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[justgames7604]

None. That was kind of my point, you know?

You're right, actually. In this case, the fault lies with the OP choosing such a click-bait title. I guess my general distrust in the man is a reaction to the many people who act like everything he says is pure Revelation, then post threads like this whenever he says something non-committal about a subject.

Yes, people make stupid threads like this. This is literally a thread about nothing. Phil isn't god incarnate and people should stop hanging off every damn word he says. He is basically always expressing his opinion. A new thread every time like this one is very necessary.
I don't understand why every time he says that Phil says he likes something it deserves a new thread.

 

[Majine]

IF he really is such a genuine guy then how about erasing the Indie parity clause?

Oh yeah how about that poor phantom dust dev?

Oh and again what about TR?

Oh and ..... want me to continue?

Wat.

What does this have to do with being dishonest?

 

[ps3ud0]

The fans desperately want to believe, and they need someone to project their hopes onto. And who else is there? From what I've seen, Spencer is just very good at corporate-speak, at least to fool lots of people. There is something deeply dishonest about him.

I dont think hes dishonest, just very well PR trained (he got to being the head of Xbox somehow as well), so that the way he answers allows people to make inferences that likely arent there. Theres always some leeway in his answers. My presumption is you think hes dishonest because he allows that to happen pretty much all the time, ultimately thats PR for you and thats part of his job.

Just look at the OP for a prime example of that, where he doesnt say anything more than that 'its a good question and they need to think about it more and watch this space'. Yet theres a thread titled 'Phil Spencer talks about unlocking the Xbox 360' when he didnt even say anything...

Because backwards compatibility didn't happen right?

#IbelieveinSpencer

See this reply is what I dont get, one of the many things he 'says' bore fruit, how does make this a valid argument against others that feel a lot of what he says doesnt amount to much rather than concretes their opinion?

ps3ud0 8)

 

[Montresor]

Like the way he answers questions with empty words that sound nice pretty much every time.

Have you checked his twitter feed? I don't actually care about his Twitter but I went ahead and checked his twitter to see how valid this concept is of him answering every question with empty words. There are retweets from Major Nelson, retweets of fans taking pictures of him, him congratulating someone for losing weight on Xbox Fitness, him linking to articles about Windows 10 and Xbox integration.

I don't get the vitriol. Phil's twitter seems to have a lot of the usual social media content in it, and then there's the occasional one-on-one interaction between himself and a fan, like with the OP's tweet. The OP makes an entire thread on a pointless tweet - it's true the tweet says nothing really, but why is Phil obligated to make a committal answer to that question? He saw a fan ask a question on twitter and he let the fan know he's listening. Would it be better if he ignored the fan, or made a cold "no comment" tweet?

 

[mocolostrocolos]

Huh, that's it? This very different from what they talked about two years ago.

Yes, that's it.

I think they gave an explanation about that sometime last year.

 

[KageMaru]

Like the way he answers questions with empty words that sound nice pretty much every time.

I think people look too much into responses at times. The decision isn't his alone for any of the questions people ask. Plus it's easy to get in trouble on social media when representing a company or department. I wouldn't expect many direct responses on twitter for questions like this.

 

[Newtype-001]

The only thing i can account spencer for being dishonest on is the parity clause where he says theyve been transparent but clearly they haven't. Other than that hes just a very well spoken PR guy who's got a job to do.

 

[Three]

I don't dislike the guy per se, but I do find the fan reception to him a bit weird. The way I see it, he came into post and made a bunch of incredibly obvious changes to the Xbone and all of a sudden everyone considers him the saviour of Xbox because he got rid of Kinect and dropped the price.

Not forgetting of course that he was in charge of their development studios from 2009-2014, which was a pretty shitty period for first party development compared to anything which came before.

That being said, some of the Xbone stuff like BC, streaming to PC and the value in products like Rare Replay and MCC is commendable. When they're on the back foot and struggling to remain relevant they've made some good decisions.

There is nothing commendable about the MCC situation. CGI trailer at E3, Your journey will begin in 2014. Later... Oh, it's the old games. Then under Phil they decide to release the game in the state that it is.

 

[Montresor]

None. That was kind of my point, you know?

You're right, actually. In this case, the fault lies with the OP choosing such a click-bait title. I guess my general distrust in the man is a reaction to the many people who, like OP, post threads like this whenever he says something non-committal about an interesting subject.

EDIT: NVM, forgot about the whole "there is no parity-clause" thing. My mistrust is fairly well-founded after all.

