Pretty sure it's intentional. The game is filled with 80s tracks and they previously talked about an 80s filter that they were going to put on the game that they couldn't use because it was too resource intensive.
History of Metal Gear & PlayStation Promo Video "Finally the conclusion will be told"
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Pretty sure it's intentional. The game is filled with 80s tracks and they previously talked about an 80s filter that they were going to put on the game that they couldn't use because it was too resource intensive.
I think you went a bit too hard here perhaps, but at the same time I really agree with you and love this post.
Hah! I never played all the Snake Tales. I remember the skateboarding one, though. Dafuq.
Guess I've got that MGS HD collection...
Here's to you.
Not to mention the 'Snake on a bike' picture is straght outta Terminator 2: Judgement Day and Escape from New York.
So '80s. And Kojima fucking loves those movies, they're 50% of his inspiration for Metal Gear (Iroquois Pliskin = Snake Pliskin) There was a great Edge magazine special I think (may have been OPS2) which had a huge spread of all of Hideo Kojima's favourite movies and how they've inspired him. There were like 60 of them. So amazing.
Holy shit, haha, this just crossed my mind:
Snake's on a plane
Story consistency is great! And can definitely enhance the experience of playing a game greatly. But with MGSV playing the game will be the majority of your time unlike previous numbered entries. If story consistency has to be bent a bit to serve the gameplay, that is a trade-off that I am more than okay with.
Besides, MGS has always had technology inconsistencies, fourth wall breaking etc, to serve and enhance the game experience for the player. Like how all your support handlers can see you over the radio and vice versa. "Snake, did you like my sunglasses?"
My bad, I meant after MGS3. Yes there are few things, like..
- Big Boss originally lost his eye after the Outer Heaven incident.. and not only his eye.
- The Bartini Beriev VVA-14, the aircraft Eva and Snake use to escape, did not exist yet
I'm also bothered by things that break the timeline, starting with the coma for example (how and when). Theories like "there's a 5th clone they used while Big Boss was in coma" literally freak me out because it wouldn't be out of question in the MGS universe.
Eh, that was stupid but useful. Just like the dualshock port switch against Mantis, it's perfect to achieve the intended goal.
Strobelite.Bunny
Banned
They mean the pre-conclusion right? Because MGS4 (well rising) was the conclusion.
You can. But in Metal Gear's case it would've been fucking terrible.
"Oh yeah, you defeated Solidus, but there are some mysterious people/AI's that basically planned the whole thing, and now they have the data they need to censor the Internet and eventually to control humans as they see fit. They are also holding Olga's baby hostage. Vamp is still alive. The Patriots closed their experiment and they won."
The end.
"But what about Snake? Did he do anything about it? I mean, The Patriots claim to have gotten away with their plan. Do they rule the world? What happened to Meryl? What happens to Otacon? Did the heroes actually win in the end? So Olga's baby will remain forever trapped by these formless beings? Do the heroes actually care about all of this? What the hell is going on with Liquid Ocelot? Where did he go? Will Snake fight back?"
No. THE END. Snake did nothing. Because fuck you, that's why.
Thank goodness MGS4 exists.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Perfect deconstruction achieved. Thanks for playing!
Yeah, leaving THAT as the franchise's ending would've been retarded.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Nothing is more retarded than MGS4's sorry, unfocused, half-assed attempt at tying up loose ends that didn't need tying up.
Leaving MGS2's "ending" as the franchise's conclusion definitely is.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Okay, but you may have missed the point.
Strobelite.Bunny
Banned
More than two weeks.
No.
Mmhh no, I don't think so. I just would've been very pissed if that was the ending to the whole series.
akidnamededdy
Banned
"FINALLY THE CONCLUSION WILL BE TOLD"
*game takes place before five other games in the timeline*
*game takes place before five other games in the timeline*
The point could've been made without obviously setting up a sequel for no reason.
Led_Zeppelin
Member
"28 years of waiting will be rewarded"
Sorry but I doubt MGS:V could reach a climax as high as MGS4, even with all its problems MGS4 build up and final pay off was fucking incredible. Still I am gonna get the game.
