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[Go_Ly_Dow]

It was my understanding that she's new to 15, and not apart of the original Versus scenario

which would go against Nomura having the scenario finished in 2010

another key point to make is at some point the scenario must have been heavily adapted as the game went from having planned sequels to a 1 game closed plot. that means more than simply changing the ending of the game.

this isn't defending Tabata or what happened today, but it is a fact and something that is being overlooked by a lot of people.

 

[vainglorious]

He was talking about sequels in 2013.

Ah ok. Thanks.

 

[Liamc723]

In truth no one honestly really knows lol.

The problem with today was that the game had yet another cryptic and unclear PR media session after 9 years.

We all came in expecting a substantial trailer and pieces of info and instead its just more very minor snippets of conceptual information that leaves people second guessing and going mad.

So does that mean the game is further away than we think? As in not releasing in 2016?

 

[Mcdohl]

In truth no one honestly really knows lol.

The problem with today was that the game had yet another cryptic and unclear PR media session after 9 years.

We all came in expecting a substantial trailer and pieces of info and instead its just more very minor snippets of conceptual information that leaves people second guessing and going mad.

Perfect synopsis of this whole event.

Hopefully once they open the forums it will be more clear for them what their fans are actually thinking and expecting.

I'll be at PAX at the end of the month. Should I offer Tabata some Stella beer?

 

[Ray Down]

So does that mean the game is further away than we think? As in not releasing in 2016?

We don't really know, Tabata has said that a date is set and it will be announced later (Most likely TGS, Fall 2016).

its just what they showed today doesn't really inspire confidence in some people.

 

[diesturbia]

In truth no one honestly really knows lol.

The problem with today was that the game had yet another cryptic and unclear PR media session after 9 years.

We all came in expecting a substantial trailer and pieces of info and instead its just more very minor snippets of conceptual information that leaves people second guessing and going mad.

Well said.

 

[Kagari]

So does that mean the game is further away than we think? As in not releasing in 2016?

I'm just confused why they didn't acknowledge a year today. Unless they want to save it for TGS since its their home market?

 

[benzy]

So does that mean the game is further away than we think? As in not releasing in 2016?

http://www.novacrystallis.com/2015/...-65-complete-despite-no-release-announcement/

Tabata said the game is now 65% complete and “all the plans are now solidly in place both for development and marketing. Everything is ‘proceeding very well’ and development is on target.” The game – according to him – is on target for completion.

Additionally, Tabata confirmed the new swamp area shown today – which takes place in the second half of the game – is around 70-80% complete and that there are many parts of the game in the same state.

The launch year still hasn't been announced though...

 

[Koozek]

Final Fantasy XV Director Responds to Criticism for Stella’s Removal; Explains Why Luna Was Chosen:

"Tabata-san mentioned that the theme depicted by the road trip is that of traveling with friends, and also the bond between Noctis and his father, as the car was actually Regis’ ride, and that’s a metaphor for traveling with him.

That said, he clarified that the game is definitely going to depict the bond between men and women as well.

Within the overall theme of the journey, the team reasoned on what position a heroine should take, and thought that rather than having a more passive and weak heroine that needs to be saved, it would be much better to have a stronger and more determined female character, who actively engages with the events in the story, and to play that role they thought they needed a different character than Stella."


Doesn't this imply that Stella was "weak" before in the full story of Versus/early FFXV outside of her few CGI fighting scenes?

 

[Gbraga]

You know, they were planning on showing something at E3 but ended up deciding for Gamescom only. If that's what they had to show at Gamescom, what the fuck did they plan on showing at E3? Sure, you can say that this is precisely the reason they ended up deciding against it, but it shouldn't even be up for consideration. Even if they had just as much content as they have for Gamescom back then, it would still not be nearly enough to justify showing it, let alone less than that. Were they planning on just drinking beer at the stage and saying FUCK YOU GUYS?

What the fuck is wrong with this game's PR department?

rather than having a more passive and weak heroine that needs to be saved, it would be much better to have a stronger and more determined female character, who actively engages with the events in the story, and to play that role they thought they needed a different character than Stella.

Wuuuut, shyamalan.jpg?

 

[LouisaFerre]

Rebranding Versus was a mistake, and Luminous was a mistake too.

