Bam Bam Baklava
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And yet the 2008 election became about an average joe the plumber.
CNN poll : Donald Trump now competitive in general election
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And yet the 2008 election became about an average joe the plumber.
CyclopsRock
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Joeda Plumber for VP.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Deez Nuts is getting almost 10% in some state polls.
Ronald Raygun?
schwartzenneger
Ronald Reagan came a lot closer to starting WW 3 than people realise precisely because he was so gungh ho, lacked diplomatic experience and because the Soviets genuinely thought he and the American people were insane. The early 80s were one of the most dangerous times in the Cold War. It was plain blind luck that the USSR was collapsing anyway and that Gorbachev, and not some hardliner, was the premier.
Trump has that in spades, except he would be forced to deal with a much more unpredictable Russia and more volatile world in general. I'm not worried he would nuke Iran for the lols, I'm worried he'd continue to be populist in office and escalate something beyond the point of return by "acting tough" and ignoring diplomatic protocol.
timetokill
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Well, he wants single-payer, that's better than you can say for Hillary
Templar Wizard
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Rubbish, Reagan gave the evil empire speech in the first half of his first term and from then on worked hard to reduce nukes with the Soviets. He had to deal with many leaders since they kept dying.
The USSR was happy to keep its MIC going, it was when Gorbachev started to make the USSR about modernising the country and not the MIC, thats when the USSR started to fall.
Like I said earlier in the thread, Trumps actual policy positions are in many ways worse than normal GOP candidates.
People are constantly saying he's more moderate than the Repubs he's running against but I'm not seeing it. He's actually one degree crazier.
Vicetrailia
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No way America could go from someone intelligent like Obama to Trump, it doesn't make sense.
I have no doubt that Trump is smart in his own unique ways; you can see that in how he manipulates the media and chooses his wording for his audiences very deliberately.
I also have very strong suspicions that he doesn't believe half of the stuff that's coming out of his own mouth during this process. You can almost hear him thinking to himself, "check this out.. these yokels are actually buying this bullshit!" It almost seems too perfect, like he's playing a Colbert/Producers-esque character on the campaign trail.
Trump is the hope and change the more radical Republicans are looking for. If the mainstreamers don't put an end to this after 10 candidates drop out of the race were all in for a shit show.
Interfectum
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This is what I think too. I honestly think he doesn't want to be president. He's having fun and, hell, this could be some grand marketing scheme for his next big TV show.
I don't think that's the case, though it does seem that way initially. I thought he was running president for shits and giggles too and he would not want the duties a president's job entails. But I've observed his temperament very closely in live speeches. He does believe in what he says when he talks to the crowd, and that quality is what basically gives him a limitless adlib filter through which he ends up convincing his audiences. Well except for when he was talking about the Bible, that was clear selling.
Missile Defense
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Trump! Trump! Trump!
Oh my lord, you killed me with this! IS THAT TRUMP??/?
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Pagusas
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Was at the gym last night watching a CNN interview where he was talking about how he received one of the highest honours from the marine corps the other night. Talked about how that shows they respect him.
Turns out that was a civilian award that had nothing to do with the actual marine corps, other than their name being partially on it.
How the hell do you 1. not know what award you received, 2. assume what an award is an talk about it as if its the greatest honour and 3 assume your BS will pass by the general audience and not be researched or revealed as BS within seconds?
He came off like a 5 year old who got a gold star and wanted the world to know how it made him the class favourite. I dont get where this "he's a great speaker" or intelligent stuff is coming from. He seems like the embodiment of "fake it till you make it" persona (with the exception his faking it has made him billions).
Turns out that was a civilian award that had nothing to do with the actual marine corps, other than their name being partially on it.
How the hell do you 1. not know what award you received, 2. assume what an award is an talk about it as if its the greatest honour and 3 assume your BS will pass by the general audience and not be researched or revealed as BS within seconds?
He came off like a 5 year old who got a gold star and wanted the world to know how it made him the class favourite. I dont get where this "he's a great speaker" or intelligent stuff is coming from. He seems like the embodiment of "fake it till you make it" persona (with the exception his faking it has made him billions).
