OK this is why I haven't participated in this thread. I appreciate all the armchair analysis, and I seriously only am partially sarcastic, because I want to believe. I just think to attack anybody who is on the edge is unfair and a bad look. The haters are worse though, and everyone should agree regardless of who or what the infraction is here, Goodell is a scumbag.
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OK this is why I haven't participated in this thread. I appreciate all the armchair analysis, and I seriously only am partially sarcastic, because I want to believe. I just think to attack anybody who is on the edge is unfair and a bad look. The haters are worse though, and everyone should agree regardless of who or what the infraction is here, Goodell is a scumbag.
I didn't attack you. I just gave an opinion on why I don't think Brady directed the 2 equipment guys to deflate.
EDIT: Those text messages all are from before the AFCCG, so either they were planning this many, many months in advance, were doing this throughout the season, or the the text had nothing to do with a scheme to deflate footballs at the AFCGG.
Roberto Duran
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According to Daniel Wallach, these are the NFL's evidence for the Jan 18th game:
Roberto Duran
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Andrew Brandt:
What.
What.
haha, yeah ok NFL/Goodell.
Also, I think I need to stop reading through this thread. It's getting my hopes up that the suspension will be reduced or eliminated and I had already accepted he'd be out the first 4 games :/
This has been known for days. Basically "I didn't know he destroyed his phone when I first suspended him. If I had known that, I might have suspended him longer"
NervousXtian
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I hope Brady walks away and the owners turn on Goddell.
The NFL gots nothing.
The NFL gots nothing.
LyleLanley
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Is the NBA not good?
Watt?
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The way the NFL does things is hilarious. They can change the offense being alleged, the evidence being used, the conclusion being drawn, and the punishment being issued... at an appeal hearing.
Maybe tomorrow they'll say "The balls not being deflated, the process being blatantly unfair and Goodell being biased are irrelevant. This was always about one thing: Goodell believes (and his finding of fact cannot be challenged) that Tom Brady's wife is a genie who magically cheated the Patriots to 4 Super Bowl wins. Brady was obliged to turn over any messages or pictures, on his personal, non-league phone, that contain key words such as "Gisele", "genie", "lamp", "bikini", "smoke", etc. He did not do so, and will therefore be suspended for 8 games."
paragonpro
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TwntyOneTwlv
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Brady's gonna walk, justice will be served, Goodell will look like an even bigger fool than he already is, and Pats haters will cry tears of delicious salt.
The standard allows a 1 psi variance and the qb to alter the feel of the ball. It has never been about being on the same playing field.
They even have a totally different field for kickers. It's ridiculous.
Yeah that's different though, all kickers will have the same type of ball. There's a reason the range is only 1 psi. I don't think it makes a difference, but who knows. Funny stat, if its easier to catch and hold the football when deflated why are the drop rates on the pats always so high and why is his int%so low
Here is the NFL's response:
http://ftpcontent3.worldnow.com/wfxt/pdf/nfl-response.pdf
I can't wait to hear what the judge has to say. What a terrible showing by the league.
http://ftpcontent3.worldnow.com/wfxt/pdf/nfl-response.pdf
I can't wait to hear what the judge has to say. What a terrible showing by the league.
Haha. Subscribed.
I'm talking many about fines and 1 game suspensions for so called dirty play here. Suh is reviled in the league and thought as a dirty player. Hes gotten fines for forearm shivers to the back of a QB because lord knows why. Meanwhile well liked players like Clay Mathews can get away with much worse for no or little fine. The NFLPA doesn't say a word it's a freaking joke. You are paid to protect your players equally. Meanwhile they go all in on Brady, Rice, etc threatening to burn the house down.
Pretty much. He's a dictator that does what he wants when he wants and barely follows any set procedure for anything. Lets fine this guy 10k and then this guy 20k for the same action just because. Lets make up rules as I go. Lets suspend a rookie cause he would have been suspended in college who cares if there is a rule on that etc...
I can think of a reason or two why the player's association might not be tripping over itself to fight tooth and nail for a guy whose actions endanger other players.
