why they chose to cheapen out here. It should either be a full exclusive or not an exclusive at all.

 

[Rembrandt]

Sorry but you don't get it.
Bioshock WW more on X360 (agree)
Bioshock US/UK more on X360 (agree)
Bioshock rest of the world more on PS3. That was my guess. Of course Bioshock was more popular in US, but i never questioned that.

Oh, why even butt in with this then besides to argue? My only point was that Bioshock on 360 outsold the PS3 version. I mentioned nobody about region split until you brought it up.

 

[TomShoe]

Semantics can be tiresome, but I also think having some mutual understanding of terms is beneficial. You know, at least being in the same ball park. You think I'm being silly or obtuse, but I'm trying to understand the expectations some people have for this title. When we say "nobody", what do we mean? Only thousands? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands?

How would you feel if I countered with "you guys don't know what you're talking about, this game is going to sell a shit ton of copies" and then refused to clarify what ballpark I'm in when I say "shit ton"?

I'm glad you guys are taking this bullet for us.

What bullet? Even though we're talking in exaggerated terms, I think everyone discussing this implicitly understands that enough people are going to buy the PS4 port for the cost of porting to be worthwhile, otherwise why bother porting it all? Steve is absolutely right, there is a market for this, albeit theoretically a small one. That's all TR PS4 needs. We're just arguing over the use of arbitrary descriptors. If anyone paid attention to the context behind why we used "nobody," then we wouldn't be having this discussion. "Nobody" buying Jet Set Radio 2 is different from "Nobody" buying Tomb Raider PS4. 0 people are going to buy JSR2 because it doesn't exist. People are going to buy Tomb Raider PS4, but the use of the word "nobody" is valid because it's going to be such a small market in comparison to the size of the market who are going to own it on other platforms. It's all about context.

 

[privitsan02]

Maybe it will be the Game of the Year edition on PS4? Would probably need to be if they are going to charge $60 for a year old game.

That's assuming it wins many Game of the Year awards in a year against Batman Arkham Knight, Bloodborne, Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. It will likely just be a Remix Edition or PlayStation edition with exclusive PS4 content to make up for the delay. I don't think it'll be at $40 as none of their remastered or Type 0 were, however that would be the logical thing to do.

Best wishes.

 

[etta]

I hope MS is paying big, staggering front loaded releases is dangerous. If the hype dies down, all late version will sell like crap.

I didn't like the last TR, so I'm not really going to look closely at this one until the bargain bin.

I am sure Square Enix has more MBA's on the payroll than the "armchair" ones on gaming forums.

 

[RoadHazard]

A year late it better fucking be like $30, otherwise screw that game. There will be zero excitement for the game at that point, and I'm definitely not paying full price for some year-old dusty game.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Probably wouldn't boost sales as much as it would now, especially if they're trying to persuade people into being multiple console owners.

Eh I disagree with that. I think more people will wait and buy when the game is closer to release/being marketed/bundled, etc. We see this effect all the time where the month of a games release will boost console sales. "Announcing" the PS4 version wont come until a year later then would have been better assuming it was planned IMO.

 

[Corpekata]

That's assuming it wins many Game of the Year awards in a year against Batman Arkham Knight, Bloodborne, Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. It will likely just be a Remix Edition or PlayStation edition with exclusive PS4 content to make up for the delay. I don't think it'll be at $40, however that would be the logical thing to do.

Best wishes.

Publishers don't really give much of a shit if a game actually wins any GOTY awards when they make their GOTY editions.

 

[xxracerxx]

That's assuming it wins many Game of the Year awards in a year against Batman Arkham Knight, Bloodborne, Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. It will likely just be a Remix Edition or PlayStation edition with exclusive PS4 content to make up for the delay. I don't think it'll be at $40 as none of their remastered or Type 0 were, however that would be the logical thing to do.

Best wishes.

That doesn't matter when titling your compilation GotY Edition.

Worst nightmares.

 

[hawk2025]

I am sure Square Enix has more MBA's on the payroll than the "armchair" ones on gaming forums.

I actually very much doubt that.

And this "company knows best" type of argument is not very conducive to discussion, now is it? We can use it for anything.

 

[eerik9000]

That's assuming it wins many Game of the Year awards in a year against Batman Arkham Knight, Bloodborne, Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. It will likely just be a Remix Edition or PlayStation edition with exclusive PS4 content to make up for the delay. I don't think it'll be at $40 as none of their remastered or Type 0 were, however that would be the logical thing to do.

Best wishes.

It doesn't have to win any game of the year award to have a GOTY release. It's just a marketing phrase.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Hmm to wait for PC or jump in on X1.
Decisions decisions.

 

[KainXVIII]

Only several month to wait for best version? Nice!

 

[Goodacre0081]

my question is why was this announced today? people hounded SE/MS for answers when the game was announced and nothing was really said. what has changed?

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Dunno rather to get it on XB1 and play it a year in advance or wait to get the, very likely better, PS4 version.

The main issue of waiting is spoilers.

What do you believe is going to happen in the story that means the game will be ruined if you find out what happened? The bear turns out to be Lara's father? It's actually set in the future and is a found memory being played through VR by Lara's great great great not-so-great great granddaughter? Each level is set inside a colossal beast which you have to kill to bring your dad/bear back to life after killing him earlier by accident - and doing so makes you really sad?

 

[cripterion]

Will it run on DX12?

 

[Rembrandt]

What bullet?

arguing with the mod about his semantics post. I was going to do it but decided against it.

Eh I disagree with that. I think more people will wait and buy when the game is closer to release/being marketed/bundled, etc. We see this effect all the time where the month of a games release will boost console sales.

Not saying they won't, but it's better for them to know now so they can get the idea of owning a XB1 in their head. Especially if they keep advertising the games they have dropping in the fall. If people hear this now, get interested in the XB1 then MS has a new audience tuning into Gamescom, they have new people interested in their commercials and releases for the fall. It's all a lead up to the game launching, along with people being able to get their financial situation right.

I actually very much doubt that.

And this "company knows best" type of argument is not very conducive to discussion, now is it? We can use it for anything.

I don't. This is the same forum that has tons of people that will really argue that competition in the gaming field is bad and Sony should be the only one making a console.

 

[Shmeagatory94]

Im not too bothered by this since Im not dying to play Tomb Raider lol but this does suck for PS4 owners who are waiting.