Crayon
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Haptic intensity for the triggers? Thats news to me.
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Haptic intensity for the triggers? Thats news to me.
I wonder if it could be configured as a virtual JogCon?
This never ended up getting released, but they did eventually release the smaller Japanese six button pad in the west (which I guess this would have originally been a rebranding of). I'm surprised that it hasn't really been done since (or reversed controllers for left handers either for that matter).
Hmm the small hands problem might hinder me. I'm quite excited to see more impressions of the gamepad this holiday.
Wrestlemania
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This never ended up getting released, but they did eventually release the smaller Japanese six button pad in the west (which I guess this would have originally been a rebranding of). I'm surprised that it hasn't really been done since (or reversed controllers for left handers either for that matter).
Terrible artists impression.
CrunchyFrog
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I'm wondering, do they have an option, or would it be possible to make an option that can conditionally turn a trackpad into a sort of radial menu or scroller? I'm thinking something like this:
Obviously the haptics makes something like this much more reliable, but you could also maybe have some kind of onscreen popup ui that shows the numbers/options as you scrolled through them, maybe as either a radial scroll that does not wrap around with each full rotation, one that does wrap, or one with absolute positioning. Would increase the number of readily available inputs especially for MMO's like wow and their 10-12 button quickbars.
Obviously the haptics makes something like this much more reliable, but you could also maybe have some kind of onscreen popup ui that shows the numbers/options as you scrolled through them, maybe as either a radial scroll that does not wrap around with each full rotation, one that does wrap, or one with absolute positioning. Would increase the number of readily available inputs especially for MMO's like wow and their 10-12 button quickbars.
I am hoping you will be able to use the outside of the right trackpad for steering in a circular motion, could feel pretty good with feedback.
ashecitism
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I'm wondering, do they have an option, or would it be possible to make an option that can conditionally turn a trackpad into a sort of radial menu or scroller? I'm thinking something like this:
Obviously the haptics makes something like this much more reliable, but you could also maybe have some kind of onscreen popup ui that shows the numbers/options as you scrolled through them, maybe as either a radial scroll that does not wrap around with each full rotation, one that does wrap, or one with absolute positioning. Would increase the number of readily available inputs especially for MMO's like wow and their 10-12 button quickbars.
That's sorta what "ghosting" was supposed to achieve, but the last time they talked about was at SDD last January, and no idea if it made it in, because no one has talked about it since.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfN5WK7OzU8
after 14:35 and after 24:30
I don't buy you won't be able to play Dota 2 with this controller.
Currently Rustsandstuffs is in bed with a cerebrospinal fluid leak playing Dota 2 with periscope glasses and a 360 controller and doing it quite well.
If he can do that then this should be adequate. Not that you would really want to play with a controller if you didn't have to though, but it is possible.
Currently Rustsandstuffs is in bed with a cerebrospinal fluid leak playing Dota 2 with periscope glasses and a 360 controller and doing it quite well.
If he can do that then this should be adequate. Not that you would really want to play with a controller if you didn't have to though, but it is possible.
I kind of think it would be interesting to see other alternatives. Since there are two trackpads, why not use both for steering just from left to right, as if you were using them to control each hand independently. It could allow for some very violent quick turning. You could also use the click of the pad or a different button to switch one pad to camera control should you want. There are all kinds of possibilities
Dr_Boris_Goltz
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Is the entire UI for the controller only in Big Picture mode?
It was in the prototype. I think we don't have confirmation how it will be at release.
Appears to be the case:
Although I can't really see a reason why they wouldn't also support doing so in the client too, even if that comes at a later date, unless that also uses the BPM interface somehow. Guess we'll wait and see
DarkArterialGore
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Since the Xbox One chatpad got announced I've been having doubts about following through with my pre-order for the Steam Controller. Getting an Xbox One controller with chatpad/wireless adapter for PC will cost double the price of a Steam controller but at least I know I like it whereas I'm still worried that there will be a bit of a disconnect immersion wise using the touchpads on the Steam controller.