They should have kept VsXIII a side entry and released it 2013-2014 as a cross-gen game to hold people over, while developing a brand new FFXV in UE4.

 

[vainglorious]

Maybe because she might've been added inXV and she wasn't in Versus? That still doesn't excuse them not even having an internal name for her though.

Oh okay.

BUT WHAT ABOUT STELLA THEN?! Taking her out and putting characters in that they don't even know what to do with?

I know the Stella train is long gone but I will always keep a candle lit for her I don't care. Ugh.

 

[AESplusF]

Yes, absolutely.

I think a lot of people were expecting a big showing with boats of new gameplay, and then SE showed hardly any gameplay at all, the fact that they skipped E3 so that they would have time to prep comething to show also heightened expectations.

Some of these overreactions are just embarrassing though.

 

[Turin]

Final Fantasy XV Director Responds to Criticism for Stella’s Removal; Explains Why Luna Was Chosen:

Tabata-san mentioned that the theme depicted by the road trip is that of traveling with friends, and also the bond between Noctis and his father, as the car was actually Regis’ ride, and that’s a metaphor for traveling with him.

That said, he clarified that the game is definitely going to depict the bond between men and women as well.

Within the overall theme of the journey, the team reasoned on what position a heroine should take, and thought that rather than having a more passive and weak heroine that needs to be saved, it would be much better to have a stronger and more determined female character, who actively engages with the events in the story, and to play that role they thought they needed a different character than Stella.

 

[benzy]

You know, they were planning on showing something at E3 but ended up deciding for Gamescom only. If that's what they had to show at Gamescom, what the fuck did they plan on showing at E3? Sure, you can say that this is precisely the reason they ended up deciding against it, but it shouldn't even be up for consideration. Even if they had just as much content as they have for Gamescom back then, it would still not be nearly enough to justify showing it, let alone less than that. Were they planning on just drinking beer at the stage and saying FUCK YOU GUYS?

What the fuck is wrong with this game's PR department?

http://www.novacrystallis.com/2015/06/final-fantasy-xv-will-skip-e3-2015-after-all/

Tabata’s reasoning for skipping E3 were simple – he was going to mix in a bunch of old footage but the western branches of the company weren’t too keen on that idea, so the trailer has been scrapped completely.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

LOLOL.

Glad I didn't stay up to watch a trailer and had work all day. What a clusterfuck.

 

[Gbraga]

http://www.novacrystallis.com/2015/06/final-fantasy-xv-will-skip-e3-2015-after-all/

Thank god for the western branches of the company, I couldn't take more Duscae.

 

[vainglorious]

Final Fantasy XV Director Responds to Criticism for Stella’s Removal; Explains Why Luna Was Chosen:

Tabata-san mentioned that the theme depicted by the road trip is that of traveling with friends, and also the bond between Noctis and his father, as the car was actually Regis’ ride, and that’s a metaphor for traveling with him.

That said, he clarified that the game is definitely going to depict the bond between men and women as well.

Within the overall theme of the journey, the team reasoned on what position a heroine should take, and thought that rather than having a more passive and weak heroine that needs to be saved, it would be much better to have a stronger and more determined female character, who actively engages with the events in the story, and to play that role they thought they needed a different character than Stella.

What?

How is Stella drawing her rapier against Noctis and about to throw down with him passive in any way shape or form?

Am I taking crazy pills???

I need a moment.

 

[fertygo]

Oh my, here come the challenger!

 

[CertifiedFP]

Within the overall theme of the journey, the team reasoned on what position a heroine should take, and thought that rather than having a more passive and weak heroine that needs to be saved, it would be much better to have a stronger and more determined female character, who actively engages with the events in the story, and to play that role they thought they needed a different character than Stella.[/I]"

Oh my god, I'm laughing so hard. "Stronger and more determined" is Stella, "Passive and weak... Needs to be saved" is everything we know of Luna so far.

Show; Don't Tell, Tabata.

 

[Setsu00]

Final Fantasy XV Director Responds to Criticism for Stella’s Removal; Explains Why Luna Was Chosen:

"Tabata-san mentioned that the theme depicted by the road trip is that of traveling with friends, and also the bond between Noctis and his father, as the car was actually Regis’ ride, and that’s a metaphor for traveling with him.

That said, he clarified that the game is definitely going to depict the bond between men and women as well.