Sorry but I doubt MGS:V could reach a climax as high as MGS4, even with all its problems MGS4 build up and final pay off was fucking incredible. Still I am gonna get the game.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Firstly, what do you think MGS2 was about...?
Secondly: I'm glad they carried on too. I love MGS3 and really enjoyed PW.
I think MGS4 is pretty much the worst possible way they could've ended the series. Kojima's heart clearly wasn't in it anymore. Coupled with the development issues these problems shone through in the unfocused gameplay and narrative.
It starts well, but before long narrative threads are hand waved and gameplay systems are ditched. There are moments where Kojima shows genuine contempt for the audience for demanding it. The narrative is the worst kind of tick-box pandering and to call it a masterpiece is to show you haven't read/seen/played many genuinely good stories.
MGS4 sticks out like a sore thumb in the series because it's a game clearly made by a man obliged to make it rather than wanting to. Every other game had a singular, focused, passionate vision behind it whilst MGS4 has an atmosphere of "let's plough through this shit one more time and make sure no-one can possibly have any more questions."
In b4 "No it isn't" without any further elaboration 
¯_(ツ
_/¯A big part of the game is about sequels, isn't it?
brandonh83
Banned
You think Kojima was forced into making MGS4? Interesting as you'd think he would want to wrap his story up that was left hanging by 2 and 3.
Ryouji Gunblade
Member
I have no doubts it will surpass MGS4. There's no one but Konami holding Kojima back this time.
Firstly, what do you think MGS2 was about...?
Secondly: I'm glad they carried on too. I love MGS3 and really enjoyed PW.
I think MGS4 is pretty much the worst possible way they could've ended the series. Kojima's heart clearly wasn't in it anymore. Coupled with the development issues these problems shone through in the unfocused gameplay and narrative.
It starts well, but before long narrative threads are hand waved and gameplay systems are ditched. There are moments where Kojima shows genuine contempt for the audience for demanding it. The narrative is the worst kind of tick-box pandering and to call it a masterpiece is to show you haven't read/seen/played many genuinely good stories.
MGS4 sticks out like a sore thumb in the series because it's a game clearly made by a man obliged to make it rather than wanting to. Every other game had a singular, focused, passionate vision behind it whilst MGS4 has an atmosphere of "let's plough through this shit one more time and make sure no-one can possibly have any more questions."
In b4 "No it isn't" without any further elaboration
¯_(ツ
The game was about introducing a shady organization trying to control (Or "protect") humanity starting by moderating the Internet and freedom of speech. Information control, and the people involved with the plan.
And Kojima was not "obligated" to make MGS4 more than he was obligated to make every other game. He wanted to make it. He wanted to explain and tie all the loose ends of the series to give it a proper conclusion.
MGS2's epilogue certainly sets off for a sequel, or a prequel (Which is what we got).
akidnamededdy
Banned
Uhhhh he never wanted to do that.
Led_Zeppelin
Member
Sorry but I don't see it. Also it doesn't help that BB's story does nothing for me while SS's story was far more emotional for me.
Yeah, right.
MGS4 could have been a far better conclusion, but as Screaming Meat said, it reeks of just trying to wrap the series up out of obligation. 'Well, I guess I should answer the questions I left open'.
Things like Kojima copping out on his planned ending because his team thought it should end on a less dour note, and suddenly ageing up Solid Snake to a point where that character's story would have to conclude, however unsatisfying, has the hallmarks of just wanting to get it over and done with.
Things like the stealth on a battlefield concept were abandoned two acts into the game. There seemed to be a lot of technical frustration behind the scenes. It was just a bad way to deliver the end of the Metal Gear story; if it were a TV show season finale it would be far closer to Dexter than to Breaking Bad.
MGSV looks to be a far more appropriate 'conclusion', in terms of potentially closing the loop.