Suh's suspension reduced to $70,000 fine on appeal
NFLPA fights for the players. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Not every player will choose to fight every penalty, but when they do, the NFLFA backs them.
Bounty gate wasn't on camera and the evidence was spotty at best.
I said bounty gate in response to the idea that the NFLPA didn't want to protect someone trying to injure players.
I also said the suh thing is different because it was on camera in front of millions.
The Maverick
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Patriots are a franchise used to cheating and their fans suck. What's new?
Nothing is new. Trolls are trolls and the Patriots have 4 rings. Suck it.
Back on topic, it seems the NFL is once again trying to dodge the fact there is no evidence in the latest papers filed. I heard from one Lawyer, I forgot his name (not McCann on EEI) that based on the papers filed, the appeal to the second court would be heavily favored to the NFLPA. IF it were to be appealed, there is a chance that the appeal articles in the CBA could be revoked.
There is also a chance this could take 2+ years if appealed. By then, Manning will be out of the league! According to Brady anyways
Megalosaro
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I'll be honest. Until yesterday, I didn't mind Goodell. I even sort of felt sorry for him. Even as a Pats fan, I just sort of thought he was put in a bad position due to Kensil and Troy Vincet et all, where he COULDN'T back down.
But then I read this article.
He can fuck off for all I care. He did this to the league by creating this sort of atmosphere and culture.
But then I read this article.
He can fuck off for all I care. He did this to the league by creating this sort of atmosphere and culture.
And yet were 8 months into an investigation for a minor equipment violation.
Well go ahead and think of an explanation for him deliberately lying (there's no debate anymore that it's what he's done) about Brady's sworn testimony when he thought the testimony was going to be forever sealed.
DrForester
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I think it's less an effort to get to Brady personally. I think this is all just a power grab. This was an opportunity, and he seized upon it. If Goodell can go after one of the leagues biggest players and team, punish them, fine them, and outright lie about them to the media, without any evidence, or anything resembling an impartial or proper investigation, it basically nullifies the agreement with the NFLPA. He will have total control and anyone who steps out of line will be dealt with accordingly.
I think Florio is right and this isn't really an all out attack on Brady as much as it is a referendum on Goodell's right to be judge, jury and executioner.
http://www.talkoffamenetwork.com/deflategate-judges-hands-tied/
Interesting article, though the PR war is being currently won by Brady it is still going to be a challenge for him to win.
Interesting article, though the PR war is being currently won by Brady it is still going to be a challenge for him to win.
Not the NFLPA that was Suh himself.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81cbece0/Suh-s-illegal-hit-on-Cutler
And getting finned 15k for this was a joke. Not once did the NFLPA even utter a peep about it. I'm sorry but they protect the popular kids. Hell the whole NFL protects the popular kids. They get away with a lot more and are never considered for fines on plays they fine someone they consider with a reputation.
Me neither :/
Rabbi_Vole
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How is the PR war being won by Tom?
Every since the transcript of the appeal was made public it has changed the public perception, though i do conceede that Goodell is still up overall in the PR war.
Everyone I know who isn't a pats fan thinks he's a cheat and a petty liar. So I wouldn't call that "winning." Everyone already hated Goodell so you don't even get a bump there.
Rabbi_Vole
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The Pats history of cheating still lingers.. Most I've encountered refuse to give them the benefit of the doubt
Big Baybee
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I have no doubt that those balls were deflated purposely, but I want Goodell to burn because of what he did to the Saints.
Why this has been a story- a leading story at that- for so long tells you so much about the sports world these days. So pathetic.
The NFLPA support the players on any dispute they have. That's how unions work.
"'The only position the union takes is that as with any player they will support the process if the player choses to do so,'" Atallah told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen."
You're making up a problem where one doesn't exist.
Megalosaro
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If the rumors are true that Tom's marriage is under stress due to this deflategate crap, then he needs to sue the fuck out of the NFL for not only ruining his professional life but also his personal life.
Especially Grigson.
Especially Grigson.
Do they know their own team cheats?
Also, it's not really a stretch saying that Goodell is coming out of this looking worse than Brady, regardless if you and your friends think the Patriots are running an NFL Rule-Bending Think Tank.
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