Within the overall theme of the journey, the team reasoned on what position a heroine should take, and thought that rather than having a more passive and weak heroine that needs to be saved, it would be much better to have a stronger and more determined female character, who actively engages with the events in the story, and to play that role they thought they needed a different character than Stella."


Doesn't this imply that Stella was "weak" before in the full story outside of her few CGI fighting scenes?

It does, yeah, but that's incredibly weird when all we've seen of Luna was her sitting at a table (which is pretty passive) and getting attacked by a soldier and fleeing from him (which again, is pretty passive). Stella at least had a fight scene.

Also I don't understand why the name change was necessary. They obviously felt that Regis's name was fine despite his changed role, so I don't see why changing Stella to Luna seemed logical to them.

 

[TheGreatDirector]

Final Fantasy XV Director Responds to Criticism for Stella’s Removal; Explains Why Luna Was Chosen:

"Tabata-san mentioned that the theme depicted by the road trip is that of traveling with friends, and also the bond between Noctis and his father, as the car was actually Regis’ ride, and that’s a metaphor for traveling with him.

That said, he clarified that the game is definitely going to depict the bond between men and women as well.

Within the overall theme of the journey, the team reasoned on what position a heroine should take, and thought that rather than having a more passive and weak heroine that needs to be saved, it would be much better to have a stronger and more determined female character, who actively engages with the events in the story, and to play that role they thought they needed a different character than Stella."

Doesn't this imply that Stella was "weak" before in the full story of Versus/early FFXV outside of her few CGI fighting scenes?

Weird...

 

[CertifiedFP]

Oh and yeah, how could I forget-

Luna so sound fucking cliche/generic a name compared to Stella as well.

 

[diesturbia]

What?

How is Stella drawing her rapier against Noctis and about to throw down with him passive in any way shape or form?

Am I taking crazy pills???

I need a moment.

Stella could have easily been a damsel in distress later in the game. But who knows.

 

[benzy]

 

[Musolf815]

Oh okay.

BUT WHAT ABOUT STELLA THEN?! Taking her out and putting characters in that they don't even know what to do with?

I know the Stella train is long gone but I will always keep a candle lit for her I don't care. Ugh.

I will probably too, I just can't let it go. You're not alone at least!

And honestly after everything else Tabata has said/lied about I don't buy his reasoning that Stella was weak (although maybe the scenario was way different than the concept trailers).

 

[Mcdohl]

What?

How is Stella drawing her rapier against Noctis and about to throw down with him passive in any way shape or form?

Am I taking crazy pills???

I need a moment.

Because that's ALL we knew about her.

Just because she faces Noctis doesn't mean she can't become a damsel in distress.

 

[Kagari]

Because that's ALL we knew about her.

Just because she faces Noctis doesn't mean she can't become a damsel in distress.

Nah, we knew she was his opposite as the heroine - a character forced to fight against him due to political circumstances.

 

[ED Cantu]

Google this article : Final Fantasy XV Director Responds to Criticism for Stella’s Removal; Explains Why Luna Was Chosen

I didin't read all the comments here, maybe the reason was already been posted in this thread.

So now Tabata is implying that Stella was a weak damsel in distress?

Within the overall theme of the journey, the team reasoned on what position a heroine should take, and thought that rather than having a more passive and weak heroine that needs to be saved, it would be much better to have a stronger and more determined female character, who actively engages with the events in the story, and to play that role they thought they needed a different character than Stella.

Well then if Luna is such a strong character then show it, don't tell us show it, waiting sitting on a chair and being beaten and pushed as a kid is sending the wrong message.
The first time we saw Stella she summoned a magic fleuret and was about to fight against Noctis, the first time we saw Luna she's sitting on a chair looking worried so don't blame the people for assuming certain things.

 

[AESplusF]

Final Fantasy XV Director Responds to Criticism for Stella’s Removal; Explains Why Luna Was Chosen:

"Tabata-san mentioned that the theme depicted by the road trip is that of traveling with friends, and also the bond between Noctis and his father, as the car was actually Regis’ ride, and that’s a metaphor for traveling with him.

That said, he clarified that the game is definitely going to depict the bond between men and women as well.

Within the overall theme of the journey, the team reasoned on what position a heroine should take, and thought that rather than having a more passive and weak heroine that needs to be saved, it would be much better to have a stronger and more determined female character, who actively engages with the events in the story, and to play that role they thought they needed a different character than Stella."


