Neil Blomkamp's Alien film a direct sequel to Aliens; disregards Alien 3/Resurrection
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And continue to take bug, fat shits in the alien lore.
Fuck Ridley Scott for destroying the greatest Sci-Fi-Horror-lore of all time with Prometheus.
Seemed obvious from the start. Given the released concept art featured a Ripley and Hicks who'd clearly never crashed on a prison planet.
It's the only way forward if they want to leverage the core popular cast and films.
I find Alien 3 interesting, particularly the assembly cut, but it remains flawed and it's obvious Fincher himself disowns it these days. Resurrection is a pure curio.
It's the only way forward if they want to leverage the core popular cast and films.
I find Alien 3 interesting, particularly the assembly cut, but it remains flawed and it's obvious Fincher himself disowns it these days. Resurrection is a pure curio.
starchild excalibur
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I unequivocally preferred Prometheus to Alien 3 and Resurrection. The main issues in Prometheus were with character motivations and behaviors. As far as the lore, I find the story of the Engineers pretty interesting and as long as Lindelhof isn't penning the next one, I'm optimistic.
Blomkamp - who's only had one good film so far - isn't inspiring any more optimism with his take on Alien than Scott is inspiring with a Prometheus sequel, anyway.
TheSecondSpitter
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If Blomkamp effs this film up (and if I was betting man, I'd put a wager on it) he'll never get money to make another film again. Which could be a good thing, because like Trank he probably is better suited to making low budget films.
GentlemanCrow
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I'm actually interested to see how well Prometheus 2 will do.
Alien was ruined many many years before Prometheus.
3 and Resurrection didnt attacked the lore - Prometheus did.
*Bombkamp makes a new film*
*It bombs as it should*
*Gets taken off Alien sequel*
This isn't such a bad thing...
I guess so far Blomkamp has been looking like a one-hit-wonder since his only movie that was mostly enjoyed was District 9. Elysium after it was kind of meh and it sounds like Chappie was just not good at all.
Who knows what he will do with Alien. But while my faith in him isn't strong, he'd still have to try real hard to fuck it up as bad as Resurrection. Is he going to get Joss Whedon to pen the script?
Who knows what he will do with Alien. But while my faith in him isn't strong, he'd still have to try real hard to fuck it up as bad as Resurrection. Is he going to get Joss Whedon to pen the script?
Prometheus 2/Paradise is the film he wanted to make. Prometheus was just taking a hit and run on Alien to get there.
TheSecondSpitter
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Resurrection took a dump on the lore instead.
It just ignored most of the lore in favour of that terrible, white hybrid thing.
I just watched Chappie for the first time last night and holy shit was it terrible. I don't think I've ever watched a movie where I actively hate ALL of the characters in the film. I am not looking forward to Blomkamp making the Alien reboot take place in Johannesburg with an all South African cast and some faux TV documentary style interviews in the beginning of the film.
Bobby Roberts
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The longer it takes for any of this to move forward, the easier for it to just (waggles fingers) float away...
starchild excalibur
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I guess that's a fair opinion. For me, the strength of Alien and Aliens was never the lore. Alien succeeded not because of the mythology of the creature, but how expertly crafted of a horror film it was. It didn't matter what the origin of the species was.
Aliens succeeded because it was a well crafted action film with non-traditional family elements. Again, the mythos behind the aliens themselves was largely unimportant.
Prometheus is its own story. Its most guilty of incorporating the Alien lore in a way that felt fanservice-y, especially with the obligatory shot of the alien at the end. Before it came out, a good friend of mine was hoping for it to explain all this shit about the Alien universe that didn't matter. If anything, Scott was probably guilty of not just allowing the story of the Engineers to stand on its own. Hopefully he rectifies this with its sequel.
evilromero
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I'll be surprised as shit if Fox actually goes through with this. But if they do I'm fully expecting them to micromanage the fuck out of it after the disaster of FF4.
Which was the product of Fox micromanagement, haha.
I'm not saying Josh Tank's "version" would have been great, but I find it hard to believe he could have done anything worse.
I agree with this. Oftentimes the mythology in these movies gets overblown in the hunt to milk the shit out of them. See: Terminator.
Marty Chinn
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I get the feeling this isn't going to happen in the end. It's quite a ways off and something is going to pop up between now and then that's going to change all of this. Delaying it for Prometheus 2 is already a huge red flag that this is the likely outcome.
Bobby Roberts
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The word "lore" is getting mis- and over-used a lot lately.
His version being not very good (and then his behavior) is what prompted a lot of the stepping-in to begin with.
Like Marty's said, this is probably not going to happen. Maybe if Fantastic Four had worked out, they'd be more willing to take flyers on young filmmakers doing out-there things with their properties. But they gambled on Trank and he blew up all over their lap, and now they're waiting on Ridley Scott, and waiting on Ridley Scott to do what you want him to do is a good way to just stay waiting for awhile.
The longer this takes, the more likely neither film ever happens. Which I have no problems with at all.
His version being not very good (and then his behavior) is what prompted a lot of the stepping-in to begin with.
Like Marty's said, this is probably not going to happen. Maybe if Fantastic Four had worked out, they'd be more willing to take flyers on young filmmakers doing out-there things with their properties. But they gambled on Trank and he blew up all over their lap, and now they're waiting on Ridley Scott, and waiting on Ridley Scott to do what you want him to do is a good way to just stay waiting for awhile.
The longer this takes, the more likely neither film ever happens. Which I have no problems with at all.
Elysium and Chappie were not good movies, though.
What is the film he wants to make ?
Engineers create life on earth and want to destroy it, Humans go in search to destroy their creators or make them understand they should live? Aliens are just a weapon side show that might as well be scrubbed.
