radiant_ch
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Never understood the hate this version got and still gets.
It's not the devil people see within, really.
So, what's the best version of Metal Gear Solid?
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Never understood the hate this version got and still gets.
It's not the devil people see within, really.
Peroroncino
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You should definitely give Twin Snakes a shot, but only after you experience the OG.
CJ_75
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I hear you.
Sure, the original Metal Gear Solid had its fantastical moments: a psychic boss fight, a cyber ninja, even giant mechs but those elements were framed within a tense, grounded atmosphere that made them feel impactful rather than absurd.
The Twin Snakes takes those foundations and dials the action up to cartoonish extremes, replacing suspenseful stealth with flashy stunts.
The problem isn't that I expected pure realism, it's that The Twin Snakes sacrifices the original's tone and pacing for spectacle, and in doing so loses what made it so special.
ChoosableOne
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This thread convinced me to play Twin Snakes lol. I had played the original on PC, and I'd like to try a different version.
CJ_75
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You absolutely should do that. it will make you appreciate the original even more.
But whom are you kidding, you're not actually going to play it. It's been around for 21 years.
ChoosableOne
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I hadn't played it because I thought it was a remastered or very similar version of it. At some point, I'm thinking of playing Metal Gear 1 and 2, and if I play this version of MGS right after, it seems like it's going to be a nice experience.
Dr. Suchong
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asdasdasdbb
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It's funny because I remember the memes about the Pachinko. Delta's pretty much on par with the cutscenes.
CJ_75
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Well, bravo. It only took you 21 years to figure that out. Truly impressive. Have fun trolling… oh, sorry, I mean playing the games.
tkscz
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Jesus the Twin Snakes hate in here. Besides the music Twin Snakes wasn't a bad game. If anything it fixes a lot of what was wrong with the original game. I've recently played both and let me tell you, the original Ocelot fight sucks. Can't see him half the time, when you can you'll probably get shot first. Just because I can go into first person and shoot him, doesn't mean he'll always give me the opportunity to. And it pretty much removes all instances of having to back track long distances and makes the Grey Fox fight better.
Sybrix
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Never understood the hate this version got and still gets.
It's not the devil people see within, really.
It is a good version but it's also stupid, some really weird cut scenes that go Matrix style and that kinda ruined the vibe of the game.
Gp1
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I had the same doubt not so long ago, after not touching MGS for almost 15 years.
Duckstation with the HD texture pack + all emulator graphic improvements is the correct way to play it unless you are some kind of retropurist that like texture warping, etc (if you can deal with this, MGS collection could be an option).
Twin Snakes is completely unbalanced (the ledge holding + FP breaks entire areas), the "art direction" of the cutscene makes this version age much more than the original and the music sucks. The only good point is the graphics (of course) and how they gutted a good portion of the backtracking (one of the Achilles heel of the original game, basically filler to artificially extend the game's duration)
One thing that surprised me was how modern the game structure is. It's almost a Boss Rush game with the codecs acting as your "guide" exactly like how modern games hand held you. If you know what to do, you will breeze through the game in less than 6 hours.
Shadow Moses was taken with less than 30 soldiers + the Fox unit.
Duckstation with the HD texture pack + all emulator graphic improvements is the correct way to play it unless you are some kind of retropurist that like texture warping, etc (if you can deal with this, MGS collection could be an option).
Twin Snakes is completely unbalanced (the ledge holding + FP breaks entire areas), the "art direction" of the cutscene makes this version age much more than the original and the music sucks. The only good point is the graphics (of course) and how they gutted a good portion of the backtracking (one of the Achilles heel of the original game, basically filler to artificially extend the game's duration)
One thing that surprised me was how modern the game structure is. It's almost a Boss Rush game with the codecs acting as your "guide" exactly like how modern games hand held you. If you know what to do, you will breeze through the game in less than 6 hours.
Shadow Moses was taken with less than 30 soldiers + the Fox unit.
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Badlucktroll
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I bet MGS collection volume 2 is going to have twin snakes
CJ_75
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For many, The Twin Snakes was their first Metal Gear Solid game. And for those players, it's something fantastic if they haven't experienced the original. I think some of them weren't even born when the original was released.
Hideo Kojima was not very happy with how the production went (were done by Silicon Knights). The cutscenes were completely redone and directed by Ryuhei Kitamura, who went all out with bullet time effects (The Matrix was very popular at the time). The grounded tone of the original MGS was completely thrown overboard.
I much prefer playing the game as Hideo Kojima originally envisioned it, rather than seeing it completely ruined by another director. The hate for MGS The Twin Snakes is quite exaggerated, but for me, the original still stands on a lonely peak, and Twin Snakes is rarely talked about. As far as I know, it even flopped commercially.
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delirium trigger
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OG Metal Gear Solid for ps is still the best game in the franchise.
belteshazzar
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I wonder how many of you saying how "shit" Twin Snakes is actually played it. It's actually good. Really good.
It was the first game I played in the series, and I had a ton of fun with it. It's what got me hooked in the first place. The usual repeated ad-nauseam criticism is always the:
I think it's all baloney that has been greatly exaggerated over the years, especially by people that haven't even played it.