Doesn't this imply that Stella was "weak" before in the full story of Versus/early FFXV outside of her few CGI fighting scenes?

If Stella had turned out passive and Luna proves to be indpendent, wouldn't that be funny. Is Tabata lying?

 

[Pie and Beans]

Wait hang on, are airships really potentially not going to make it in? They said that?

Thats a huge bummer. That was like one of the main "yesssss" bits of info about the original game that felt like the "ah, back to the glory days" kicker.

 

[Koozek]

What?

How is Stella drawing her rapier against Noctis and about to throw down with him passive in any way shape or form?

Am I taking crazy pills???

I need a moment.

Nobody here knows how her full role was in Versus. Just because she could fight and looked like a "fierce" woman doesn't mean that ultimately she couldn't have been a badly written and rather irrelevant role in the overarching story.

I honestly think we're overestimating Nomura's writing skills for Versus before (we all know how the KH series' stories turned out). Tabata and his team seem to have had to think long and hard about what they change, as I'm sure nobody there enjoys having to scrap and redo things.
Maybe the original story just wasn't good and the changes were for the better.

 

[jimmypython]

Final Fantasy XV Director Responds to Criticism for Stella’s Removal; Explains Why Luna Was Chosen:

"Tabata-san mentioned that the theme depicted by the road trip is that of traveling with friends, and also the bond between Noctis and his father, as the car was actually Regis’ ride, and that’s a metaphor for traveling with him.

That said, he clarified that the game is definitely going to depict the bond between men and women as well.

Within the overall theme of the journey, the team reasoned on what position a heroine should take, and thought that rather than having a more passive and weak heroine that needs to be saved, it would be much better to have a stronger and more determined female character, who actively engages with the events in the story, and to play that role they thought they needed a different character than Stella."


Doesn't this imply that Stella was "weak" before in the full story of Versus/early FFXV outside of her few CGI fighting scenes?

How about change the design (just like what they did with Regis) and story but NOT the name? They didn't reveal that much about Stella's original story anyway.

Jeez Tabata.

 

[Meccanical]

Oh and yeah, how could I forget-

Luna so sound fucking cliche/generic a name compared to Stella as well.

Their both equally dumb.

I don't understand the purpose of going from star to moon.

Tabata basically did the equivalent of making a deviantart art OC.

Edit: If your name is actually Stella or Luna and real life or you have a friend or relative with these names I apologize, I don't actually mean it.

 

[benzy]

Because that's ALL we knew about her.

Just because she faces Noctis doesn't mean she can't become a damsel in distress.

This is exactly why it's weird though. They changed the name to Luna and redesigned her because her role in the story changed... but if all we saw was Stella facing off Noctis in Versus XIII, then it still fits with the new Luna role, so the name change was completely unnecessary.

 

[Gbraga]

Oh and yeah, how could I forget-

Luna so sound fucking cliche/generic a name compared to Stella as well.

They changed star for moon. Literally. You can prefer how one sounds over the other, but there's nothing more or less generic about one name over the other.

Stella could have easily been a damsel in distress later in the game. But who knows.

It even makes sense, right? Maybe I'm just letting my head cannon make its work, but I'm considerably certain she was the one Noctis loved, even though they couldn't be together, Romeo & Juliet and all that, while Lunafreya is an arranged marriage. Noctis is more likely to go on a rescue the damsel mission for the one he loves over the one he's supposed to marry for political reasons.

Of course, that could just be Tabata covering his ass too, but the fact is that we don't know enough to say either way. If in the end Luna is just as helpless as many fear, then yeah, we can definitely call bullshit on this.

This is exactly why it's weird though. They changed the name to Luna and redesigned her because her role in the story changed... but if all we saw was Stella facing off Noctis in Versus XIII, then it still fits with the new Luna role, so the name change was completely unnecessary.

With that I agree with, they even look very similar, if at least she was completely different designwise, with black hair or whatever, then sure, people would be more pissed if she was still Stella, but Luna could still be called Stella no matter how much her role changed.

 

[BumRush]

In truth no one honestly really knows lol.

The problem with today was that the game had yet another cryptic and unclear PR media session after 9 years.

We all came in expecting a substantial trailer and pieces of info and instead its just more very minor snippets of conceptual information that leaves people second guessing and going mad.