His movies are obnoxiously moralistic. I'm betting that his movie will emphasise the misunderstood nature of the alien... its fear and pain as it's chased away after bursting from a chest.
Bobby Roberts
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The movie he wanted to make was the Alien prequel that Spaihts wrote. And then, just as he was about to make it, Fox was like "maybe it shouldnt' be a prequel" and he was like "Yeah, maybe it shouldn't be a prequel" and then they were like "maybe we should get Lindelof to help fuck this all up" and he was like "I'm doing a pretty good job of this myself, but sure, why not" and then Lindelof was like "what do you want me to mangle here" and he was like "Well, I'm currently wine-drunk and confused - can you stick some weird parental angst in here, and here, and here too?" and Lindelof was like "Isn't that more Blade Runner" and he was like "Blade Runner! That's right. We should do a sequel to that!" And Lindelof was like "You mean right now?" and he was like "Huh? Where am I? This is the Monopoly movie, right?"
I like science fiction, I don't like bad movies.
3/3 of his movies are the former and 2/3 of his are the latter. It's not complicated.
Elysium wasn't bad. It was definitely forgettable, though.
Chappie was awful. He took everything that was wrong with Elysium and made said things exponentially worse.
If one can believe the leaks, at least Tank's version had a beginning, middle, and end before Fox ripped it up.
Chappie was awful. He took everything that was wrong with Elysium and made said things exponentially worse.
The same producers who are making these poor decisions for talent aren't going to micromanage a movie to something of quality.
If one can believe the leaks, at least Tank's version had a beginning, middle, and end before Fox ripped it up.
Bobby Roberts
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You keep using the term "micromanage" when "manage" doesn't even apply.
I understand that the "bad studio squelch good filmmaker" narrative is a tried & true one, and is way more fun to believe in, but there's really no way to look at what happened on Fantastic Four and apply it. That's not what happened. Trank fucked that up all by himself, and fucked it hard. The executives and producers didn't handle his messy implosion/explosion all that well, no, but there's no point in furthering the idea that it wouldn't have happened if he had been completely left alone. Producers would have likely had to step in and save his ass either way.
Also, the idea that micromanaging super-meddling idiots are in play doesn't necessarily hold a whole bunch of water when something like Deadpool is apparently coming off without a single hitch up in Vancouver.
Different producers. Different production company. Comparison doesn't apply at all.
Nothing I've said has been defending Tank. He fucked up, and he was going to produce a bad movie either way. It's just hard to imagine a movie with an actual beginning, middle, and end, which Fantastic Four didn't have, could have been worse than the garage that came out.
Ridley didn't want to return to the Alien universe, and the elements he liked from the original script was the Ancient Aliens bollocks, which was there but in a less overt way. They tampered with but didn't create us.
Paradise, the film Ridley wanted to make, was tales of Gods and going looking for your creator but finding out that your creator didn't actually give a toss about you. With the crisis of faith that comes from that. That looking for Heaven actually takes you to Hell. Which must have seemed very deep on all the red wine.
Lindelof was brought in to blend the prequel into the story that set-up Paradise, and why we got the complete mess that we did.
Bobby Roberts
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But we don't even know what producers and executives would be involved on a hypothetical Alien 5, so I gotta assume the people you're talking about when you bring up "fox micromanagement" are people working at the studio regardless the project, right? There's gotta be a common denominator at the studio you're referring to otherwise any comparison at any point makes no sense.
Garcia el Gringo
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Ridley Scott mentioned several times pre and post-release that Prometheus was to be open-ended and to be part one of a series, and that he would like to keep his spot in the director's chair for sequels.
If anything, I feel the toxic consensus towards Prometheus from core fans could have given Fox cold feet on continuing the sub-series, even after the studio announced they were pursuing a sequel shortly after Prom's debut. But I don't even have an armchair analyst's understanding of the industry; I don't know how important that is to a studio. I'm curious to see what the box office will look like for Prom 2.
What great lore was there before Prometheus? The mythology that I find interesting in the universe is from Ridley Scott's Alien, which has great cosmic mystery; the original Xenomorph (and the Director's Cut superior life cycle), the Derelict and the Space Jockey. The sequels - regardless of there being a good film or two there - ignored those elements of the original, and most definitely cheapened the Xenomorph (even the beloved Aliens). Ridley Scott had the ambition to get back to exploring the cosmic mystery in the universe with Prometheus. If anything, I feel Prometheus runs so parallel, crossing over so lightly with Alien, that it's hard to see it as tainting any of the other films. Can you explain the sins that were committed on the "lore" with Prometheus, that other Aliens film didn't do?
SCULLIBUNDO
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I laughed.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
3 no. Resurrection yes. They explain how Weyland Yutani went out of business, bought out by Walmart.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Joss Whedon's impeccable mind shant be questioned.
I'm with you. His movies aren't perfect but there are elements of brilliance there. The CGI is unmatched in my opinion. Chappie was a great movie as was District 9.
TheKaeptain
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He doesn't make good movies.
TheSecondSpitter
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D9 is one of my favorite films of the last ten years. Elysium sucked balls. Haven't seen Chappie.
PrivateWHudson
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What was the story of the Engineers? All I got was that there was a star chart scribbled in caves that points to a planet devoted to a weapons manufacturing plant that the Engineers once woken up want nothing to do with. I missed any clues as to why they seeded Earth or left the star charts.
QuantumZebra
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flatearthpandas
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First good news I've seen in OT today.
Bobby Roberts
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You mean the "lore."
Discotheque
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Starting to think district 9 wasn't either. It was a cool ass tech demo but the film itself? Meh, and the black people in it were basura and borderline offensive
Preach.
QuantumZebra
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Correct. Elysium was a great movie.
Liquidsnake
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