"Someone intelligent" like being a billionaire businessman doesn't require intelligence
Being born into a rich family doesn't take a lot of skill.
oh hell no
OMG LOL
Someone must put Jeb Bush's head on Vince, please someone.
not really
Who doesn't?
There's a possibility who some the candidates are pretty serious, but Hillary vs Trump, both are equally stupid.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Deez Nuts. Educate yourself
Veritigo_X
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Fuck Deez Nuts. I'm all about Not Sure. He's polling above Deez Nuts (in before "it's too early, the polls don't matter!").
Obama had rhetoric that spoke to the what the people wanted (change after the bush era). And the opponents were terrible
Trump is speaking rhetoric that resonates (not under lobbyist control, not a career politician, knows money). And his opponents aren't so like able (Bernie is old and socialist, Hillary.... Is Hillary)
Trump has a better chance than you think
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I love the Trump shoulder shrug + babbling. It's endearing.
"I told him, I don't need it. I make 400 million dollars a year, why would I need it? That's the reason I'm running, I wanted to show how wealthy I am. People say I'm not worth what 4 billion or whatever, truth is I'm worth more. I signed the papers. They give you these papers, I looked at them and I signed them. All of those politicians, that's how it works. All of them are controlled, 100%. Nobody knows the system better than me."
"I told him, I don't need it. I make 400 million dollars a year, why would I need it? That's the reason I'm running, I wanted to show how wealthy I am. People say I'm not worth what 4 billion or whatever, truth is I'm worth more. I signed the papers. They give you these papers, I looked at them and I signed them. All of those politicians, that's how it works. All of them are controlled, 100%. Nobody knows the system better than me."
YourMaster
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In all fairness, he is probably the best guy the US has to offer.
Not really.
It's a good thing the best candidate is a woman.
But Warren isn't running.
I said best candidate.
Netherscourge
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This is a perfect example of "gaper-delay" voter conscious.
(aka rubbernecking)
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I honestly think people will vote for Trump JUST to see what happens.
(aka rubbernecking)
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I honestly think people will vote for Trump JUST to see what happens.
gutter_trash
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Alarmists should calm the fuck down; Trump is more Left than any of those other 14 GOP Candidates on that stage.
John Ellis Bush who is falsly perceived as the ''moderate'' one (just because he speaks softly and is smarter than his brother) is deceptively more Right Wing than people believe
John Ellis Bush is from the continuation of a long line of Neo-Con Oil Men War Profiteers itching for more war.
John Ellis Bush who is falsly perceived as the ''moderate'' one (just because he speaks softly and is smarter than his brother) is deceptively more Right Wing than people believe
John Ellis Bush is from the continuation of a long line of Neo-Con Oil Men War Profiteers itching for more war.
Rabbi_Vole
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Hillary and Trump are actually quite a bit alike.. They're both all about power.. It's just trump is actually honest about it.
The difference is Trump is a victim of his own ignorance. He's not smart enough to know he's not smart enough.
Dude's policies are dumpster fire tier. Great business man and entertainer though.
Yes, how dare she have the audacity to want to run for president and win. Shame on her.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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You know, I'm not sure I'm going to go "both sides" when one side literally thinks that ISIS and Iran are aligned and that it would be cheap and easy to invade Iraq and drill for oil in the middle of a war zone.
I'm starting to think that way about Bush as well (more right and a neo con) after hearing him go on this Iraq war / Isis bullshit. I think he's mostly bankrolled by war hawks / people in the arms industry.
Rabbi_Vole
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Why shame on her? Do you have something against her running for president?
We've been through this before. Some people, like Obama, seemed to genuinely want to win while doing some good, while Hillary gives off the vibe she would cut off both her arms if that gave her the title of 1st Woman President.
gutter_trash
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I don`t get where he gets his ''moderate' tag from; the guy stuck his nose into the Terri Schiavo saga and passed lots of Social-Conservative legislation
and he is has shares the wealth of his Oil rich family that puts his interests in conflict when it comes to Energy and Foreign Affairs
Rabbi_Vole
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I'm not a fan of Obama and when I was around him in 2006, I thought he didn't have a chance. The first time I saw him speak, he was on a panel with Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. He stammered.. Seemed flustered.. I found him unpolished. He's never come off power-hungry.
He won't do anything about them. His not needing them is leverage against the GOP field.
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