Also have Steam said whether their controller will be locked into the Steam program or will it just be seen as a universal input device by windows, as I play games on GOG and Origin which I know will work properly with the Xbox One controller?
Also have Steam said whether their controller will be locked into the Steam program or will it just be seen as a universal input device by windows, as I play games on GOG and Origin which I know will work properly with the Xbox One controller?
If you read a few pages back, Krejlooc said he used it in MS-DOS, BIOS, and I think on a Dreamcast. Nothing is locked, you can use it anywhere you can use kb&m.
Toadthemushroom
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I'm glad some devs have controllers now, makes me confident that a nice selection of titles will support the controller out of the box at launch. Given Valve's mission with Steam Machines/Steam Link and the Steam Controller, stuff like this really needs to "just work" out of the box with minimal fuss. Making up your own keymaps or using others' is friction to that (but a nice option nonetheless).
Does anyone know if developers will be able to provide a "TV-optimised" interface for their games? I have no doubt that the controller works well, but a lot of games are driven around the pixel-perfect mouse cursor and desk use. That Steam Controller trailer from a couple of months back highlighted the problem -- Cities: Skylines has a lot of small toolbars and close buttons as well as a tiny mouse cursor. Something that works well when you're at a desk, but isn't ideal for playing from the couch or a distance.
Does anyone know if developers will be able to provide a "TV-optimised" interface for their games? I have no doubt that the controller works well, but a lot of games are driven around the pixel-perfect mouse cursor and desk use. That Steam Controller trailer from a couple of months back highlighted the problem -- Cities: Skylines has a lot of small toolbars and close buttons as well as a tiny mouse cursor. Something that works well when you're at a desk, but isn't ideal for playing from the couch or a distance.
Yes. There's an API that provide native support for the controller. We haven't seem much about it yet, though.
This is exactly my thought process. Also, I really love the rumble triggers on the XBox One controller.
Boombox On
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It will work across all games, but you need to launch your game through steam in order to do any customization.
ashecitism
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Well, that's going to up to the devs.
He doesn't mean that, but devs making 10foot UI. That's up to the devs only.
I meant that they are able to recognize you are using the controller instead of always see it as a keyboard and mouse, and so change the UI. But yeah, they still have to do all the work.
Blak_Status
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I can't believe I didn't pre-order. November is far.
alexandros
Banned
I wanted to pre-order, then the stupid capital controls in Greece hit and I couldn't get the order out. Who the hell knows when I'll be able to order now, I hope some local stores will have some controllers available in November or else I'm screwed.
viveks86
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Nice! Haptic intensity for trigger? Is this going to be similar to the xbox one controller?
Man, these config screens are taking forever to trickle out. Are they NDA'd or something?
alexandros
Banned
Searching for news and first impressions about the Steam Controller I came across something I haven't heard before. Apparently someone is making a portable SteamOS console, called the Smash Zero! I didn't find an official thread on it.
http://hexus.net/tech/news/systems/85415-smach-zero-portable-steam-machine-pre-order-date-price/
Is this legit? I hope so!
The price is $299, here are the specs
AMD embedded G-Series SoC 'Steppe Eagle' with Jaguar-based CPU and GCN-based Radeon graphics
4GB RAM
32GB internal memory plus SD Card Slot, USB OTG
5-inch Touch screen with 720p resolution
Configurable tactile gamepads
HDMI video output
Wi-Fi, Bluetooth connectivity
4G mobile network connectivity (PRO model only)
SteamOS
http://hexus.net/tech/news/systems/85415-smach-zero-portable-steam-machine-pre-order-date-price/
Is this legit? I hope so!