Things like Kojima copping out on his planned ending because his team thought it should end on a less dour note, and suddenly ageing up Solid Snake to a point where that character's story would have to conclude, however unsatisfying, has the hallmarks of just wanting to get it over and done with.
Things like the stealth on a battlefield concept were abandoned two acts into the game. There seemed to be a lot of technical frustration behind the scenes. It was just a bad way to deliver the end of the Metal Gear story; if it were a TV show season finale it would be far closer to Dexter than to Breaking Bad.
MGSV looks to be a far more appropriate 'conclusion', in terms of potentially closing the loop.
akidnamededdy
Banned
You. Go back to MGS4 and really think about how all the series' hanging threads were tied up there and try to tell me those decisions weren't made by a man who had nothing but contempt in his heart for what he was doing. People demanded answers to those questions so he answered them in the biggest fuck-you ways he could. It's brilliant.
At least he seems to like Big Boss more so he probably won't pull the same bit here. Probably.
Are you for real? A man with "nothing but contempt in his heart" would have not created such a masterpiece of a game.
MGS4 isn't a masterpiece. That belittles the actual masterpieces in the series, like MGS3.
Or so you say. It definitely is a masterpiece of the franchise. It didn't get the reviews it got for nothing. Remember, you are in the minority here.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Technically it was teased before that if you consider the fact that ground zeroes was shown in like 2011?
Ryouji Gunblade
Member
We need a recount on the current opinions, and after MGSV, I'm confident MGS4's remaining popularity will drop further.
I will always believe it has more to do with Tomokazu Fukushima leaving the team than anything else. He was writer from MGS to MGS3 together with Kojima: once he left, the saga lost a lot of its charm and its "anti-americanism" theme (let's call it that way).. but maybe it's just a coincidence (some do not think so).
Until proven wrong, I'll believe that what made MGS2 so great comes from Fukushima's mind way more than Kojima's. He probably wanted to end it there and when Kojima had to make MGS4, well he was in shit and everything was nanomachined.
Ouch.
Until proven wrong, I'll believe that what made MGS2 so great comes from Fukushima's mind way more than Kojima's. He probably wanted to end it there and when Kojima had to make MGS4, well he was in shit and everything was nanomachined.
Ouch.
And why would that be? A game's quality doesn't diminish over time. A great game will always be a great game.
GTA 4 got a similar reception. Entering the HD generation was a weird time when anything passed for greatness.
I don't think general opinion on MGS4 is all that favourable any more, where real masterpieces like MGS3 are still highly regarded.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The only mainline Metal Gear worse than MGS4 is Peace Walker.
Maybe.
Depends on my mood.
Maybe.
Depends on my mood.
Only a very vocal minority seems to dislike MGS4. The rest of the fans consider it a masterpiece. Reviews by both critics and users speak for themselves.
So.....how bout that Portable Ops?
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
And this time we can be certain, he will never conclude it.
Led_Zeppelin
Member
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
I think POPS was confirmed as canon but only some parts of it are canon others never happened.
Basically like the whole big picture happened but a lot of the details are ignored or something like that.
Ryouji Gunblade
Member
It's part relativity, part realization. Like the other thread discussing Limbo, opinions shift when better things come along. I remember Super Metroid being hailed as the greatest Metroid game ever and now less so after Prime and Zero Mission. My opinion of Smash Bros. Brawl dropped after a year, personally. MGSV will shift the opinion on the quality of MGS4.
IAmRandom31
Banned
End of an Era in our industry
series has been going on basically since it all started
now Kojima gets booted and the series ends, kind of perfect really.
series has been going on basically since it all started
now Kojima gets booted and the series ends, kind of perfect really.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Sorry to break it to you...
CVG said:
Kojima said:
You use that word too liberally.
Personally I don't think so, since Super Metroid is still consider by most of the fans to be the best in the franchise.
And you SERIOUSLY believe that? You are pretty naive, man...
Ganondorfo
Junior Member
I saw Solid Snake in the trailer, does this mean, he is going to be in this game? Because Phantom Pain is a Big Boss game.
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