How convenient that you remembered that. "Aw shucks... I immediately assumed Phil Spencer is at fault for the creation of thread, due to my inherent distrust in his policies. Looks like in this case I was in the wrong, since really the OP is at fault for this thread - hold the phone, hold the phone, wait a minute, that's right, Phil said "I think the parity clause is gone" even though it isn't! HAH! My original hunch was justified!"

 

[mocolostrocolos]

The only thing i can account spencer for being dishonest on is the parity clause where he says theyve been transparent but clearly they haven't. Other than that hes just a very well spoken PR guy who's got a job to do.

The TR exclusivity deal was a bit confusing.

But there's a difference between being dishonest and shady or not-so-clear.

 

[Chobel]

Yes, that's it.

I think they gave an explanation about that sometime last year.

Do you have a link? I surprised there's no fuss about it.

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

Have you checked his twitter feed? I don't actually care about his Twitter but I went ahead and checked his twitter to see how valid this concept is of him answering every question with empty words. There are retweets from Major Nelson, retweets of fans taking pictures of him, him congratulating someone for losing weight on Xbox Fitness, him linking to articles about Windows 10 and Xbox integration.

I don't get the vitriol. Phil's twitter seems to have a lot of the usual social media content in it, and then there's the occasional one-on-one interaction between himself and a fan, like with the OP's tweet. The OP makes an entire thread on a pointless tweet - it's true the tweet says nothing really, but why is Phil obligated to make a committal answer to that question? He saw a fan ask a question on twitter and he let the fan know he's listening. Would it be better if he ignored the fan, or made a cold "no comment" tweet?

I've already addressed this. But the stuff you list really don't make me feel better about him; sounds like your typical PR guy, just like Nelson. I really don't see what people like so much about him.

I mean, compared to Mattirck, he's practically Jesus, sure. However, when you look at Sony and Nintendo, who has guys like Shu and Iwata(until recently) handling a lot of their interaction with fans, he doesn't seem at all genuine to me.

How convenient that you remembered that. "Aw shucks... I immediately assumed Phil Spencer is at fault for the creation of thread, due to my inherent distrust in his policies. Looks like in this case I was in the wrong, since really the OP is at fault for this thread - hold the phone, hold the phone, wait a minute, that's right, Phil said "I think the parity clause is gone" even though it isn't! HAH! My original hunch was justified!"

I remembered when reading Yjynx's post immediately after posting. Of course the OP is at fault in this case, but that doesn't make my negative attitude towards Phil Spencer unfounded.

 

[Montresor]

I've already addressed this. But the stuff you list really don't make me feel better about him; sounds like your typical PR guy, just like Nelson. I really don't see what people like so much about him.

I mean, compared to Mattirck, he's practically Jesus, sure. However, when you look at Sony and Nintendo, who has guys like Shu and Iwata(until recently) handling a lot of their interaction with fans, he doesn't seem at all genuine to me.

That's not what I meant. I wasn't trying to make the point that this list of various tweets should make you feel better about him or make him out to be a good guy.

I was just pointing out that he doesn't _only_ go around on twitter making empty promises. He does various things on twitter (doesn't matter to me if they are good or bad) and he just happens to have occasional one-on-one interactions with fans. Those interactions aren't meant to be official announcements, so the fact that we didn't get a legitimate answer to the question "Will 360 be usable once XBL goes down" isn't that much of a shame - Phil isn't obligated to give a real answer to that question.

 

[Occam]

I dont think hes dishonest, just very well PR trained

These two traits aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, they seem complement each other well.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

There is nothing commendabke about the MCC situation. CGI trailer at E3, Your journey will begin in 2014. Later... Oh, it's the old games. Then under Phil they decide to release the game in the state that it is.

Of course I wasn't referring to its technical state. Just that they were trying to offer really good value for money for consumers, but obviously that was eclipsed by its issues. Maybe it was just a poor example.

 

[Hyun Sai]

I really don't get this whole Phil Spencer is saving Xbox thing.

I haven't seen him demonstrate that.

Xbox One was beyond saving. Phil is only there to mitigate the damage and carry on to the next generation.

 

[Chobel]

The TR exclusivity deal was a bit confusing.

But there's a difference between being dishonest and shady or not-so-clear.

He was dishonest about parity clause in his latest interview about it. He said parity clause is no more, however it's still there.

 

[The Flash]

I like Phil as much as the next guy but do we really need to make a thread every time he tweets back at someone?

 

[SprachBrooks]

Fucking LOL. Perfection.

 

[ultratruman]

Has Phil considered being a politician ?

