CNN poll : Donald Trump now competitive in general election

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Sorry guys, but he still firmly believed that Obama's birth certificate was not real. Like, actual believer.

If he believes something like that so readily, I'd be fearful of what kind of assumptions (and accusations) he'll take on easily if he becomes Commander in Chief.
 
Sorry guys, but he still firmly believed that Obama's birth certificate was not real. Like, actual believer.

If he believes something like that so readily, I'd be fearful of what kind of assumptions (and accusations) he'll take on easily if he becomes Commander in Chief.

Trump's twitter during the last general election was possibly the dumbest shit going on at the time.
 

Walpurgis

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Sorry guys, but he still firmly believed that Obama's birth certificate was not real. Like, actual believer.

If he believes something like that so readily, I'd be fearful of what kind of assumptions (and accusations) he'll take on easily if he becomes Commander in Chief.

I was reading some thread that was analysing Trump's behaviour the other day and it dawned on me. I think Trump did that in preparation for this campaign. He challenged the sitting president and the sitting president acknowledged him and responded. This put him on the same level as Obama which, I believe, is what he wanted.
 
It actually isn't that close at all. Just like in the Obama elections, a lot of young people simply don't care to talk to a pollster. I know I never did.
 
Did anyone really think Hillary would beat a Republican-nominated Trump, or a Republican-nominated potted plant for that matter, by double digits in the general vote?

It's a partisan country with two parties, and Hillary is one of the most polarizing candidates in recent memory. Winning by 6% would be a solid victory, and probably a best case scenario.

The only news is that Trump's name recognition and media coverage has people taking him seriously, at least the people who were going to vote Republican regardless.
 

ivysaur12

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Did anyone really think Hillary would beat a Republican-nominated Trump, or a Republican-nominated potted plant for that matter, by double digits in the general vote?

It's a partisan country with two parties, and Hillary is one of the most polarizing candidates in recent memory. Winning by 6% would be a solid victory, and probably a best case scenario.

Do you think a Republican would win against a bag of weed labeled "Dank Democrat" by a slam dunk? Probably not.
 
Did anyone really think Hillary would beat a Republican-nominated Trump, or a Republican-nominated potted plant for that matter, by double digits in the general vote?

It's a partisan country with two parties, and Hillary is one of the most polarizing candidates in recent memory. Winning by 6% would be a solid victory, and probably a best case scenario.

I think people were expecting Trump to be so divisive that he drove away the moderates to someone like Hillary, who is somewhat close to the center. I think that is still a valid thing that may happen, but then again moderates may be less moderate than they think.

Also Trump isn't getting the Hispanic vote, but it's not like Romney got it last election either.
 

Rubenov

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Hillary was a mediocre Senator, a mediocre Secretary of State, and will be a mediocre President if elected.

That said, I hope she wins. Her core politics are the most aligned with mine, so that has to be prioritized.
 
I was reading some thread that was analysing Trump's behaviour the other day and it dawned on me. I think Trump did that in preparation for this campaign. He challenged the sitting president and the sitting president acknowledged him and responded. This put him on the same level as Obama which, I believe, is what he wanted.

You could easily use this logic to assume Bush Jr was a mastermind though.

Example: Bush Jr did a bad job on purpose to allow Obama into office, which he knew would push the right of America to become even crazier. This then paves the way for a Republican to take the far right of America under his wing and allow this Republican into office with a Republican congress and senate. Bush Jr was looking ahead.

I'll gladly eat crow though if Trump releases a book in the future saying he did all of the crazy birther shit to keep him relevant for upcoming Primary.
 

sangreal

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The BG just had an article comparing Trump to the anti-immigrant but pro-welfare state far right of Europe.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/20...an-politics/i5PXZAuuALf39tfb0EQ6pL/story.html

This article reaches this conclusion by woefully misstating Trump's immigration stance. Strangely, it does not even bring up the proposal of his that most clearly brings him in line with the likes of Le Pen -- his (un-detailed and forever unquestioned) green card moratorium proposal

Trump talks about the benefits of legal immigration all the time. He also of course has a history of marrying them. I searched but couldn't find anything to suggest that Trump is opposed to the H-1B program in its entirety as the author claims. His proposal calls for a few common-sense reforms to it and does not even mention reducing the number of them

I don't know why I always defend Trump when I'm for Hillary; I just feel like there is some kind of derangement syndrome out there where we can't have an honest discussion on his proposals
 

danm999

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If you know exactly what he's been saying, then it's a bit strange that you are trying to argue that it would be difficult to get Mexico to pay for the wall, since his proposal outlines exactly how he will get Mexico to pay for the wall, and it spells out a way in which it can be done without Mexico's consent.

No it does not. Read the policy;

Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

That fuzzy list of uncosted policies is not designed to pay for the wall, it is, as the bolded demonstrates, designed to compel Mexico to pay for the wall.

But that will never happen. Twisting Mexico's arm by raising tariffs and cutting foreign aid will not make them pay for the wall. All it will do is harm US Mexico relations and ironically, increase push factors for illegal immigration.