My biggest problem today was that it somehow had the appearance that they actually took a step.......backwards.

 

[vainglorious]

Nah, we knew she was his opposite as the heroine - a character forced to fight against him due to political circumstances.

My heart, it hurts.

 

[Megidolaon]

Dafuq, now Luna is active and Stella is a damsel? Okaaaaaaay...

 

[Setsu00]

How about change the design (just like what they did with Regis) and story but NOT the name? They didn't reveal that much about Stella's original story anyway.

Jeez Tabata.

It's especially weird considering that Stella looked rather strong...

 

[Jarnet87]

Based on the recap I'm expecting a 2nd re-reveal at E3 2017 or 2018, and still no release date.

 

[xxdoshiyarovexx]

It does, yeah, but that's incredibly weird when all we've seen of Luna was her sitting at a table (which is pretty passive) and getting attacked by a soldier and fleeing from him (which again, is pretty passive). Stella at least had a fight scene.

Also I don't understand why the name change was necessary. They obviously felt that Regis's name was fine despite his changed role, so I don't see why changing Stella to Luna seemed logical to them.

Random thought. Not defending the name change, but from a conceptual side the moon overpowers the sky at night, just as the sun (son) does during the day.

So maybe because secretly luna is a secretly stronger character it made more sense to the dev team? A star is one but many in the sky

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Am I crazy or did Tabata and co. not use the term "blowout" or the Japanese equivalent, when detailing why they would be skipping E3 and getting ready for Gamescom? Could have sworn they did.

That is why people are so angry. If this presentation and trailer was sandwiched between a major E3 showing and a (possibly) big TGS show, people would be pretty pleased. They set up expectations and failed (just like how they originally said they'd show at E3 and backpedaled).

 

[Ahnez]

Final Fantasy XV Director Responds to Criticism for Stella’s Removal; Explains Why Luna Was Chosen:

"Tabata-san mentioned that the theme depicted by the road trip is that of traveling with friends, and also the bond between Noctis and his father, as the car was actually Regis’ ride, and that’s a metaphor for traveling with him.

That said, he clarified that the game is definitely going to depict the bond between men and women as well.

Within the overall theme of the journey, the team reasoned on what position a heroine should take, and thought that rather than having a more passive and weak heroine that needs to be saved, it would be much better to have a stronger and more determined female character, who actively engages with the events in the story, and to play that role they thought they needed a different character than Stella."


Doesn't this imply that Stella was "weak" before in the full story of Versus/early FFXV outside of her few CGI fighting scenes?

Show instead of just telling Tabata

Because, right now, everything you say seems to contradict with what you show

 

[Koozek]

ITT everybody knows the original story and characters better than the current director. Yes, there is a chance that Tabata isn't lying and out of "respect" as he described it in the ATR before gamescom they changed the name to not just alter one of Nomura's creations so heavily.

 

[Mory Dunz]

So let me get this straight. They're going to have to go back and re-render all that CG where the king originally appeared?

Fucking nuts.

What CG? I mean what actually existed with this game?

Besides promotional pre rendered "cool" stuff that wouldn't be in the final game regardless. Solely made for advertisement. Like that Phantom Dust CG trailer. That's how it seems.

 

[Whompa02]

There's really no point in talking about this until more information comes out unfortunately...that's why its so frustrating...I really really hoped for some big info blowout here, but I guess that's going to be for later.

 

[ED Cantu]

I won't believe Tabata's claims that Luna is a strong character that doesn't need help in battle until I saw the character doing something and at this pace I think I'll have to wait some time.

 

[Squire]

I'd almost accept that reasoning if they didn't change the character designs (and the models) all the time. I mean they apparently cut Regis's Roen suit as well and I imagine that this design alone cost them a lot of money.

It isn't black and white like that. Throwing out one thing doesn't mean you throw out the rest and you don't have to keep everything either; You salvage.

Already having built assets is the reasoning. You guys can accept that or not, but that's absolutely something they're dealing with.

 

[Setsu00]

ITT everybody knows the original story and characters better than the current director. Yes, there is a chance that Tabata isn't lying and out of "respect" as he described it in the ATR before gamescom they changed the name to not just alter one of Nomura's creations so heavily.

They had no problem doing the same thing to Regis.