That 'I Believe In Phil Spencer' meme always seemed half-ironic.

 

[mocolostrocolos]

Do you have a link? I surprised there's no fuss about it.

Wait, I might be wrong about this. I recall reading about it sometime last year or early this one, but only I could find was this:

http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/4/8149315/microsoft-xbox-one-apps-sdk-developers

This is a recent aritcle regarding Apps.

And this:

http://www.polygon.com/2015/2/17/8051525/xbox-one-dev-kit-retail-app-development-universal

So, don't take what I said previously.

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

That's not what I meant. I wasn't trying to make the point that this list of various tweets should make you feel better about him or make him out to be a good guy.

I was just pointing out that he doesn't _only_ go around on twitter making empty promises. He does various things on twitter (doesn't matter to me if they are good or bad) and he just happens to have occasional one-on-one interactions with fans. Those interactions aren't meant to be official announcements, so the fact that we didn't get a legitimate answer to the question "Will 360 be usable once XBL goes down" isn't that much of a shame - Phil isn't obligated to give a real answer to that question.

I really don't see what that has to do with the post you quoted, but sure. I was specifically referring to the way he answers questions from fans, not addressing his Twitter activity in general.

 

[pikablu]

I want to know what will happen with indie games that are clearly offline but are only playable if you are signed in to xbox live.

 

[mocolostrocolos]

He was dishonest about parity clause in his latest interview about it. He said parity clause is no more, however it's still there.

Didn't they modified it so that indie games that show up on PS4 first can also come to Xbox One after a time?

 

[BriGuy]

I really don't get this whole Phil Spencer is saving Xbox thing.

I haven't seen him demonstrate that.

He seems like a fairly competent guy, which is more than you can say for his predecessor. That said, I never understood the cult of personality surrounding him either. Does anyone have a copy of that "NeoGAF sanctioned" Phil Spencer love letter written in green text on a hideous green background? It's cringe-worthy.

 

[rrc1594]

lol this thread is way of topic

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

Didn't they modified it so that indie games that show up on PS4 first can also come to Xbox One after a time?

Sure.

If they "do something special" for the XB1 version.

IOW: There is still a parity clause.

lol this thread is way of topic

The problem is that there was no topic worth discussing to begin with.

 

[Occam]

do we really need to make a thread every time he tweets back at someone?

There might as well be one all-purpose thread titled "Phil Spencer replies to random question on Twitter in non-committal way".

 

[Steverulez]

IF he really is such a genuine guy then how about erasing the Indie parity clause?

Oh yeah how about that poor phantom dust dev?

Oh and again what about TR?

Oh and ..... want me to continue?


He's just some really good PR guy that some fans desperately push into becoming their saviour.

Dont be stupid and naive.

They paid (presumably) good money for that Tomb Raider deal, its up to them how they how announce details I don't see anything dishonest in it. The game isn't even out and they've clarified PC/PS4 release date plans, just an excuse to whine about it, its business. Its Square's IP, talk to them if you have any problems you can't expect Microsoft not to take a good deal if they see one.

We have one side of the Phantom Dust story, the picture painted puts Microsoft in a poor light and there is no denying that but its one side. It was Microsoft's IP and they have to do what they think is right for it. Maybe they weren't happy with the progress? Unfortunately it happens, Microsoft aren't the only publisher to ever pull a project from a developer

Parity clause, I can't say I've ever been for it nor will I ever be, its something I wish they would change that said there are plenty of indie games on the platform (and coming) and its not entirely clear how it works. One gripe vs other good I think he is doing.

Nice to resort petty insults to back-up your flimsy points though.

 

[ps3ud0]

These two traits aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, they seem complement each other well.

But I wouldnt say either term is interchangeable with the other.

ps3ud0 8)

 

[mocolostrocolos]

Sure.

If they "do something special" for the XB1 version.

IOW: There is still a parity clause.

The problem is that there was no topic worth discussing to begin with.

Well, that parity clause is no more!

Now we have this Brand New Less Abusive Parity Clause!!!

What a mess.

 

[im_dany]

IF he really is such a genuine guy then how about erasing the Indie parity clause?

Oh yeah how about that poor phantom dust dev?

Oh and again what about TR?

Oh and ..... want me to continue?


He's just some really good PR guy that some fans desperately push into becoming their saviour.

Dont be stupid and naive.

He's not the only one making decisions, just like Don Mattrick didn't build Xbox One alone.

Saying he's dishonest because he didn't erase the parity clause or bought TR for a year (which I heard would've been canceled if it wasn't for MS money) is as dumb as saying he's Xbox savior because he made backward compatibility or bought Gears of War IP.