I mean, forget the economics for a second, who on the Mexican side is agreeing to the politics of this? Nieto has already laughed it off and doesn't leave office until 2018. You think anyone running for President or Congress in Mexico isn't going to be asked this question and laugh at it? Trump is immensely unpopular in Mexico.

It is tough talk from someone who has no real ideas for people who are too naive to understand geopolitics.
 

Joey Fox

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Hillary was a mediocre Senator, a mediocre Secretary of State, and will be a mediocre President if elected.

That said, I hope she wins. Her core politics are the most aligned with mine, so that has to be prioritized.

Why is that prioritized over leadership?! Important shit happens beyond core politics.
 

Walpurgis

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You could easily use this logic to assume Bush Jr was a mastermind though.

Example: Bush Jr did a bad job on purpose to allow Obama into office, which he knew would push the right of America to become even crazier. This then paves the way for a Republican to take the far right of America under his wing and allow this Republican into office with a Republican congress and senate. Bush Jr was looking ahead.

I'll gladly eat crow though if Trump releases a book in the future saying he did all of the crazy birther shit to keep him relevant for upcoming Primary.

It's just that the birth certificate thing was so mind numbingly stupid that I would sooner believe that Trump is really smart than actually believe shit like that. I mean, how could a person that thinks the president of the U.S. was born in another country even remember to breathe?
 

sangreal

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It's just that the birth certificate thing was so mind numbingly stupid that I would sooner believe that Trump is really smart than actually believe shit like that. I mean, how could a person that thinks the president of the U.S. was born in another country even remember to breathe?

You wouldn't believe the things his investigators dug up on Obama's birth!

any day now
 

Rubenov

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It's just that the birth certificate thing was so mind numbingly stupid that I would sooner believe that Trump is really smart than actually believe shit like that. I mean, how could a person that thinks the president of the U.S. was born in another country even remember to breathe?

I think it was an act, like a lot of things he does.
 

Downhome

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Are any of you guys watching Trump? He just spoke just a few miles down the road from where Jeb is about to speak. He said since Jeb draws so poorly, that he thought he would stop by to actually draw a crowd, haha.
 
Is trump a false flag to make jeb bush look good and get elected?

"At least it wasn't trump".

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HylianTom

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This guy is soooooo much fun to watch. I'm trying to think back to a candidate where I can remember saying, "ooooh! CandidateX is on TV?! Hurry - change the channel!" and I really can't remember anyone like that, on either side of the aisle.
 
Watching trump on the "where's the policy positions on your website!" question, and this shit is brainless. It's not even possible to get behind this garbage talk.
 
The "Trump Wall" is going to be beautiful. They built the Great Wall of China 3,000 years ago, so we can build an even greater wall today! If they try to climb up the wall, they're going to be in trouble. Tunnels? They won't make it! Kick all the illegals out of Chicago because they're the ones driving up violent crime. Make America great.
 

SURGEdude

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Trump is perceived to be honest just because he's an abrasive asshole. He still lies, deflects, and contradicts his earlier positions.

God damnit you are so right. I mean Hillary is a witch, but calling Trump more honest is insane. He literally starts hating people he liked the moment they say a single thing he doesn't like. The dude is so dishonest and so overtly so that it blows my fucking mind that people let it slide.

And to the people downplaying the presidency, remember the next president will likely have a huge hand in shaping the Supreme Court, and entity that wields frankly the most power and for the longest time of any branch.
 

Glass Joe

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I am confused by people who would vote for Trump over Clinton. You must be a single issue voter (on what issue I am not sure), because otherwise a Clinton presidency would be closer to a Sanders one than a Trump presidency.

Remember, no matter how great their ideas are during a campaign, all of these candidates must work with what will likely continue to be GOP dominated congress. Also I do not want Trump to nominate Omarosa the SCOTUS (or do I?)

Oddly enough, the answers to your questions are in your statement itself.

There's a GOP dominated congress. Oil & water just haven't been mixing, so Obama couldn't get anything done over stupid partisan politics. Clinton would face the same issue. However, maybe a Republican can work with other Republicans.

Or maybe, a great negotiator from outside the political realm can put partisanship aside and effectively compromise. You may reject that notion, but that's the sales pitch that's so far working.
 

Suikoguy

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Oddly enough, the answers to your questions are in your statement itself.

There's a GOP dominated congress. Oil & water just haven't been mixing, so Obama couldn't get anything done over stupid partisan politics. Clinton would face the same issue. However, maybe a Republican can work with other Republicans.

Or maybe, a great negotiator from outside the political realm can put partisanship aside and effectively compromise. You may reject that notion, but that's the sales pitch that's so far working.

So, you think that shitty change is better than no change?
 
Oddly enough, the answers to your questions are in your statement itself.

There's a GOP dominated congress. Oil & water just haven't been mixing, so Obama couldn't get anything done over stupid partisan politics. Clinton would face the same issue. However, maybe a Republican can work with other Republicans.

Or maybe, a great negotiator from outside the political realm can put partisanship aside and effectively compromise. You may reject that notion, but that's the sales pitch that's so far working.

Thankfully though, no sane democrat will vote for any Republican president since that will mean a huge reversal of things including the loss of Obamacare, worsening international relations and probably zero regard for climate change, science or the environment.
 
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