I'll stand by this to the day I die. MGS Twin Snakes is awesome. I think its perfecly fine as the first game to play in the series. With that said, the original release is also incredible. I don't think you can go wrong with either one. With access to PC, I would just do Duckstation or the GOG release. HD Collection was pretty good too. The Master Collection I would avoid just because Konami are lazy bastards that can be bothered to treat one of their biggest franchises with any respect or care. Maybe MGS Delta will be a turning point... We'll see...
It was the first game I played in the series, and I had a ton of fun with it. It's what got me hooked in the first place. The usual repeated ad-nauseam criticism is always the:
- The cutscene changes ruin the game because they completely change the tone, blah blah blah.
- Bad voice acting, even though they are the same actors. Game ruined.
- Gameplay changes ruin the game.
I think it's all baloney that has been greatly exaggerated over the years, especially by people that haven't even played it.
- Some of the cutscenes can be completely over the top and silly. But they are not grounds to "ruin" the game or its "tone". I'd say the game it's actually very faithful to the original, and after moving on to MGS2 I never once thought, "MGS1 was so different, wtf". I actually enjoyed them, and they can be even better than the original release IMHO (gray fox).
- Never once noticed this, I actually always looked forward to the codec calls because they were very memorable.
- This one is the only argument I see holding water. The original game was not designed for 1st person shooting. It can make some boss fights and encounters very easy (like ocelot). All I ever say, if you wanna have the original experience in this regards, the just don't use the first person mode. I personally like its inclusion. You get the dog tags interactions and you can shoot enemy radios, etc.
I'll stand by this to the day I die. MGS Twin Snakes is awesome. I think its perfecly fine as the first game to play in the series. With that said, the original release is also incredible. I don't think you can go wrong with either one. With access to PC, I would just do Duckstation or the GOG release. HD Collection was pretty good too. The Master Collection I would avoid just because Konami are lazy bastards that can be bothered to treat one of their biggest franchises with any respect or care. Maybe MGS Delta will be a turning point... We'll see...
Gambit2483
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Yea there were a few standout tracks from TTS (e.g. Psycho Mantis Boss fight, Grey Fox Boss fight and Armory Alert phase) but agreed, ultimately MGS has the better overall OST (nothing beats "the best is yet to come" theme)
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CJ_75
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It looks like you asked ChatGPT to help create a post. AI tends to use bullet points. You can do better.
For your information, I've played every Metal Gear game. I've even gone so far as to buy some consoles just to play Metal Gear, definitely true for the GameCube. And as you might be able to tell from my avatar, I'm a huge MGS fan.
The cutscenes were completely ruined by the new director. A good example is the Meryl is Shot scene. In the original, Snake sees Sniper Wolf's infrared targeting on Meryl's body and immediately takes action by warning her and trying to push her away.
The music, the acting, the drama, and the cinematography in these scenes are nothing short of perfection.
In The Twin Snakes, Snake also notices the infrared but instead of reacting urgently, he calmly walks around to observe the infrared device aimed at her. I feel the sense of urgency is missing from Snake here.
For me, this weakens one of the most impactful scenes in Metal Gear Solid, because in the original Snake and Meryl seemed to understand each other's identities and shared romantic feelings. And just right after that, she got shot.
In The Twin Snakes, despite it being a stealth game, Snake behaves wildly, shooting around to Sniper Wolf's possible location and collapsing dramatically on the ground like a "drama queen."
The voice acting was re-recorded for this game. I have great respect for David Hayter, but his performance in The Twin Snakes was not his best.
Here are both scenes. it's up to you to decide which one feels more grounded and impactful. Personally, I lean towards Hideo Kojima's vision.
Original Meryl is shot scene:
Remake Meryl is shot scene:
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belteshazzar
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Sigh...
- Normal people also use bullet points. Just because someone uses them, doesn't mean they are using ChatGPT. Which I didn't use.
- Saying this is a conversation/discussion is non-starter and just makes me perceive you as a pretentious prick.
- I also mentioned I'm a big fan of the series, I've played several versions and made an entire post to make my point.
And no, I already knew about all those things and it doesn't change my original answer. I like both games, my argument is that the Twin Snakes receives unwarranted hate and is good way to get into the series. If you don't agree, I didn't come here to change your mind.
Liopleurodon
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Original MGS1 is pretty much my favorite game, but... - Fuck "grounded". Absolutely LOVE those over the top cutscenes, and when you think about it, it even makes more sense for Snake to be able to do all those things, considering what kind of bosses he faced, and overcame.
Also, don't use first person mode, or hanging if it breaks the game (TTS) for you.
TTS isn't any easier than MGS2, or any other later game in series that has those things.
With the introduction of camouflages, or Octo Camo, Camo Index, etc., we basically become invisible.
Also, don't use first person mode, or hanging if it breaks the game (TTS) for you.
TTS isn't any easier than MGS2, or any other later game in series that has those things.
With the introduction of camouflages, or Octo Camo, Camo Index, etc., we basically become invisible.
Gp1
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It's like watching a MGS cutscenes and then watch the anime cheesy version of a MGS cutscenes
You don't forget about the smak that booty scene when Meryl enters the hall and the kung Fu ballet when snake with was being captured. The only thing they missed was the onomatopoeia balloons like the 60's Batman series when the guard butt stock Snake.