 

[SilentRob]

There is some weird criticism going on in this thread. Spencer anwers the fan's questions on twitter honestly ("We don't know yet, we'll see, thanks for bringing it up") and somehow that's...bad?

If he ignores fan's questions he gets critisized for not listening to the community. If he lied to the community and said "Yeah, we'll definitely do that", there would be shitstorm. Here he says the truth - and that answer isn't too spectacular, really, and gets hate because of that? Why? He simply answered a question on twitter. He didn't decide it should be put on a pedestal and turn into a Gaf-Thread

By the way: The "parity clause" is exactly the same thing Sony does for playstation games, in that the games that arrive later should have some extra content (e.g. Super Time Force Ultra). They don't HAVE to do it...but obviously the plattform holder encourages it. It's exactly the same to how Microsoft handles this stuff and it has always been like that. Remember Bioshock on Playstation 3 and the exclusive challenge rooms they included for the port? It's an industry standard that got some weird traction as being a horrible invention by Microsoft.

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

Well, that parity clause is no more!

Now we have this Brand New Less Abusive Parity Clause!!!

What a mess.

Is the "new" clause really new though? My understanding is that it really hasn't changed.

Of course, the fact that no one from Microsoft is willing to talk about the clause in clear terms means it's kinda hard to keep track of.

 

[cantona222]

What does unlocking exactly mean here?

 

[Poodlestrike]

The Phil Spencer salt in here is overwhelming. It's impressive how little people learned after the BC debacle.

 

[ps3ud0]

What does unlocking exactly mean here?

Secret second dGPU

Spoiler

I dont know

ps3ud0 8)

 

[rrc1594]

The Phil Spencer salt in here is overwhelming. It's impressive how little people learned after the BC debacle.

I love that thread

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

What does unlocking exactly mean here?

Nobody knows. It was an unclear question which received an unclear answer. And now we have a thread.

It could mean anything between "allowing for CFW and full kernel access along with a complete open sourcing of the code" to "allowing people to play their games without checking in with Live".

 

[Poodlestrike]

I love that thread

It was such an amazing crow bump. Shame the thread got locked right after.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I like Phil as much as the next guy but do we really need to make a thread every time he tweets back at someone?

It does get rather redundant. All these threads turn out the same.

People calling him out, and seeing him as nothing more than a corporate mouthpiece, and then fans defending him like he is a family member who saved their puppy from drowning.

In other words, broken records every single time.

 

[EGM1966]

lol at first post.

Guess there wasn't anything else he could say. It was a nothing answer but I doubt he actually has a firm view he could share anyway so it's hardly a surprise.

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

It was such an amazing crow bump. Shame the thread got locked right after.

Do you happen to have a link?

lol at first post.

Guess there wasn't anything else he could say. It was a nothing answer but I doubt he actually has a firm view he could share anyway so it's hardly a surprise.

It's a fine answer, actually. Just really doesn't warrant any attention.

 

[oti]

Phil Spencer doesn't talk about unlocking the Xbox 360

 

[AlimNassor]

After the Don Mattrick / Penello / Yusuf / Hryb PR debacle, MS realized they need a PR savior. Phil "Gaming-related T-Shirt" Spencer became that man for them
And some hardcore fans are pushing him as the "savior" of the brand. Did you notice how you don't hear anything at all from Penello / Yusuf since then? Smart idea imho.

They needed someone that could turn the xbox around. Lets be honest a couple years ago the X1 was a disaster.

 

[dose]

https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/625771006846611456

Sounds interesting. Perhaps you can then use emulators from homebrew developers without manipulating your console.

Translation: We'll do fuck all.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Look at these clowns trying to jumping aboard the Spencer blows hot air train.

Y'all are running after a train that left the station a long, long time ago...

 

[rrc1594]

Look at these clowns trying to jumping aboard the Spencer blows hot air train.

Y'all are running after a train that left the station a long, long time ago...

Where's your hashtag

 

[Poodlestrike]

Do you happen to have a link?

It's a fine answer, actually. Just really doesn't warrant any attention.

Thread

Page of the bump

Even snagged whatever mod made the title change.

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

Look at these clowns trying to jumping aboard the Spencer blows hot air train.

Y'all are running after a train that left the station a long, long time ago...

Friendly, aren't you?

Thread

Page of the bump

Even snagged whatever mod made the title change.

Just read it. To be fair, Spencer's answer was extremely noncommittal. Funny in hindsight, though it doesn't mean anything for whatever else he might say.