The price is $299, here are the specs
AMD embedded G-Series SoC 'Steppe Eagle' with Jaguar-based CPU and GCN-based Radeon graphics
4GB RAM
32GB internal memory plus SD Card Slot, USB OTG
5-inch Touch screen with 720p resolution
Configurable tactile gamepads
HDMI video output
Wi-Fi, Bluetooth connectivity
4G mobile network connectivity (PRO model only)
SteamOS
ashecitism
Member
I made a thread about it earlier this week: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1093248
not sure if it's legit
No, they're just probably busy doing other stuff lol or just not in the mood to answer everything. Supernorn said he hasn't messed with it much yet.
not sure if it's legit
No, they're just probably busy doing other stuff lol or just not in the mood to answer everything. Supernorn said he hasn't messed with it much yet.
alexandros
Banned
Cool, thanks! I hope it is, such a device would be fantastic for the tons of indie and older games I have in my Steam library. The first one that gets such a machine right will get my money too.
ashecitism
Member
says the advance settings are more sliders
wonder if it's this
WonderCheese
Banned
I just recently built a gaming pc. Because of space issues, my only real option has been to play on my TV, which means mouse and keyboard are a hassle.
I'm really looking forward to playing some classic CRPGs as well as some of the ones from the last couple years. I'm talking about things like
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 1 and 2
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines
Shadowrun Returns and it's expansions
Pillars of Eternity
etc...
Do you guys think that the Steam Controller is going to be a good solution for finally playing these games?
I'm really looking forward to playing some classic CRPGs as well as some of the ones from the last couple years. I'm talking about things like
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 1 and 2
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines
Shadowrun Returns and it's expansions
Pillars of Eternity
etc...
Do you guys think that the Steam Controller is going to be a good solution for finally playing these games?
CrunchyFrog
Member
I'd imagine RTWP games like PS:T and PoT will be a little awkward with having to fumble about a real-time ui with a lot of tactical party management simulataneously, however it can be mitigated through liberal use of the pause button and quick bar mapping. Rest of those should play relatively well
ashecitism
Member
The UI of those games on TV might be a bigger issue than controlling them with the controller.
WonderCheese
Banned
Well, I guess I'll just sit as close as I have to, then, because I really want to play those games. Thanks everyone.
SecondVariety
Member
Oh my, this is going to be god-tier with OlliOlli. Personally, I'm hanging to play it with Assault Android Cactus (the twin-stick MP game shown in the controller teaser).
Crayon
Member
Nice find. If it's not bunk I'll make a thread. Off to google.
Well there is some good news there. The video didn't have native support, but rather just something Valve came up with. Now though, the developers have the controller and things seem to be going well:
Sanatana Mishra ‏@SanatanaMishra 13h13 hours ago
Ok just set up an awesome mapping for Cactus that makes it really fun on the steam controllerLove how configurable this thing is!
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
How do the custom mappings work for non Steam games? Does it save a profile for the application that persists every time you launch it? Or does this only work well in a Steam overlay mode? Systemwide seamless stuff like that would be amazing.
It persists but you have to lauch it through Steam everytime.
I assume you only need steam to change the mappings.
My understanding is that it overwrites the firmware of the controller which is why krejlooc is able to use the steam controller while playing on a physical Dreamcast. I don't think steam was released on the dreamcast :b
He said it worked on the Dreamcast and Windows 98 using the dafault settings, not custom mappings.
Apparently everytime you plug it, the firmware goes back to the default settings until you run a game/application using a custom mapping.
Now that I read it again, there's one thing that is not clear. I don't know whether we have to lauch the game/application through Steam or only have to have Steam running.
I've had this thought for a long time, such a wonderful game but also well suited for a more gestural control system or making use of trackballs
ashecitism
Member
Immediatly under that post I said I already made a thread and posted a link, yet you made one regardless...
Melon Husk
Member
Let me get this straight, old adventure games' (like TLJ) compatibility is eezy-breezy with the SteamRoller?
This changes everything.
This changes everything.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
This would be good to know, since I'm getting used to GOG Galaxy, and it would be a bummer to have to load everything I wanna use this with as a Steam non-official game.